| IVOD_ID |
16740 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16740 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第15次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第15次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-10T08:30:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-10T17:11:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:40:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609e7ef63a72d517307313f24779fd214cf8b19dddded0b194f92c8d1cadd045adc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第15次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院民進黨黨團，針對第11屆第3會期第13次會議報告事項第374案院會所作將委員吳宗憲等17人、委員賴士葆等28人、委員楊瓊瓔等26人分別擬具「人工智慧基本法草案」及台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「人工智慧發展及管理條例草案」等4案，均改交教育及文化、交通兩委員會審查之決定，提出復議。是否有當？請公決案9案。二、6月6日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、6月10日下午5時至6時為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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發言會我們現在繼續開會進行討論事項第三案軍人待遇條例第二條第五條及第六條條文修正草案本院國民黨團提案經第三會及第四次會議決定禁服二讀並由國民黨團負責召集協商另外林倩琦委員等葉元之委員等廖偉祥委員等分別提案經第三會期第五次 |
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第十三次會議決定禁服二讀與相關提案並按協商翁曉琳委員等羅廷維委員等分別提案經第三會及第十二次會議決定自委員會抽出禁服二讀與相關提案並按協商委員會本案現已完成協商請宣讀協商結論 |
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立法院黨團協商結論時間114年6月6日星期五上午11時地點一場主席辦公室協商主題軍人待遇條例第二條第五條及第六條條文修正草案協商結論一第二條及第六條均維持現行條文現行法條文不予修正二 |
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本案願會進行處理時廣泛討論由臺灣民眾黨黨團推派一人民進黨黨團推派十人國民黨黨團推派十人輪流交叉發言每人發言時間為三分鐘逐條討論時各黨團均不發言並依各黨團版本提出先後進行表決及處理主持人韓國瑜 寫樣代表黃國昌 張綺楷 陳昭芝 傅坤祺王紅維 羅志強 柯建銘 吳思瑤 陳培宇宣讀完畢 |
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請問院會對以上協商結論有無異議?沒有異議,我們本案依後續協商結論進行處理。現在我們進行廣泛討論,請各黨團推派代表發言。首先,我們請王定宇委員發言時間三分鐘,接下來請徐巧欣委員準備。 |
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各位同仁我們的認同國軍弟兄二十四小時保家衛國待遇應該合理適度的調升我們也了解為了提高流營率以及新招募的成效待遇提高確實是方法之一 |
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1936.001 |
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1942.155 |
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那除了待遇以外 訓練跟裝備也是流營相當重要的因素 |
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1943.12 |
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1971.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
我個人長期主張國防不應該拿來做政黨之間競爭的因素因為國防不分黨派國軍保護的對象更是不分黨派首先就待遇來講我們最近在2025年4月1號由顧立雄部長在去年國防委員會承諾要提出調整國軍待遇方案而待遇方案已經在4月1號實施 |
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1972.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
2000.258 |
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其中最多在整體薪資方面可以增加到一萬兩千元以個別的單兵或者軍事官來說4月1號以後原來志願役的二兵起薪從三萬六變成四萬一若在戰鬥兵種戰鬥家籍加上去剛任職的二兵可以領五萬三千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
2001.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
2020.093 |
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哨位從原來的五萬兩千元調高到五萬七千元起薪加上戰鬥加給一個出任官的哨位可以領到六萬九千元這待遇高嗎我不認為但是待遇合不合理我們如果看歷年調整的比例 |
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2020.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
2038.893 |
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民進黨執政的政府是最照顧國軍的政府以整體軍公教調薪來講蔡英文政府分別調整三次3% 4% 4%賴清德政府一就任2025年1月調整3%在軍人的各項家籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
2039.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2046.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
地域加擠2017年調整30%專業加擠像電針從原來的1100元調整到6600元後續還有戰鬥部隊加擠士官領導加擠等等所以這幾年將近10年的時間我們持續的調整國軍的待遇有人說那我們給他3萬吧我們給他2萬吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
2065.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2085.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
我們在場有很多服過役的好朋友我昨天剛從飛訊部回來裡面一個飛官說人人都希望把薪資越高越好但是薪資不應該瞞天喊價不要把國軍放在政治鬥爭的第一線更不應該當作反罷免的遮羞布 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2087.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2109.004 |
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如果有立法院单方向的调整薪资待遇恐有违宪之余把国军放到这个境地是不适合的请各位三思谢谢谢谢王定宇委员的发言接下来我们请曲巧新委员发言林毅军委员请准备 |
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2117.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2131.692 |
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謝謝院長以及所有關心軍人加急案的同仁們那我想呢人才守得住國防才守得住支持國防預算提升應該要從軍人待遇開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
2133.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2149.356 |
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國民黨支持國防預算的提升但是我們是不是應該先由我們自己台灣我們自己中華民國的軍人開始照顧起呢我們當然知道民進黨的政府在先前提出了相關的加薪案 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2150.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2164.279 |
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可是大家扪心自問,這樣子的加擠是夠的嗎?這樣子的加薪幅度是合理的嗎?有非常多的志願意的軍人,都在等待今天的條例能夠通過。 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
2165.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2186.05 |
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因為志願役的家籍是唯一一條不論關節都是原本一萬元的所以當他統加到三萬元也就是多兩萬元的時候大家都沒有差別待遇大家都心服口服也不會造成軍中的困擾或是相關的鬥爭好 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2187.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2215.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
那所以呢我们看到的是国际趋势日益紧张我们的军人的工作有变得更加的繁复演训也不断的攀升而且面临招募困难待遇落后人才流失等等的问题这个修法真的不能再拖当时EWE的过去薪资从6000元提到2万多块钱那我们要问志愿意呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2215.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2228.298 |
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既然EWE提高了2万左右那志愿意一旦加入了志愿意的加给是不是也应该提高2万这是一个非常合理的计算 |
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2229.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2247.261 |
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所以我要强调的事情是志愿一家子提高两万元合情合理而且他占整体国防预算的比例并没有那么的高我们可以花大钱买武器为什么我们不能花钱在我们的国军的薪资的身上 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2247.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2268.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
如果只是這樣的提升GDP到3% 不免會讓我們非常多的國軍韓星會思考到為什麼我們的國家只顧著買武器卻沒有對國軍人才流用招募以及現役的軍人提出更好的薪資水平跟待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2269.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2296.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
所以我想這樣子的法案與所謂的大罷免根本無關因為照顧軍人提升國防預算以及加強中華民國的軍力這是每一個中華民的國民都應該要守的義務跟是我們立法院的責任所以我們會今天要通過這樣子的條例並沒有跟所謂大罷免有任何關係但我要在這裡強調 |
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2297.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2322.714 |
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大鱷爆熱成功 台灣民主一場空好 謝謝許巧欣委員發言接下來我們請林益君委員發言沈伯陽委員請準備拜託拜託尊重發言委員的權益謝謝 麻煩請林益君委員請 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2329.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2348.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
院長 各位同仁針對近年來國軍資源役人力缺額尚未完全的貼補人數逐漸的降低資源役人員短缺問題非常的嚴重加上有眾多戰鬥部隊邊線比不及八成 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2349.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2367.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
軍恐不利新式武器的裝備籌貨後專業操作人員之培訓與長留久用此外我們也發現國軍的邊線比更是每況愈下未能達到理想的水準根據統計國軍的邊線比從2020年開始逐年的下降從88.57一路降到2024年的78.6 |
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2377.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2387.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
造成實際服役人員的不足任務輪替的困難少數人員更是超時服勤導致軍人過度的疲勞與戰備的鬆弛讓單位無法完成整個編組進而影響作戰演練與 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2395.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2413.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
整個合作的效能顯見國軍人力不足已經嚴重的導致官兵的負擔過重更是影響整個戰備運作與戰力的維持急需提高軍職的待遇以吸引留任的優秀人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2414.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2421.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
當前台灣的軍隊的戰力漏洞已經達到非常的危機的一個程度第一線的實戰的部隊嚴重缺人國軍的後備的動員系統整個鬆散然而隨著中國對台的軍事 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2429.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2439.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
威脅加劇兩岸情勢日益嚴峻台灣一旦無可用之兵該如何保衛國土所以我們台灣民眾黨甄賜本次的軍人待遇條例第五條希望從源頭立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2447.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2469.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
提出了軍人待遇條例的第五條將自願役從基層的軍官士官到將官的家籍全部法制化我們針對自願役家籍對自願投入軍旅者將嫁官每月新台幣一萬三千元上校及中校每月一萬八千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2471.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2480.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
少校級以下每月兩萬五千元的加給希望透過提高各類的加給與薪資來增強國軍的部隊尤其是戰鬥部隊人員的穩定性但為了堅固的法制化台灣民眾黨另外提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2488.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2509.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
提出附帶決議要求國防部將過去依照軍人待遇條例第五條的勤務加緊內屬於自願意加緊性質的加緊於本次修正實施後廢除以避免重複的給予軍人為人民犧牲民眾做軍人後盾謝謝謝謝林益君委員發言接下來我們請沈伯陽委員發言王宏威委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2525.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2547.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
這個軍人待遇這個部分其實說真的我知道現在這一個國民黨的委員在面臨大罷免一定會覺得坐在這邊還不如回選區但我要告訴大家那為什麼現在要坐在這邊為什麼我們要一直上來發言說真的這一些我現在要以下講的還有像剛剛我們的定語委員講的這些內容都應該在委員會討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2549.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2569.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
問題是委員會的討論在哪裡軍人待遇第五第六總共有上個禮拜就已經有12個版本照理說你知道委員會有12個版本的時候你好歹在協商的時候把它聚焦在比如說三個版本四個版本然後到最後來這邊稍微每一個人介紹一下自己的版本之後就交給大家投票不就得了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2570.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2592.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
但是當我們現在版本那麼多的時候,請問我們現在討論的意義到底在哪裡?我要告訴大家在委員會協商的時候,等一下我要講的發言我全部都已經講過了,但是怎樣?講完了,然後國民黨一個委員講完了,然後就直接保留,結束。所以根本就沒有一個正常的討論的空間,連協商的餘地都不存在。 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2592.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2610.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
所以我還是要嚴正的抗議這個你說沒有公聽說明就算了用這樣的一個方式通通丟進來表決這種程序過水的方式真的是沒有辦法讓人幸福那我再來講內容的部分內容有幾個問題第一個就是不要忘記立法院是不能夠做增加支出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2611.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2639.013 |
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那我們今天呢做增加預算的這一個法案你就一定要先指出你的財務規劃跟來源這是兩三百億的事情那請問財務規劃跟來源在哪裡不要跟我講超徵喔超徵是有法定的目的要使用喔所以簡單來講沒有任何的財務規劃然後就把這一個當作是預算定在法條上面這是一個錯誤的立法方式更不要講說更大的問題在哪裡當你今天把相關的一個金額直接把它定在上面的時候會產生一個什麼困擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2639.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2654.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
如果今天國家的預算不足你發不出來你直接變違法這本來都是行政院要核定的東西剛剛定員委員也已經把另年以來我們不斷的核定然後幫忙加薪都列出來4月1號也才剛加過更不要講說戰鬥加擠這個部分戰鬥的加擠總共11種 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2658.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2672.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
那為什麼就只有一種把它定在法律上面那請問戰航管的家籍呢網路站的家籍呢空勤的家籍呢這些家籍為什麼不放上來請問這一個的公平性在哪裡所以我還是必須要說 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2673.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2696.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
一方面提出這種完全不符合法制的法案連那個超時加急的定義都搞錯超時是補償金性質不是加急性質怎麼可能會定在軍人條例這種亂七八糟的立法方式說是要提升軍人的待遇結果另外一方面去砍國防的預算去砍特別的預算去廢掉我們的海巡然後這個說叫做照顧軍人 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2697.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2704.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
我相信軍人不會吃這一套我們應該回歸我們原本的核定的方式用我們談心的方式繼續來照顧軍人才對謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2720.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2739.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
好 主席各位同仁今天我們討論非常重要的為國軍加薪的法案大家都知道我們近來我國的兵源嚴重的面臨兵源不足的問題根據國防部最新的統計顯示志願役的總人數從2021年的16萬4千多人下降到2024年的15萬2千多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2747.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2771.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
現在的邊線筆其實是相當不足夠的這不是冷冰冰的數字是提醒我們中華民國的國防體系出現了問題而民進黨政府花了大筆的鈔票要去買軍備但是沒有最重要的人再多的資源 再多的武器都沒有用 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2772.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2795.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
我们刚才听到我们民进党的委员或者待会也会讲说哎呀我们不应该要这样直接帮国军加薪啊有财政上的问题啊可是跟大家报告我们为国军加薪完全符合美国要求我们的国防支出提高到GDP的3%或5% |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2797.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2820.558 |
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如果我们明明要花这么多的钱却只是要去买武器买军品却不愿意帮我们国军加薪这是什么样的心态另外我们又听到说这样的修法有违宪之语所以我们在这边要警告民进党政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2821.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2845.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
不要再把國軍加薪這樣子的福利然後又要拿來不管是搞復義也好或者去搞釋憲也好我們又聽到民進黨委員說哎呀你們在野黨都在刪國防預算啊然後現在呢又幫國軍加薪再次的跟所有社會大眾鄭重的聲明 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2847.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2853.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
國防部的預算114年的法定預算4712億比前一年增加了367.4億增加了8.46% |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2862.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2879.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
所以在今年的预算国防的预算是增加的是增加的不要再继续的造谣我们也希望透过对于军人的加薪不管是志愿意 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2879.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2905.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
义务役以及包含对于偏远特殊地区以及战斗部队的加薪能够真正的提高我们国军的士气也能够提高我们国军边线比我们也希望不要再搞什么违宪再去试线否则大恶霸若成功国军加薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2910.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
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謝謝王宏威委員發言 抱怨會林倩琪委員發表聲明對上週五的表決 以國民黨團意見一致 我們列入公報記錄接下來 請林楚英委員發言 牛許廷委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席立法院的同仁還有各位在看線上直播的朋友大家早安大家好剛剛前面兩位國民黨的委員一上來都不忘要提到罷免原因是什麼很清楚啊因為他們怕罷免為了怕罷免現在只好不斷的提出所謂的肉桶法案 |
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不斷的透過幫自己展現出假象就是好像自己很照顧人民很照顧現在的軍公教但事實是什麼就是為了掩飾過去這一陣子以來他們在立法院亂砍預算亂煽動預算所造成的因果現在怕罷免了所以就趕快提法案剛剛前面民進黨的兩位委員都說了有關於國軍的福利 |
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民進黨重視所以從107年111年113年到114年到今年的4月都有軍公教的加薪所以軍人也包含在內加薪幅度來到14.7%這個都是鐵針針的數字跟案例可是對國民黨來講現在要的 |
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不是這種經過討論經過國家包括行政院財政部門相關財務的評估的試算而是用喊架式就把軍人推到第一線我要說這種就是 |
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一手說要加薪但另外一手看不到的是他們的亂動山國防預算這都是鐵錚錚的事實為什麼現在我們還要再來研會討論這個我要講上個星期五本來就已經需要來討論這個案子但是主席的一個休息整個星期五沒有討論 |
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而當時我們在準備發言的時候我們的桌上連該有的版本草案通通都沒有放上來當時民進黨的委員就像蝦子摸象一樣完全不知道這十幾個版本到底長什麼樣到底是從第二條第四條第五條還是第六條到底加薪的幅度是什麼都不知道只看到國民黨做了滿滿的板子說要幫國軍爭取三萬的加薪 |
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這個有經過試算評估嗎有經過碎事評估嗎完全沒有他們只是想要博得一個照顧軍人的假名為的是什麼只是為了怕罷免但是我要告訴大家 |
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現在沒有罷免台灣立法院的院會整個國家最高的民主殿堂就已經被占了多數的藍白委員搞得一團亂民眾為什麼要大罷免大成功就是為了挽救我們的民主不要讓民主一場空 |
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謝謝主席 |
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民進黨今年號稱最支持國防 國防預算確實有上升但是我們志願役的人數卻連續三年下滑今年志願役的人數更已經達到近七年的低點這讓我們思考這些增加的國防預算真的有花在正確的地方嗎我們的國軍有因為國防預算的上升而得到實質待遇的改善嗎 |
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我們認為要解決國防的問題就應該對症下藥用最務實的方法解決最迫切的挑戰現階段國軍面對到最嚴重的問題不是買不到武器而是找不到人國軍的招募陷入嚴重的低潮與困境 |
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根據國防部在今年一月的說法國軍人力的短缺跟招募困難的主要原因除了少子女化之外就是企業徵才的影響換句話說現行的國軍薪資待遇已經沒有辦法和民間企業互相比較軍人待遇的吸引力顯然是不足夠的 |
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因此對於提升待遇的必要性我想應該有充分的社會共識相較於購買武器設備提升軍人的待遇本來就應該更加優先也更為重要畢竟高科技的武器如果沒有專業而且訓練有素的精兵來操作又怎麼能夠發揮戰力 |
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軍人絕對沒有加薪太多的問題職業軍人犧牲自由擔負風險而且工作訓練繁重他們理應用更高的待遇來提高招募的誘因因此本黨版本軍人待遇條例第五條修正內容包含第一地域加擠公平化強調地域性而非一別與階級 |
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第二自願意加擠全面提升至三萬元軍事官待遇一併提升第三戰鬥部隊的加擠超時工作加擠法制化改善服役環境第四加擠的數額隨物價指數滾動調整國軍的待遇未來不受通膨的影響 |
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我想解決軍人待遇不足的問題能夠直接解決國軍募兵的困境我要再次強調我們必須先有優秀的軍事官兵才能建立強大的國防因此我們呼籲所有政黨攜手合作共同關注待遇問題我不樂見在戰爭風險節節上升的同時這樣子的一個有效強化國防 |
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能夠加強招募又因身具正當性的法案會有人投下反對票馬上這個法案就要進入表決表決的結果恐怕可以告訴社會大眾一件事情如果他們所謂的大罷免大成功恐怕國軍的加薪將會是一場空謝謝好謝謝牛許廷委員的發言接下來我們請陳冠廷委員發言翁曉琳委員請準備 |
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今天我們來討論的是軍人待遇條例那軍人待遇條例裡面國民黨的提案那我是強力去反對的我認為這是不負責任的一個政治操作他沒有無視於國家的這個財政的規劃 |
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那其實政府已經有具體作為不管是在志願役或者是義務役在義務役他的待遇我們過去是從6510元已經大幅提升加上政府的各項補助總計是30374元那其實明顯的優於其他徵兵的國家 |
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那就這個比例來說我們必須在考量的是一個國家的這個財政的規劃那財政的規劃更重要的是行政機關這個三權分裡面行政機關是怎麼樣去規劃這個國家如何去分配他的財源 |
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那當在野黨他提供的這樣子認為是說把這些福利增加的時候他必須也要按照預算法第91條還有財政紀律法的第5條來去把290億元的財源從哪裡來是透過加稅還是其他的這個預算來這些都必須要講清楚來說明白那我特別提到之前我們有說過什麼要普發1萬元等等 |
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這也是一樣的每一個事情我們提案的時候我們都要思考說它的這個裁員從哪裡來如果有裁員的話我們當然是來去思考說它的可行性但同時我必須再指出第二點當你指出裁員的時候你就必須要排優先順序 |
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義務業優先資源優先軍備優先還是訓練優先其實在一定的國防預算裡面我們本來就是要做出很困難但是必須要做的排序那在這個排序裡面我們也要考量到總體的金額有多少也就是說國家的預算是總體的金額 |
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在這預算裡面怎麼分配是要怎麼樣分配這一個資源這兩個都要考量進去之後我們才能夠提出這樣子的計畫但是現在我們來看起來其實沒有把290億元的財源講清楚說明白沒有說出要加稅還是要排擠其他預算排擠其他預算還不僅是國防內部的預算會不會影響到其他公務員的預算也好還是其他家籍等等我們都必須要總體考量所以我們一直都認為說在預算的編列上 |
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當然是要由行政機構來去準備而不由我們立法機構來去單純的來說我們應該這麼做因為沒有掌握到整體的分配的權利我們能夠的是審視預算我們必須要提出裁員所以我們才會有剛才提到的預算法的第91條還有財政紀律法的第5條 |
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那這財政紀律法我想也是民眾黨非常重視的可是我們也沒有聽到他們對此有什麼意見所以我還是要再強調我們都希望預算越多越好我們都希望能夠照顧越多人越好但是很遺憾的是在有限的資源裡面我們必須要做最有效的分配 謝謝好 謝謝陳冠林委員的發言接下來我們請翁曉林委員發言陳俊宇委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁大家好剛林楚英委員說改善軍人待遇的法案是肉桶法案你們有良心嗎 |
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军人保家卫国任务是何其艰辛他们肩负守护国土保卫人民的重责大任常年执勤演训抛家弃子承受巨大的压力与风险政府本来就应该提供合理的待遇照顾军事官兵不只是基本责任更是天经地义 |
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改善军人的待遇不仅是对金人无私奉献的尊重与补偿更是确保国防战力吸引人才投身军旅的一个重要的关键策略我们没有坚强的国军哪里来的国家安全没有优秀的人才再先进的武器也无法发挥战力 |
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留財育財用財就是最重要的國防投資然而民進黨政府多年來它基於意識形態處處貶低打壓軍人甚至還縮減軍人的退伍金嚴重打擊士氣傷害軍人的尊嚴如今後果已經浮現志願役軍官大量的提前退伍新進士官兵 |
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這個招募困難,部隊人力是雪上加霜,在兩岸局勢緊張,部隊擴編的情形之下,國軍人力是捉襟見肘,整體的邊線比到現在還不到八成,機程戰鬥部隊甚至低於七成,嚴重的影響戰力。 |
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軍旅生活是高度的緊繃充滿了約束 危險勞力密集可以說是現代版的這個3K行業也就是辛苦骯髒危險的工作 |
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相较于其他国家其实台湾军人的薪资待遇是偏低的那么即使与台湾的其他专业的职业领域相比那么也不具有竞争力所以军人薪资待遇如果再不改革重塑尊严国军将面临严重的断层危机 |
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有鉴于此本党提出修正军人待遇条例第五条增列志愿意每个月要加给加几新台币三万元提升招募的诱因留住优秀的人才本席要再呼吁尊重与善待军人是一个文明国家的根本价值今天我们提高军人待遇不只是给劳苦功高的国军官兵一点实质与精神上的鼓励还给他们应有的尊严 |
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更是國防安全最關鍵的一步在此請大家支持軍人待遇條例修法那麼大罷免若成功台灣民主一場空謝謝 |
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主席 各位委員目前我們要討論的是由國民黨幾個委員所提出的軍人逮捕條例 相關的條文修正的草案我想必須要先表明一個基本的立場我們絕對是收聽國軍行動之目不然要讓他們最充分的資源也應該要讓所有的軍人可以適當合理逮捕提供最大的支持和鼓勵 |
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但是對於這個臺灣條例修法 不可以轟轟轟轟來進行欠缺就財政 憑國 就亂來調整這是我們不可以贊成的一種做法我想全臺灣的民眾都可以認同國軍是修復我們國家安全最堅強的標準 |
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他們不分每日 不論豐厚 時時刻刻都堅守在他們的衛地上守護著我們所有家人的安全尤其民隊 中國不斷地揮霍地帶來軍事侵略的行為越來越變幻我們的國軍不論在勤務上 健庇的任務上都打起非常重的責任所以 |
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要為了運過我們國家的國防的戰略鼓勵志願役的軍人 當年可以留在軍中同時 也希望可以啟發社會更多的青年可以有這個意願來導進到我們國軍的行列從今年的四月初開始政府實施了國軍加薪的相關的方案針對到既然使過兵 |
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條件自然會加急和建造部隊的加急,我們也都了解國防部對於後續第二波的挑釁,也已經在整個當中。新竹大陸的這個條件,應該是要建立在一套公平、專業的制度之中,不可以為了要適中的情形,所忽略到我們財政運動的問題。 |
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在面對國防議題時,條約應該放下對立以國家的利益為優先,不是為了政體可能在那裡為大便 |
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當兩個人在招牌的時候對手已經大跑幾關牆我們還在敲棍子 敲酒桃這種不一定的武器 批評的狀況之下是完全不公平在這 我要呼籲在野黨你如果真的收聽我們的國軍就硬要專略支持國防儀式不可以誤會共和國防衛的論證 |
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我們自己的口袋要洗碗我們自己要有自己的武器才能讓政策的前面無憂無憂這才是要照顧我們國軍最好的良情 |
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好 謝謝主席 各位委員我想今年國防預算總額是6470億大約佔了我們的GDP2.45%那如果以目標GDP3%為例的話換算下來國防總預算大約可以增加到8040億換句話說從6470億到8040億大約還有1600億的成長空間 |
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我們要問的是說這1600億增加的空間要全部拿去買武器全部拿去買戰車 戰機 飛彈嗎我們買了這麼多的武器但如果沒有人能夠來操作那請問我們買這麼多國防武器的意義在哪裡我們從立法院運送中心開始看出來2020年的時候國軍的邊線比還有88.57到了2024年 |
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國軍的邊線比降了10%只剩下78.6%換句話說國軍的流失人數年年在上升那國防部也發現這問題他提出的解決方案確實就是放寬條件跟提升待遇我們今天在這邊討論的就是在提升待遇這件事情上既然大家有共識要提升待遇那問題在怎麼提升待遇我想經費錢的問題是最主要的問題 |
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大家有當過病人都知道部隊的軍旅生活是苦悶自由被限制而且一個口令一個動作充滿限制的生活要怎麼樣提升他的待遇就是在確實的薪資待遇上提升我想對於基層的國軍弟兄他們才有確實的這個幫助 |
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我們提到的這個加擠是軍人待遇中碩果僅存齊頭式平等的加擠如果分配所得不公很現實的不只是基層不滿還會有高階低薪的荒謬現象也會引發各軍種各單位間的比較跟衝突所以我們主張要有一個齊頭式的加擠才能夠真正的穩住部隊士氣 |
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建立公平的共識另外在地域加解的部分在原來的版本裡面在布版裡面還提到說是要依據這個階級來分但是我們知道地域加解是因為他可能有 |
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比較遠可以限制到所以我們要提出相關的家籍讓大家願意到比較偏遠的地方到比較危險的地方去來當兵所以在地獄家庭部分我們也主張應該是以地獄的遠近來區分而不是以將官士兵的階級來區分 |
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剛剛有委員提到說幫國軍加薪是肉同法案我們這邊問一次幫國軍加薪是肉同法案嗎幫國軍加薪我想應該是朝野共識所以我們這一次提供的軍人加薪法案希望朝野都能夠支持大惡霸若成功我想國軍加薪就會是一場空謝謝好 謝謝黃建豪委員發言接下來王逸川委員發言徐議政委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席罷免不適任的立委啊 台灣才會成功啦你想把韓國瑜罷免掉 整個高雄都紅起來啦這就是重點啦今天談這一個軍人的待遇啊各位記得 當時在審國防預算的時候啊國民黨的立委怎麼羞辱潛艦國造的預算 |
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怎麼要求刪除的扶起來扶起來扶起來才有錢這個畫面多羞辱國軍啊這個畫面多羞辱正在準備我們潛艦國造的國軍啊現在國民黨在去年在今年刪除了國防部的預算刪除了無人機的預算刪除了潛艦國造的預算 |
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凍結軍方人事相關的器材的維修的費用,水電的費用,一些夾木灰都給人凍結,不然就刪除,你給他加薪水,不可以給他好的工作環境,一直抬,抬到美國人, |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
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我們的江啟臣 跟王定宇 他們去美國的時候 美國人當兵問江啟臣什麼意思 什麼意思 三國防預算 什麼意思三國防預算 三了那麼多 現在嚇到 氣喉麻 嚇到現在回來台灣說 啊沒有這樣啦 |
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加軍人的薪水啦,加軍營加薪水啦,加大廳的話就說,共保一公里四位,就已經發布實施,軍人的薪水要加。 |
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你們動作現在把這些軍人當作肉票把這些軍人割心碎 割心碎 割心碎你就不會被罵了不要忘記整個源頭是你們自己抬國防預算給人家刪除國防預算凍結國防預算我們國軍沒有士氣啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
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阿兵哥人要來做兵 發言說薪水有提高沒對阿 環境變壞阿 國家沒重視國防預算阿國家沒重視做兵的環境阿 這樣他為什麼要來做兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
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為什麼要來做兵 做兵的環境不好連做兵優秀的阿兵哥 優秀的公關 要出國去交流你也要抵抗 你也要抵抗 這樣有道理嗎你現在跟我說要跟人家加薪水 看一天要加三萬 加幾萬今天要加加的 還要賣你 還要賣你 還要加三萬後年還要加三萬 看這樣有票喔 大罷免 大成功啊 |
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主席各位同仁大家好在當前國際與兩岸局勢的日趨嚴峻的情勢之下 |
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賴清德總統已於114年的國安高層會議明確的指示我國的國防預算應提高至國內生產盲額的3%這不僅是對周邊安全環境的因應更是為了展現我國堅定自我防衛的決心與實力我國生育率持續下滑去年為全球最低 |
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少子化的趨勢使年輕人口逐年遞減年代的衝擊國軍的兵源國軍的兵力的邊線比自109年的88.6%大幅下降至113年的78.6%短短五年間減幅達10%遠低於85%的作戰合理水準再多先進的武器系統再高昂的軍事預算若缺乏穩定 |
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專業堅強的官兵人才都難以發揮實質的戰力這是一個危機也是我們必須要正式的國安警訊國軍官兵長期面對高強度高風險高責任的勤務與演訓任務不但無法適用勞基法保障的每日8小時的工作時限 |
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也難以獲得與其付出相稱的經濟報酬當我們要求軍人遭之即來來之能戰 戰之必勝我們要檢討的是否能夠給予國軍應有的薪資保障與尊嚴 |
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全面提升志願與官兵薪資的待遇是攸關國家安全與全民未來的關鍵修法不僅可以強化國防人力體系還能為建構堅實的國防實力穩固堅定的根基今天本席提出一項明確的修法主張軍人執以來的 |
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调升自愿意官兵的基本本凤至少要高于最低工资法所定的标准军人职业的稳定与待遇的提升能够为家庭带来安全感能够为社会带来稳定的力量当年青年愿意选择军职作为终身之业不但能够捍卫国家的安全也能带动相关产业发展创造经济活力提升国军待遇不单是对单一族群的改善更是对国家整体治理能力的展现国防是全民的事 |
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提升志愿官兵薪资待遇是对专业军事人力的基本肯定提高待遇有助于提升招募的效率以留营的意愿官兵待遇的提升不但是对军人职业的尊重与保障更是一项具有长远效益的国安投资 |
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及全國一致共同守護家園的具體表現我們要求軍人為國犧牲卻在待遇與制度上吝嗇 斤斤計較我們不能期待他們在危難時挺身而出卻在平日忽視他們的權益與需求讓我們共同支持這項修法讓我們的行動撐起國軍守護台灣大惡罷若大成功台灣民主一場空 |
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謝謝主席我們在場所有的立法院的同仁媒體朋友 |
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大罷免啊 真的是一面照妖鏡啊我們可以看到 國民黨今天好多的朋友一直在講大罷免如果成功 民主就會成功 會嗎 不會看看我們主席台上 我們韓國瑜院長高雄市長被罷免掉以後 創造他人生的高峰沒有那一場大罷免 韓國瑜怎麼會當立法院院長 |
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大罷免會創造各位藍軍朋友你們事業的另外一個高峰時間到了罷免的時機到了開始在演戲了在民主進步黨蔡英文總統執政到我們賴總統對國軍弟兄的照顧你們很清楚我們大家一起聯手 |
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我們調薪的這四次將近這15%這是最扎實的對國軍弟兄兄弟的一個照顧不管是第一家局戰鬥部隊的勤務家級或志願役人員的留營的一個慰問金或各類訓練的津貼跟獎勵措施這一些民主進步黨在做而且也做到了但是我們反觀國民黨的朋友 |
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4619.769 |
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從上台發言到現在就講說今天國防預算增加了是啊為了國家安全我們國防預算當然我們會增加但是也不要忘記啦對國防預算這一次最下重手去把它刪掉去把它凍結的最狠的是誰這是國民黨的朋友啊你說今天國防預算你去把它砍掉刪掉這84億刪掉的是哪一些裝備交易訓練不要忘記啦 |
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這些經費啊都是支持國軍日常戰備跟演訓的是支持士官兵的一個訓練基地營運的基本的一個開銷啊整體的官方預算裡面凍結案裡面到這304案裡面金額高達這899億啊不會被下重手砍得最多的就是我們在野黨國民黨的朋友對我們官方預算去下重手你們這個叫做支持國軍這個叫做打擊士氣 |
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結果呢 剩下不到兩個月的時間這場大罷免來了不要擔心啦大罷免如果成功會創造藍軍這些我們的兄弟你們事業的第二高峰啊冤有頭債有主啊敢在立法院裡面這樣亂搞啊民意就是會做反撲我們再來想想看 |
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在行政院這次所提出的預算裡面國土安全任性的預算裡面裡面也揚言要再砍掉1500億啊民進黨做的是實質的一個政策在海黨朋友你們做的是短線 |
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好 謝謝莊瑞雄委員的發言接下來我們請黃健斌委員發言 鍾佳斌委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁現場的媒體朋友大家早安國軍是守護中華民國守護台澎金馬這塊土地的第一線英雄無論是平時或者是戰時都擔負著保家衛國的責任但政府對這些英雄們的照顧卻常常只是嘴巴說說尤其是在待遇提升部分跟不上物價通膨飆漲造成從軍的意願越來越低同時也難以提升國軍的榮譽感 |
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因此國民黨立委們的提案就是希望能夠提高義務役以及志願役的待遇讓國家能夠妥善照顧保家衛國的英雄今天將處理的法案除了讓一年期義務役薪資比照現行最低工資今天是28,590元讓義務役從軍的時候也能夠保障他的基本生活需求 |
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另外還有現在討論的軍人待遇條例第五條條文修正目標就是要增加志願役加級種類及額度以反映部隊勤務與演訓頻度之大幅增加在修法通過後志願役加薪幅度將大幅提升藉此提升招募國軍的誘因並留住優秀的人才 |
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國軍主動離開人數暴增以及青年從軍怨不高是台灣目前面臨嚴峻的現實壓力更是嚴重的國安危機解決的關鍵就是要實質的照顧國軍因此國民黨團正式提出修法就是要實質強化國軍量能希望不分黨派都應該共同支持為國軍招募人才留下人才這才是真正的挺台灣挺國軍 |
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大罷免若成功國軍加薪一場空謝謝 |
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也來支持我們現役辛苦的軍人很好但是呢做要做全套不要說一套做一套調整現役軍人的待遇行政院早就在做了而且無帶立法的規定行政院就已經在推動國防部就已經在執行了就像前不久我們的總統宣告從即日起 |
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| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
國航在辦理國際線本國軍人登機的時候給予優先的待遇這個需要立法去通過嗎不需要軍人 現役軍人待遇的提升本來就是我們全民的共識就是國防部的職責所在過去藍白一再反對的年金改革重點只有一個對於過去 |
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曾经服役现在的退职军人要予以他们的待遇调得比过去的其他的公教劳农还高这其中还不乏到对岸去宣誓效忠对方的退降这样的乱象在大半年的眼前开始调整了 |
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藍白開始應該說是藍而已因為白呢民眾黨沒有要罷免所以民眾黨現在跟國民黨開始命運不同做法不同提案也不同因此我們看到這樣的一個多此一舉的提案 |
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把行政院國防部早就在做現役軍人待遇提升的拿來加入立法好像攬為自己的功勞說實在的有點可笑但是用心我們還是對於它的效果要予以肯定但是我們還是要強調的我們在前不久行政院提出的特別預算特別條例要強化我們國家的韌性 |
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當中就有提高我們相關的國防預算包括海委會強化我們海洋防衛能力的預算結果藍白還是跟過去一樣嘴巴說 |
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肯定我們的現役軍人但是下手三的黨的卻是強化國防的預算我們還是希望藍白你們可以條例法案不同但是支持台灣國家安全的用意要跟我們全民一樣 |
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不要嘴巴說一套立法做一套然後在審預算的時候又來大善一套總之我們從現在世界國際的情勢台灣的國家安全不能只依賴職業軍人來防護全民都要來支持我們希望藍白不要揚棄過去的黨派成見跟民主進步黨一樣全力加入防衛台灣的立場加油 |
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謝謝鍾嘉斌委員的發言接下來我們請李燕秀委員發言羅美玲委員請準備 |
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謝謝我再次跟大家報告國民黨絕對支持所有國家需要的相關的一些武器設備在國防上特別是下個會期或這個會期如果有相關的國防預算的特別條例國民黨一定知道是我們國家需要的我們一定全力支持 |
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好今天回到軍人條例的部分我們徹底的檢討志願役軍人的薪資結構要從三個面向去做思考第一個是從國家整體的戰略思維第二個是從社會的韌性強化還有包括少子化的人才競爭從這三個角度去做思考為義務軍人加薪也為我們中華民國國家安全的防衛加油 |
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从国家整理战略思维角度来说我们认为现在民进党执政之后是重军事新政治事实上军事跟政治都是同样的重要在两岸关系的方面对于台海的情势是越来越紧张经济学人也说台湾是全世界最危险的地方CNN也评论台湾没有最危险只有更危险 |
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特別是我們新式的戰機新式的戰艦還有包括新式的陸戰武器的引進我們必須爭取更優質的人才投入在我們軍中才能讓我們武器發揮最大的功效包括強化我們的社會韌性美國其實常常在講 |
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如何去強化我們國防的人才跟軍事其實都是現在的重中之重因為目前二兵的薪資來說是五萬七千塊哨位是七萬塊比照二十多歲剛畢業人來說面對薪資更高的高科技AI的產業我們如何 |
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留才在國防部當中是我們現在的重中之重所以薪資的調整相對是重要的義務軍人職業的自由度風險包括可以從事軍職的期間其實非常的短暫我們如何讓我們軍中的人才具有更多的吸引力留住他們是關鍵啥時候問題讓我們義務役的招募非常困難 |
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我們目前過去1990我們還有38萬人口出生但是不要忘記我們現在才只剩下13萬人而且還在持續的減少當中近幾年很多人才都已經流到AI產業跟彈性的外送產業所以為一物一家心不僅是充實我們國防力量最需要的最需要的軟體的人才的競爭力更是後值我們未來社會韌性民防的工作所以我們再一次的強調 |
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我們希望對民進黨政府來說台灣的經濟是過去20年來最好如何其實這些都是靠軍人的犧牲奉獻才讓我們台灣有安全環境跟發展經濟發展科技所以再怎麼辛苦我們也不能苦了犧牲個人自由換取所有台灣人民2300萬自由的國軍手足我們應該給國軍更好的待遇跟保障以上 |
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好 谢谢李燕秀委员的发言接下来我们请罗美龄委员发言廖伟祥委员请准备 |
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主席 各位同仁 大家早安 國軍是國家安全的基石提升軍人的待遇 改善服役的環境 更是全民的共識尤其在當前區域情勢緊張 中共威脅升高的情況之下強化自願意官兵招募跟留用的誘因不僅僅是國軍建軍備戰的關鍵 更攸關全民的安全 |
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因此民進黨政府並未忽視軍人的待遇問題而是採取務實而且負責的方式陸續推動改革蔡英文總統上任之後軍人的待遇已經逐步的調升賴清德總統上任之後更是要求國防部調整相關的待遇優先照顧第一線戰鬥部隊與基層官兵提出 |
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具體的加擠調整方案包括了這個志願役的加擠戰鬥部隊的加擠戰航管的這個加擠還有電偵加擠網路戰加擠事實上國防部從今年的4月1號開始就剛剛調整過志願役士兵的待遇最高可以增加一萬二目的就是強化招募的誘因提升戰力的穩定性並兼顧不同單位 |
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这个植物的这个性质差异呢这些方案都是评估过国家财政状况之后呢才提出的那行政院呢本来具有条新的制度每一年呢会依照这个经济成长率 |
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物價變動針對軍工教員工呢整體待遇進行檢討跟調整那軍人呢也在這這種調整架構之下呢穩定的收益那民進黨政府照顧一南重視國防的這個實際作為 |
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在考量國家整體支出平衡與政策穩定之下我們對基層的義務義難志願役士官兵的照顧從未懈怠而且是用具體政策回應官兵與義難需求的同時也會持續透過合理規劃與制度的調整穩健的推動 |
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国防人力政策的这个改革那我们可是呢反观国民党嘴巴说要支持国防支持国安可是呢又和民众党呢联手阻挡国安法437次提案删除国防预算还有这个1500亿的国土安全预算那这种两面手法明显不是有心要照顾官兵支持国防国安而是为了怕罢免呢 |
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所做的這個政策的買票所以面對如此傲慢的這個在野黨我們呼籲民眾一起來大罷免大成功 |
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主席各位同仁大家早安喔今天呢懇請大家支持軍人待遇條例第五條修正草案將志願役加給由一萬元提升至三萬元那這不只是待遇調整它更是攸關我們國家發展的關鍵決定國防不是口號照顧國軍要用行動來說話 |
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第一,國軍人力嚴重流失,國安受威脅,沒有穩定的軍心拿來堅實的國防。近五年,志願役人力大量流失,邊線比降至78%,已低於理想標準。弱子重軍夠,忽略人才。武器再多,沒有人才,只是昂貴的裝飾品。 |
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待遇提升是流財關鍵現行加給僅一萬元對比民間薪資缺乏吸引力那導致招募困難提升至三萬元能讓官兵感受到政府支持穩定軍心吸引優秀青年投入軍旅強化戰力穩定所以待遇提升不只是發薪水更是給官兵一份尊嚴我們要打破國軍不是廉價勞工而是國家最堅強的盾牌 |
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谢谢大家 |
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情勢嚴峻國軍是國安基石台海緊張情勢未解國軍肩負保家衛國的責任提升待遇不只是短期解決缺元更是長期的人才投資讓國軍成為年輕人嚮往的職涯選擇這筆佳績不僅是薪水更是對官兵犧牲奉獻的肯定跟回饋所以讓年輕人願意穿上軍服國家才有希望 |
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再來財政可行效益明確加急調升每年增資約384億元與國防預算相較屬於可負擔的範圍且有助於解決人力短缺減少訓練成本提升整體效益更重要的是正能有效解決招募問題減少訓練新兵的重複成本提升整體國防效益我們投資國軍的每一分錢都是投資台灣的安全與未來 |
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再來以行動支持國軍照顧國軍不能停留的口號今天就是展現行動的時刻懇請大家一同支持本案讓軍官可以安心服役守護我們共同的家園比起整天在喊大罷免大成功這才是攸關國家安全並且也是尊重軍人的具體作為 |
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請讓國家恢復正常不要繼續大罷免大發瘋所以待會表決希望不要有人投反對票來阻止增加國軍的待遇因為若民進黨還是執意反對不就代表大罷免若成功國軍加薪一場空謝謝謝謝廖偉祥委員的發言接下來我們請吳世耀委員發言羅廷惠委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁請全體的國人朋友看清楚藍白當家的立法院一手砍國防預算一手要為軍人加薪國民黨已經要狠話要在4100億的特別預算當中大砍 |
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1500億的國土安全預算但是今天國民黨卻又抗國家支凱大筆一揮增加國庫支出386億要為國軍來加薪 |
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我想社會看得很清楚國民黨上上下下搶救罷免總動員加薪放假普發現金樣樣都來今天輪到軍人的族群都是國民黨要特地的討好來挽救自己的政治生命 |
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照顧軍人是政府的責任不論誰執政增進軍人的福祉都是政策的方向但是沒有比較沒有傷害照顧軍人民進黨做更好做更多前幾天有一個新的措施7月起現役軍人從國內的機場搭乘6家國籍航空的國際線班機登機時憑軍人證件就可以享有優先登機的禮遇 |
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這是小事,但是軍愛民、民進黨執政來關心軍人的權益,連小細節我們都用心。而強化國軍的招募、攬財、流財,也是政策的現在進行式。 |
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4月1號已經上路每年為軍人加薪的經費也高達一年235億的新增不只如此為軍公教一體的調薪馬英九任內只調一次只調3%民進黨執政調了4次調幅是14.7足足是馬英九的5倍國民黨做不到的民進黨做到了 |
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剛剛李燕秀委員說國民黨絕對支持國防預算支持國軍提升設備那麼請說到做到逝者已已來者有可追橫在眼前你們就罷免最後的機會就是來支持1500億的 |
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國土安全防衛任性的預算設備精良了國軍才能壯大國軍才能安心也能安全國民黨起義來歸不要再重蹈覆轍而再次呼籲立法院不要違憲上癮這一個修法又是踩到違憲的紅線立法院的委員請三思 |
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5800.912 |
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大罷免大成功 民主不會一場空 |
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今天就是抗共產主義最好的時機為國軍加薪就是增加兵力買武器總要有人力來操作沒有誘因 擴兵員就是困難台灣的兵力結構嚴重的不足國軍的邊線比從2020年的88%到現在的邊線比只有78%如何提升邊線比 |
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攬財 流財 才是政府最應該重視的課題呀現在民間企業都在搶人才 國軍呢大家知道台灣軍人的待遇跟其他國家來比較差了多少嗎我們就以台灣的下市為例 薪資差新加坡的下市8000 |
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台灣的士官長薪資差新加坡的士官長2.2萬 |
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5907.642 |
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台灣的少校薪資比南韓少校差了1.4萬將軍級的軍官我們就不比了光比這些基層部隊的官士兵就夠了台灣的現役軍人對比鄰近國家待遇偏低有人說每一個國家所面臨的物價不一樣但是我要講的是台灣現在面對的戰爭風險也跟其他國家不一樣 |
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台灣更應該如履薄冰更應該拿出誘因來留人許多的優秀國軍才因此選擇了離開軍旅因為他看到了在國軍上他給予的待遇沒有辦法讓他們能夠留下來 |
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5929.056 |
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5958.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
自國軍的人才流失總不能老是愛國心還是要他們做功德嗎弟兄姊妹也需要能夠來養家活口吧國軍護國讓解放軍不敢武力犯台國軍的眷屬希望政府可以找回軍人的尊嚴國軍的弟兄姊妹希望政府多照顧國軍還有他們的家庭 |
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5959.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
5977.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
讓軍人保衛國家的時候可以安心安家針對軍人待遇條例第五條條文修正分別從地域加級新增級分級不得已 異別階級標準之限制新增自願役的加級 |
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5978.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
5995.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
將現有的家籍數額翻倍增設超時家籍 未休假日轉換為補償金增加調整機制 保障軍人的實質收入不受影響大惡霸若成功 國軍家心亦慘空 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
5997.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
6015.574 |
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好 謝謝羅廷偉委員的發言報言會我們即將進行處理現在在處理之前我們先休息十分鐘請各黨團幹部進主席休息室我們進行溝通現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
7498.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
7510.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
官員會我們現在繼續開會依照最新的黨團共識討論事項第三案至第五案本日進行處理13點30分進入討論事項第五案之表決散開討論事項三讀之後均不發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
7521.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
7549.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
討論事項第三案至第五案已經登記廣泛討論及刪讀後發言之委員未及發言者書面發言意見均補列入公報記錄討論事項第六案根據處理並不進行刪讀之後的發言委員書面發言意見補列入公報記錄程序委員會召開會議在休息之後進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
7551.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
7563.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
現在我們進行逐條討論第二條維持現行條文現在進行第五條請宣讀各黨團版本其餘條文列入公報記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
7565.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
7593.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
國民黨黨團再修正動議第五條加擠分下列七種一 職務加擠對上將主管管人員或職責繁重人加擠之二 專業加擠對宗教以下專業人員加擠之三 地域加擠對服役偏遠特殊地區或國外者加擠之不得以異別和階級為分級標準四 勤務加擠對從事危險性或技術性工作者或依其勤務特性加擠之 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
7593.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
7613.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
五 支援役加給對支援同住區旅者每月新台幣三萬元加給之六 戰鬥部隊加給對戰鬥部隊或戰鬥支援部隊加給之七 超時加給對各類休假有應休而未休者加給之前項第五款自中華民國一百十五年一月一日起施行 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
7614.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
7624.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
其餘各款佳績之給予由行政院定之第一項所列之佳績放數額與中央主計機關發布之消費者物價指數累計成長率達30%應與試圖調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
7629.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
7650.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
台灣民眾黨囊團再修正動議第五條加擠分下列七種一植物加擠對上將主管管人員或職責繁重者加擠之二專業加擠對中將以下專業人員加擠之三地域加擠對服役偏遠特殊地區或國外者加擠之不得以異別和階級為分級標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
7651.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
7666.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
四 勤務加給對從事危險性或技術系工作者或因其勤務特性加給之五 志願役加給對志願同路修理者降關每月新台幣一萬三千元上校及中校每月一萬八千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
7667.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
7684.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
受效景象每月二万五千元加几支六 战斗部队加几对战斗部队或战斗支援部队加几支七 超时加几对例价有应休而未休者加几支前项第五款自中华民国一百十五年一月一日实行 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
7684.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
7708.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
其余个款加急之机遇由行政院定之第一项所列之加急发放数额于中央主机机关发布之消费者物价指数累计成长率达30%应予适度调整宣读完毕报言后我们现在进行处理开始按铃7分钟并分发表决卡现在开始按铃 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
8131.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
8144.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
好 報告委員會請問表決卡是否都有拿到都有拿到 我們現在依序進行處理其中有任何一案通過我們就不再處理其他案 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
8145.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
8151.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
我們現在首先表決國民黨黨團在修正動議條文現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們贊成國民黨黨團在修正動議條文請按贊成反對請按反對記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
8245.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
8265.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
好好 謝謝好 謝謝好 報告表決結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
8269.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
8292.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
各位委員麻煩保持一場肅靜要報告表決結果在場出席委員109位贊成52位反對49位棄權8位各位本案表決結果可否兩方均沒有過半數 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
8294.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
8310.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
依照規定我們要重新表決重新表決時以多數為可決現在我們進行重新表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
8385.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
8401.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
抱怨會劉建國委員發表聲明對剛才的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄抱怨會現在再次報告出席表決結果在場委員出席110位贊成52位反對50位棄權8位 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
8413.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
8428.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
我們贊成者多數第五條照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過法院會第六條不予處理全案經過二讀現有國民黨團台灣民眾黨黨團體繼續進行三讀請問院會有無異議沒有異議我們請宣讀經過二讀這條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
8438.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
8456.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
第五條 家籍分下列七種一 職務家籍 對上將、主管管人員或職責繁重層家籍之二 專業家籍 對中將以下專業人員家籍之三 地域家籍 對服役偏遠、特殊地區或國外者家籍之不得以異別和階級為分級標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
8457.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
8478.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
四 勤務加擠 對從事危險性或技術性工作者 會依其勤務特性加擠支五 志願役加擠 對志願投入軍旅者 每月新台幣3萬元加擠支六 戰鬥部隊加擠 對戰鬥部隊或戰鬥支援部隊加擠支七 超時加擠 對各類休假有應休而未休者加擠支 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
8480.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
8508.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
前項第五款自中華民國一百十五年一月一日施行其餘各款加擠需給予由行政院定之第一項所列之加擠發放數額與中央主席機關發布之消費者物價指數累計成長率達百分之三十應與適度調整宣讀完畢報言會三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有無文字修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
8510.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
8530.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
沒有文字修正抱怨會現有民進黨黨團依據立法院職權行使法第十一條規定提起將全案負表決我們現在進行全案之表決贊成國民黨黨團請按贊成反對請按反對現有民進黨黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
8537.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
8555.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
贊成全案負表決 請按贊成反對 請按反對現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘更正一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
8592.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
8602.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
好 抱怨會我們現在進行全案之表決現有民進黨要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
8687.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
8688.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
三公子在外面 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
8697.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
8719.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
好 謝謝我們現在報告表決結果在場委員110位贊成60位反對50位贊成者多數全案表決通過我們現在做以下決議軍人待遇條例第五條條文修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
8724.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
8748.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
歡迎我們處理附帶決議台灣民眾黨黨團提出附帶決議共一項請議事人員宣讀附帶決議之內容台灣民眾黨黨團附帶決議要求國防部將過去依軍人待遇條例第五條之勤務加給內屬於自願意義加給性質之加給與本次修正施行後廢除以避免重複加給宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
8750.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
8776.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
請問會有意義沒有意義我們附帶決議我們就照案通過抱歉會現在我們好有意義我們要進行表決針對本項附帶決議現有民進黨黨團台灣民眾黨黨團要求記名表決記名表決時間一分鐘贊成請按贊成反對請按反對現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
8851.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
8851.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
另外賴世保委員等 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
8880.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
8904.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
翁晓琳委员等分别提案经第三会期第十二次会议决定自委员会抽出进复二读与相关提案并按协商廖伟强委员等徐宇峥委员等分别提案经第三会期第十三次第十四次会议决定进复二读与相关提案并按协商抱怨本案现已完成协商请宣读协商结论 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
8905.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
8924.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
立法院黨團協商結論時間114年6月6日星期五上午11時地點議場主席辦公室協商主題軍人待遇條例第四條及第六條條文修正查案協商結論一第四條維持現行法條文不予修正二 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
8925.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
8949.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
本案院會進行處理時廣泛討論由台灣民眾黨黨團推派一人民進黨黨團推派十人國民黨黨團推派十人輪流交叉發言免得發言時間為三分鐘逐條討論時各黨團均不發言並依各黨團版本提出先後進行表決及處理主持人韓國瑜行政代表黃國昌、張祺凱、陳昭芝、傅坤祺、王紅薇 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
8951.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
8966.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
羅志強 柯建民 吳思耀 陳培宇宣讀完畢報議會陳超明委員 羅美玲委員發表聲明對剛才的表決陳超明委員聲明與國民黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄羅美玲委員聲明與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄請問議員會對以上協商結論有無異議 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
8976.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
8987.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
面議本案依後續協商結論進行處理現在進行廣泛討論首先請各黨團推派代表發言首先請王宏威委員發言張祺凱委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
9020.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
9043.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
對不起 王委員請好 主席各位委員軍人加薪大成功非常感謝很多委員的努力剛才我們通過了對志願役的加薪那現在我們所要討論以及要通過的是有關於軍人待遇條例的第六條 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
9044.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
9071.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
第六条主要是针对我们的义务役能够让他们把他们的薪资提高到最低工资也就是对于现有一年期的义务役的凤锦从现行最多最低月所得20320元比照最低工资法的规定不得低于现行最低工资的28590元 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
9074.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
9093.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
以現在來講的話 義務役一個月可以增加7240元我們這樣的配套是希望能夠提高激勵我們第一線國軍官兵軍役弟兄的士氣剛才 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
9096.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
9123.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
我們很多民進黨的委員一直在反對對義務役的加薪還有志願役的加薪比如說我們一手來砍國防預算跟大家報告今年度國防預算已經比去年度大幅增加而今年度在野黨所刪除的有關於列銷無人機預算這是怎麼來的呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
9124.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
9144.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
在野党砍了有关于列销无人机预算45亿元最主要是美国报价只有55亿元但是国防部竟然编列115亿元足足比美国的报价多了60亿元 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
9146.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
9163.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
請問一下身為民意代表難道不應該把關不應該刪除嗎哪有這樣美國要五毛我們給一塊如此的腐爛難道我們的立法院在野黨不該刪除預算嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
9165.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
9187.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
而我們剛才也聽到民進黨幹事長吳斯堯又說這是有違憲之語我們要提醒民進黨不要以為大罷免成功之後你們想要沒收勞工的4加1的放假在罷免成功之後你們又想沒收軍人的條薪嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
9189.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
9207.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
所以在这边再一次的警告民进党能够真正的激励劳工的士气也能够真正的激励我们的国军的士气不要心中只有斗争我们还是再说一次大恶 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
9212.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
9219.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
好 謝謝王宏威委員的發言接下來請張祺凱委員發言沈伯陽委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
9243.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
9263.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
歷史會記得今天今天的民進黨立委竟然反對為我們金人加薪民進黨欺負我們金人打擊我們金人的士氣破壞我們的國防跟國家的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
9265.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
9293.782 |
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剛剛吳斯牙特別講今天台灣民眾黨跟國民黨提的為金人加薪是違憲的意思是民進黨不只今天反對接下來你們要復議還要提釋憲嗎就像去沒收了穩幫警消人員提高他們所得替代率你們連金人加薪不只反對還要提復議還要提釋憲又要沒收嗎 |
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今天包括台灣民眾黨還有國民黨黨團跟立委一共有七個幫金人加薪的提案行政院沒提案民進黨立法委員一個提案都沒有 |
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竟然還在這反對你們什麼對得起新人啊你們口口聲聲民進黨說抗中保台可是做的根本就是抗中賣台不只沒有保台你們做的實際行為出賣台灣 |
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台灣民眾黨今天的提案非常清楚第一個對於義務役我們要求提高他的薪資到基本的工資讓他們的生活有維持一個基本的水準也表示對他們的犧牲表示的敬意在志願力方面我們前面的提高同時我們要求照顧基層所以我們精算過 |
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如果依照台灣民眾黨的版本增加的預算是187億我們是非常理性務實科學的我們去查了國防預算目前還有充裕的有372億所以財政上面沒有問題用民眾黨的版本用國民黨的版本現在財政都不是問題今天我要特別強調現在為什麼國軍現在變成招不到兵 |
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留不住人不是跟民進黨有很大關係嗎從民調看出來第一個薪資太低大概將近五成所以今天我們提案要求把薪資大幅提高另外兩個原因就是因為民進黨把兩岸搞得緊張兮兮的兩岸二一螺旋一直在往上走太危險了民進黨把人家死不掉是不是把人家死不掉是不是你們為什麼不多說一些兩岸和平的事情啊第二個 |
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請你們清查有多少民進黨高官現在在國外趕快前面回來當兵前面一起加入我們一起來 |
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好 謝謝張祺凱委員的發言報告委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽來自新竹我們中華文教協會的好朋友我們掌聲歡迎我們接下來請沈伯陽委員發言林德福委員請準備 |
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主席各位委員那還是要再講一次就是我剛剛已經提過了這個在委員會的時候它的版本非常的多那今天又提出了各式各樣的修正動議這就是一個完全沒有經過討論的一個立法 |
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然後剛剛第五條雖然已經這個表決了但我還是要再講一次這完全是一個錯誤的立法我不知道為什麼國民黨剛剛通過的時候可以如此沾沾自喜第一個把這一個類的金額把它定到第五條本身就是一個違憲的行為這個自然不用多講但更重要的事情是國軍加薪已經在4月1號4月1號已經做了 |
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所以我剛剛不懂的像剛剛前面張祺凱委員一直在講說民進黨是要擋這一個所謂的加薪沒有啊 加薪已經做完了那為什麼加加薪做完了然後還要再提這個修法而且還是一種錯誤的立法而且更不要講說我剛剛已經提醒很多次了超時這個完全是補償性質它不是它不是加級性質把錯誤的東西訂到法律裡面到最後一定會出事 |
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這已經講過了不知道多少遍了 但是國民黨聽不進去那現在這一條第六條呢 是針對這一個所謂的義務役那這個義務役呢 從113年開始以二等兵為例是從月資6510元提高到兩萬兩千元這已經做完了總人事的成本包含保險跟伙食跟勞退現在是超過三萬 |
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這個在全世界的水準已經比韓國跟以色列的同等人員更高了然後更不要講說這個是行政院為什麼要這樣調整它是因為去審酌這個兵力的結構去審酌我們現在財務的壓力去定出來的這個不是直接立法要能夠做的事而是本來國防部跟行政院可以自動調整的 |
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所以呢,如果今天把義務役跟這個所謂的薪資底線來做掛鉤,當然知道軍人呢,他不是勞工制度,他不是打卡制,他也不是企業員工,這種單一人員的特別立法如果做下去的話,我擔心的事情是什麼? |
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以後呢就針對不同的職業別不同的兵等都去直接用立法的方式去規範他的薪資這其實是一個這不僅是錯誤的立法這根本也不是立法行政在憲法體制之下所分別的方向 |
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所以制度必須要一體適用不要去針對單一的族群這種做法是破壞整個軍公教待遇調整的橫平性而且會無止境的變成個別的一個立法問題 |
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所以拜託就是不要再用這樣的一個所有的待遇都從這一個政黨去丟岸進家這個軍人制度垮台所以民眾黨跟國民黨在這邊用胡亂提案的方式然後針對我們已經加薪的部分又再跌床架屋然後去做競標這根本不是一個正常討論政策的方式謝謝大家好 謝謝沈博洋委員的發言接下來我們請林德福委員 歡迎王定宇委員請準備 |
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大會主席 韓院長 還有各位同仁與會的各位媒體記者 女士先生我想面對美國川普總統要求台灣要增加整個國防預算 |
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賴清德總統也宣示增加國防預算達GDP3%德福贊成提高國軍義務役的待遇讓年輕人願意從軍捍衛家園為了因應整個印太的情勢 |
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美國也多次提到台灣應該要增加軍事的支出德烏認為在大幅度支出整個國防預算的同時也需要照顧國軍官兵的弟兄特別是在第一線基層戰鬥的部隊 |
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也要讓義務役的弟兄們的最低薪資符合最低工資的標準提高到最基本的一個保障 |
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統計近四年來整個稅收超徵的狀況2021年我們整個超徵是4,327億元2022超徵5,237億元2023超徵了3,860億元2024 5,283億元累積的整個超徵達到1,087億元 |
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平均每年有4,677億元的超增 |
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那購買精良的武器之外更要照顧整個國軍讓一無一的月薪不得低於他的基本工資像二等兵從原來的兩萬一千三百五十元提高到現行的最低的一個工資兩萬八千五百九十元 |
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增加了七千兩百四十元我想一年約增加差不多六億左右的預算 |
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那超徵稅收足以應付來因應那德國也希望我們立法院要不分黨派那朝野立委共同來支持全力來幫助整個國軍弟兄來爭取權益那其實我一直認為說我們希望整個國家經濟提升 |
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兩岸和平 政治親民從政的人要清廉 國家才有希望我的決議就是大惡霸若成功 台灣民主一場空大惡霸若成功 軍人的家心一場空以上 謝謝好 謝謝林德福委員的發言接下來我們請王定宇委員發言許巧欣委員請準備 |
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各位同仁國防事務不應該拿來當罷免的遮羞布也不應該拿來當作黨派之間的紛爭因為國防是超越黨派的比方說剛才王宏威委員提到的列銷案講得不完全嘛 |
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列銷是美國第一次報價115億美國後來主動降下來到48億國防部主動提出增加的部分可以把它減劣這是在國防委員會跨黨派大家的共識講了什麼美國要五毛給一塊這麼習慣造謠好嗎怎麼教孩子呢 |
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第二個有關軍人待遇不跟勞基法綁定可以詢問專業的軍人 |
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不管是上班的型態工作的內容各項加擠它的意義跟勞基法是不應該綁定的那你要把它綁定在最低薪資那請問一下我們的保費軍人的保費主婦職費要不要加進去一加進去其實我們的一屋一藝男跟基本薪資的差別差距並沒有那麼大藍白喜歡說支持國軍 |
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國軍的士氣跟反共護國有關係不要三不五時跑去中國見王滬寧藍白喜歡講支持國軍訓練跟裝備訓練跟裝備重不重要我們有關城鎮戰跟和聲化戰牽涉到七個我們的守備旅的訓場為什麼被凍結我們明天希望能夠把它解凍我們的待遇 |
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10002.564 |
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張其漢委員說長期忽視待遇 反對國軍調高也許你不了解 我這裡有一本可以給你參考從2017年開始 國軍各項的加擠每年幾乎都提高不管是地域加擠 專業包含網路 電展室 戰航館官 士官長專業包含戰鬥部隊勤務加擠 特戰加擠 續服飛行人的加擠 士官長主管加擠 |
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看一下每一年我們在財力可以支付下每一年都調高隨便講一句話都不重視不調整把它當作一次性的表演不好啦破功了啦不用再講了啦 |
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所以我們希望把國軍弟兄的待遇調高但是應該循合法正常的手段為什麼要沒收委員會的討論 淨富二獨難道不了解我們憲法的第70條 釋憲391條預算法的規定如果不跟行政機關的協調這樣子的加薪 只是政治的表演不能達成實質效果 我贊成調高應該坐下來行政立法部門好好來討論 |
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綁定在罷免上 把國軍綁定 這是可恥的把國軍...好 謝謝王定宇委員的發言接下來我們請徐巧興委發 林竹英委員請準備 |
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主席以及各位關心國軍事務的朋友我們會發現民進黨的說法呢跟國防部是一模一樣的我們不是立法局我們是立法委員應該要傾聽的是基層軍官的說法剛才呢中國紅熊亂講一通我想我有必要解釋一下 |
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軍人的薪資組成本來就是本縫再加上加擠這是在第三條明文規定的就只有這兩項在造謠之前請看一下法條本縫因為受到軍公教的體系難以調整所以要透過加擠來替國軍加薪 |
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10116.812 |
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10137.125 |
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那麼我們要想的是EWE的軍人不能低於基本工資是因為我們從四個月調到一年那等於就是一份一年以來正式的工作這項提案不只是金額的調整更是對我們軍人整體制度定位的重新檢視跟重申 |
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10137.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
10164.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
那義務役來服役剛才我們竟然看到民進黨要把伙食費洗衣費也要加進來連給義務役吃飯都要算成他的薪水這不是很可笑很過分嗎所以我們要疑問自己一個更根本的問題在憲法所定的國民義務以全民國防的前提之下國家應該如何的正當對待那些在第一線承擔實質風險的年輕人呢 |
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10166.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
10189.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
現在的兩岸緊張地緣情勢巨變國防政策的重大調整義務役從4個月到1年訓練及內容的強度都全面提升並且實質納入作戰體系我們要問的是待遇是否同步到位了先前提出一個21000多塊錢的內容但完全沒有告訴我們是怎麼試算的 |
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10211.915 |
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所以既然我們把它當成是一份國軍一年的工作那最起碼也不能低於基本工資吧所以我們一直希望的是雖然軍人跟勞工是不一樣的但是我們都希望能夠引進勞工的勞動價值到軍人體系裡面這樣能夠讓一切能夠更加的完整 |
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10212.535 |
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10229.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
所以呢现在的21350元比基本工资还要低换句话说连在便利商店打工的年轻人所领的收入都比在前线接受军事训练的义务还要更高这样的反差要怎么说得过去呢 |
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10255.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
我們必須面對一個現實就是軍人包含義務役是一個強鬥勞動的產業無論具備勞工身份與否他的實質條件都是長工時體力密集責任重大這是已經超過一般的標準所以我們希望能夠最低基本工資不是什麼特別的幫助而是基本的勞工保障 |
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10271.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
所以在这里我们要再一次强调大罢免弱成军人家心一场空谢谢好谢谢许巧欣委员的发言接下来我们请林楚英委员发言翁晓琳委员请准备 |
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謝謝主席各位立法院的同仁還有收看直播的各位朋友我們今天討論這一個軍人待遇的條例我想先說結論 |
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國民黨的委員怕罷免所以就用造謠來當遮羞布國民黨的委員怕罷免就拿國庫來買票為什麼這樣講剛剛王鴻薇委員是一個被罷免團體被民眾指出來說你上央視 |
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衛匪宣傳你去跟王滬寧握手但現在你居然造謠我們國防委員會當中有關於軍事國防預算的部分你根本沒有來開會你講的東西就只講一半這是造謠而我要講的是剛剛徐巧欣委員 |
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用栽贓抹黑的方式來講有關於軍人家心我就說詐騙集團都是這樣的先把你騙上手之後再用國庫來買票我為什麼這樣講我們今天討論的不論是第四案或第六案都沒有經過行政部門專業的財務評估跟試算沒有經過這樣的支出事實上是對國庫非常大的打擊 |
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漠視權力分立的部分我要講這個會期從去年的2月1號到現在國民黨藍白聯手就是要示範國會擴權欺壓凌駕在行政權之上這不就也是全民發起大罷免的緣由嗎因為現在台灣的民主台灣的立法院 |
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台灣的整個權力分立的制度都已經被國民黨改到亂到已經不成樣了國民黨好意思講如果大罷免成功民主一場空我要說的是大罷免如果不成功台灣民主就落空 |
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國民黨喜歡跟著民進黨有樣學樣那就請你們好好的正視你們之前亂砍預算亂擋國安法案讓我們的國防門戶大開國安空空空現在如果只是為了怕罷免來造謠 |
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大罷免拿國庫來買票這個是拿全民的納稅錢來開玩笑所以我要再講一遍大罷免大成功守護台灣民主不成空我也呼籲所有的朋友看破國民黨為了大罷免拿國軍來當遮羞布大罷免就是照妖精照這些藍白妖怪現行 |
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主席各位同仁大家好剛剛王定宇委員說國軍義務 |
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義務役待遇的改善調高這些近幾年已經有調高了但是我們要說這些待遇的調整足夠嗎合理嗎剛剛林楚英委員說行政機關看起來是不支持國防部有出來反對我們這次所進行的相關法案修改嗎民進黨委員就是造謠再造謠他們才是真正的造謠他們才是真正的妖魔 |
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時間暫停 麻煩尊重發言委員權益再一次拜託大家 翁委員請 |
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目前我国义务役军人的最低薪资所得是21350元,但是从明年1月1号开始,劳工的最低基本工资已经确定都调升到28590元,两者之间的差距是7240元。义务役的军人虽然在法律上的身份并非劳工,但是我们不能忽视的是,他们每天辛勤的工作所承受的压力,所付出的时间与努力,绝对不少于一般的劳工。 |
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那么义务役义男在服役期间与志愿役的军人是一样的他们必须要24小时待命随时随地都要应对各种突发状况无论是营区的卫少外出支援战备演训等等他们都必须全力以赴毫无退缩所以说他们的勤务性质基本上是与义务役军人是完全相同的然而他们的待遇呢却是天差地远 |
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志愿意享有完整的薪资福利与保险但是义务役的却领不到连最低基本工资都达不到的这个薪资这样的制度设计是合理吗我们不能忽视的是许多义务役军人在服役的时候已经成年了 |
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而且甚至都有成家立业那么在家中扮演的经济支柱的角色他们除了基本的生活开销之外还必须要负担家计照顾父母配偶以及子女在这样的情况之下每个月仅领取两万多块的薪资根本无法维持个人或家庭的基本生活水准长期以来不仅是会打击服役人员的士气更会影响到军中整体的纪律与稳定 |
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所以我們這次參考最低工資法的立法精神修改軍人待遇條例明定義務役現役軍的月薪不得低於最低的基本工資這不僅僅是對義難軍訓勞動價值的基本尊重也是對他們家庭 |
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责任的一种体恤政府每年只有多付出六亿的经费却能带给义义义男更多实质的支持这个可以促进军中的和谐与士气有极大的帮助这是给予义义义男牺牲小我保卫家国的最好的鼓励因此在这边我还要再次呼吁大罢免若成功义义义的家心会是一场空以上 |
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好 謝謝翁曉琳委員發言接下來我們請陳冠廷委員發言 王育民委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁大家好那今天針對修法的第六條的部分我們外界還有我們本會都非常關心我們義務役他的相關的調整制度那我來說明一下我們的態度跟立場我們的立場跟態度一直都是很支持照顧國軍那其實剛才我們多位黨籍的委員也有提到過去義務役的薪資長期都在六千多塊錢 |
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但是在民進黨執政時期我們配合恢復一年一期一物一的薪水已經大幅提升那在114年起行政院已經核定一年的 |
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第一位其基本待遇約為台幣的22,000多元如果加計政府全額負擔的健保費軍人保險主婦實費及退休金提繳等項目合計補助是8,374元也就是說其整體的待遇為月薪台幣30,374元已經高於114年勞工的最低月薪所以說 |
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各國實施義務與跟他的徵兵制度為主的國家我們也要做比較做比較的話我們來去做比較之後會得到說他們的薪資待遇其實都是低於各國的最低基本工資對於經濟人員他的整體薪資調整行政院每年都會綜合考量多項經濟指標那包含經濟成長率平均國民所得消費者物價指數民間企業的薪資水準等等來去做整體的規劃 |
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統一對軍公教人員薪資進行調整那軍職人員的部分他的薪資當然也包含職務家籍專業家籍也會同步去調整那其他地域家籍勤務家籍是國防部來去做不定期的交給行政院去做核定那2013年到2014年的義務役薪資也同步配合軍公教調薪已經有完整的調薪機制那不需要另行來去規定來去增加待遇的調薪的制度 |
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那最後我們要針對部分黨團跟立委提出的這個提高官兵待遇的建議我們也必須要審慎評估根據預算法91條以及我剛才提到的財政紀律法第五條的規定立法院的立法委員提出的法案如果導致稅出大幅增加或者是稅率減少應該先徵詢行政院的意見並提出資金來源如果有必要 |
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那要提出配套的法律去修正來去兼顧市政資源的分配跟國家財政的可行性那我剛剛提到的資源的分配跟國家財政我們當然是希望在軍方的福利我們不斷的增加但是要增加多少要怎麼增加增加哪一個部分針對哪一個族群針對哪一個人等的公務人員等等其實都是必須要全面方面去思考的我們沒有無限的資源但是我們可以有效的分配資源 |
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那以上說明 謝謝大家 |
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院長各位委員大家好剛剛聽到了民進黨委員的發言有人提到說軍人加薪違憲有人提到說這是肉頭法案有人提到說不應該再加薪了因為我們的薪水跟其他國家比較起來已經是很好了我想如果有國軍弟兄聽到這些言論應該會覺得很失望吧 |
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因為在剛剛的表決裡面我們看到民進黨的委員針對志願意加薪加擠三萬元這件事通通投下反對票我要問的是民進黨的委員你們真的支持國軍嗎你們真的有看到國軍站在第一線他承擔了多少的風險 |
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多少人身安全他的家人有多麼的擔心他他多麼的日以繼夜在捍衛我們國人的安全您看見了嗎現在要討論的這個是義務役加薪的部分一樣剛剛有很多民進黨的委員說不需要再加薪了他們不是勞工 |
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對 他們不是勞工我提醒民進黨的委員賴清德總統在今年五月受訪說擔任軍人的確是一個非常崇高的工作因為軍人是保家衛國365行沒有一行可以跟國軍相比 |
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這個就是他的崇高性他們為了國家盡忠職守義務役他一樣他從四個月變成一年之後他承擔了這個國家的風險沒有自由隨時待命請問他們不值得提高他們的待遇跟現在的基本薪資一樣嗎提高到28,590元嗎 |
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這個請民進黨委員真的要看一下另外一個我們看到民進黨委員說我們已經是其他國家最好了請看看我們現在的這個整個國軍的邊線比他從2020的88.57%下降到2024的78.6%短短四年減少了10% |
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而選擇賠錢提前退伍的軍官人數從400億人激增到1565人四年暴增了四倍請問如果我們對國軍夠好了會有這樣的一個現象嗎 |
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所以大家剛剛可以看到國民黨的委員我們是全力的支持國軍無論是志願役或是義務役我們都希望提高佳績我們都希望給他們更好的待遇反觀民進黨的委員通通都是反對的所以請大家支持國民黨的委員大惡霸若成功國軍嘉興一場空 |
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11085.372 |
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好 謝謝王育民委員的發言接下來我們請陳俊偉發言 丁薛忠偉請準備主席 各位委員沿襲我們前陣子所討論的議案同樣是為了要提供國軍台北的訴求我想 它是要 |
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回到剛才我們剛才所說的我們在第一線的蘇國平所打起的責任是越來越嚴重所以對於國軍 |
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各項臺府進行合理的調整相信都是我們條約可以共同支持的針對義務業的軍人臺府我們看到國防部也已經在進行調整甘有必要就由這個條文當中另外來堅定相關的機制來擺定基本的工資我想在我們民進黨執政 |
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這九年多連鎖失敗的挑釁大家都看得到 這可不是假的今年我們說沒有國民黨部長所提出主張國軍台部調整的相關方案在今年四月初一已經開始執行後我們看到聲號 確實是不錯 |
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老年救母的這個人數增加3%已經來到82%主動補貼的人數減少325人實際主動老年的人數也已經來到1774人這幾年民進黨執政 |
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11202.638 |
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這個最早的200億,二點邊來看,他們收納的薪資已經在過去國民黨的6500個左右來到22000個這是新納的薪資,如果加上相關的人事費用,包括這個軍報、健報會是有訂定,實際 |
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的總額已經超過三萬塊以上,關鍋目前的基本工資應該對於越南地元性現發移步的時期,經濟上有適當的保障,並且針對現有的技術,我們統一公共高新租的台幣來進行調整,以應應經濟及物價的 |
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除了我們針對台服的問題討論以外也應該期待可以提升目前所使用相關的設備讓他們在訓練當中掌握現代化精良的武器進一步增加各軍的信心強化我們整體的戰力讓所有軍人 |
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軍人的這個衛地上可以好好來修復我們的安全也在這裡要依賴在野的政黨不可以只手來抬雨傘 都手要要求國軍加薪半個月是你們 花了幾個月也是你們今天之中我們這個鄉民國土部會的修復我們不只在這裡和你們社會共和國我們也在這裡要依賴支持國防 修復國民 |
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好 謝謝陳俊宇委員的發言接下來請第一學中委員發言 王玉川委員請準備好 感謝主席 各位委員同仁 |
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今天軍人待遇條例第六條今天我們站在這裡大聲說出我要搞帳義務士兵的薪水他們的薪資應比照最低工資不得低於基本生活搞帳水準政府這些年說要強化帳櫃又把預期提高到一倍 |
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同時不斷升高兩岸對立還把對岸定位為敵對勢力這些政策讓我們的國軍同仁被推向更高風險軍援但在這樣的背景下我們卻看到一個荒謬的事實 |
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一名義務役事工每月只能領到兩萬三千五百元的薪資竟然給最低工資還少七千多元這樣的待遇不僅給不上民間一名在便利商店打工的大學生甚至低於勞基法所搞帳的勞工最低收入 |
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很多人說當今是國家為國是國民應盡的義務但我們要問的是旅行義務就連基本生活條件就應該被犧牲嗎為什麼在物價不斷上漲生活成本越來越高的今天願意為國家流血流汗的年輕人 |
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反而成了國家遺忘的一群我們的法律保障每一位勞工都有基本工資那麼請問身為義務役青年就不該有基本保障嗎他們每天接受嚴格操練執行各項艱辛任務他們所承擔的不只是體力的負擔 |
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更是心理與安全的風險但他們的價值卻常年被忽略被低估他們的確不是用來賺錢謀生的他們是來不易的國家卻不能藉此否認 |
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他們身而為人的基本需求這個提案不只是為了薪資的提升更是對整體國防體系的投資也是對公平正義的實踐若一個社會不能尊重願意為國家付出的青年讓我們如何要求下一代繼續投入精靈我們要用實際的行動證實 |
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國家不會虧待每月願意挺身而出的年輕人一個為國效力的年輕人值得一份低於基本工資的待遇讓我們國家不再只是口頭感謝大法輪若成功竟能加薪一場空謝謝好謝謝第一學中委員的發言接下來請王一川委員發言謝龍介委員請準備 |
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聽了一早上 國民黨的委員說什麼國民黨最照顧軍人 臭死人國民黨 馬英九做總統的時候我們阿兵哥做兵 一個位娘 六千塊啦小英 賴清德 現在一個位娘 兩萬兩千塊啦詐騙集團 走去用拔面對六千塊 兩萬兩千塊 你們懂得說嗎馬英九做總統為什麼要六千臭死人 現在在走的時候 還在說這些 |
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國民黨沒有跟人民解釋為什麼去年要砍國安的法案要擋住要砍國網的預算要凍結國網的預算沒有解釋今年拿出來要國土安全正式的預算國民黨結束了 |
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當國土安全任性的預算當國安的法案當國防的預算 三國安預算 凍結國防預算這麼做的事情你要讓去做阿兵哥的人做軍人的人有尊嚴嗎國民黨做這件事你知道國軍多生氣嗎 |
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現在要做兵的阿兵哥,在做軍官的,現在要做兵的,看著國民黨,提供醫生,這樣亂撲亂抬當國安的預算,他在保家衛國的時候,國民黨把國安的這些人全部斷掉了 |
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他們要捍衛中華民國,捍衛台灣,看到你們國民黨爬這裡的房子你們現在,想說大罷免,看得到我們不安嗎?走去用把握的一天一天起來,對著架頭,站著都這樣,一天一天黏架斷片,回去斷,斷說我們最挺國軍的啦,我們最挺軍人的啦國軍軍人都要挺我國民黨 |
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你當作我們現在國軍跟軍人,這樣看這三十秒的,看這三分之一的就會支持你們喔?不會啦!現在都不會付啦!大罷免就要大成功啦!你們起來說這些已經不好啦! |
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因為人民都知道,你們台家醫生當這裡發案,是在當給什麼人看的啦台灣人中華民國國民都看得到,國民黨當國防醫生當國安法案,是黨給誰看的啦都看得到啦,都看得到你們當作大家都看得到,大家都看得到你們就是當給那邊的,那邊的,那邊的看 |
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現在 為了大罷免 怕被人罵出這招好 你都在出這招 大家就說 哇 國民黨好支持軍人喔國民黨如果支持軍人 馬英九做總統我們的阿兵哥就不可能一個月走這麼久啦騙鬼 假鬼假怪 假小假兵好 謝謝王逸川委員的發言接下來請謝榮介委 歡迎李崑禎委員請準備 |
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各位偉大的中華民國國軍,大家辛苦。台灣鄉親,我們很清楚,你剛才所看到這裡的立法委員,一個月而已二十萬。我們把國軍加薪水,人家說國軍是英勇,請你適當。 |
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11762.645 |
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我們中華民國沒病者 這裡的軍人 一個月而已三萬五千三 三萬五千三這裡的立法委員而已二十萬 您想到的老百姓嗎 三萬五千三 您就給我停一下 |
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好 時間暫停 再一次拜託委員大家都有發言的機會尊重發言的委員 協同監委員請繼續像這個沒有營養的立法委員 而已二十萬今年而已三萬五千三明天 他們無法緊張說什麼人在選國防部長 沒有人選國防部長 |
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剛才跟你說的喔 美國人報價一百十億降到五十五億 甚至這錢就要降下來這腳是誰給你搧的 應該買的 應該做的我們都給你支持啦 不然你要賠償股價過去國民黨之前 總務省一條七千億 現在總務省三條 |
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中間三條 差十四個的三條 兩條九千九百八十六個我們的軍人那三萬五千三 聽你的聲音他就會怕這樣有利嗎 看美國的軍人 看韓國的軍人 看日本的主委隊心碎大家都十萬七條 新代表 |
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三萬五千三百多人挑戰中,不然怎麼叫他們當北京衛國?你們都不抱歉,我們把軍人加在一起是怎樣?剛好而已所以,國軍不用怕,今天你沒什麼政治目的,改做就做 |
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民進黨這次過得太高階,那些錢要去補他們的公司,那些做力量的都力有有的公司所有辦法要補台電的,台電的要補對他們那些力有有的公司去對國軍的加薪水,他們一個點就沒有出問題,也沒有要求給我們財政黨拿這個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
11899.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
謝謝謝榮介委員的發言 |
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再次拜託大家 各位委員每個政黨都有發言的代表 拜託尊重發言委員的權益我們請李坤城委員發言 洪孟凱委員請準備謝謝主席 在場所有的委員 |
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剛剛有委員說立法委員月領20萬國軍弟兄領得太少但是立法委員月領20萬執行率也要百分之百哪有月領20萬的在教育委員會執行只有20%這個大家都可以去看執行率只有20% |
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那我講到民進黨照顧軍人已經是現在進行式已經很多的待遇都在照顧了但是我要說在野黨黨國防預算 三國防預算也是ING現在進行式 |
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12021.611 |
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民进党政府在今年的4月1号已经为军人调薪了包括调整志愿役的加给还有战斗部队的加给就在今年4月1号已经开始做了早就在在野党讲之前民进党政府就已经为我们的军人调薪了更不用说我们151的士兵在去年2024年的1月1号就开始调薪了二兵呢从6000多块 |
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條薪調到兩萬兩千塊如果加計呢軍艦保主付實費勞退等費用二兵啊大頭兵啊所領的這個月薪啊已經有超過三萬塊了 |
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這都是民進黨政府現在就對軍人有照顧了不論你是自願意還是義務意但是呢 國民黨對於國防預算的刪除對於打擊軍人的士氣現在還在做啊刪除了國防預算 刪除了多少 84億凍結了多少國防預算 凍結了900億 |
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凍結到連江啟臣去美國都要去跟美國的行政部門還有國會議員解釋說我們接下來呢我們會來提升台灣自我防衛能力有嗎 沒有啊回到台灣繼續要來刪除4100億的特別預算裡面的1500億有關國防的預算有關海委會的預算 |
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這些都是保家衛國的救命錢那結果呢 政業黨現在還是要繼續刪除不是只有刪除總預算 凍結總預算想拿走什麼 扶起來就給你錢了這種言論才是真正打擊國軍的士氣 |
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然後呢現在不論是國防委員會或是說海委會都希望呢這個一千萬億能夠通過所以海院長說啊大罷免若成功台灣民主一場空我講大罷免若成功民主反共必成功謝謝李坤成為的發言 |
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力挺國軍 軍人加薪 |
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各位主席各位同仁大家今天在這邊做這個討論其實最重要的2350萬人大家應該都要一起共同力挺國軍用力挺方式就是應該要不分朝野不分藍綠大家共同國軍最需要的部分給予支持給予鼓勵 |
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先說結論今年114年國防部的年度總預算經過我們朝野共同討論之後到最後的結論就是多增加400億比去年的預算還多增加400億這個增加這是事實 |
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再者過去到現在不管草野的委員我們在國防外交委員會以及相關委員會也都有討論過自願役為何近幾年大幅的流失這不是單一事件啊是長期的結構性問題啊最根本的部分不也是就是希望待遇能夠提升能夠讓更多優秀的人才能夠投履軍履也因此 |
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不管今天我們討論的自願役的一個加薪或是義務役能夠提高到最低的基本工資其實很簡單的道理都是希望用最實際的方式給予我們的軍人最直接的保障 |
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上個禮拜賴清德總統也講說應該要開放軍人優先登基我不反對我甚至認為是說如果可以的話各行各業都可以提供給軍人相關的待遇或是相關的一個福利或是相關的基本尊重為什麼因為這個就是我們展現出來感謝保家衛國軍人的一個態度 |
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也因此今天在這邊我們共同負責為自己的投票負責為自己的發言負責也為我們做下的決定負責現在執政黨是民進黨過去的八年你們執政的狀況到底有讓現在的軍人不管是志願役義務役有沒有感受到你們的照顧那現在我們提出來的不管是志願役或是義務役來講這樣子的待遇是不是真真正正能夠把錢花在刀口上還有更重要的是 |
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當現在美國也在講鼓勵亞洲各國我們的軍費支出都要GDP的5%現在我們是2.5%將近8000億左右明年要一兆6000億如果說一兆6000億的預算的話給軍人加薪不管是EWE不管是志願役把錢花在刀口上實質的提高待遇不也是軍費支出的一環嗎 |
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如果說真的要增加與其買一些我們根本用不到而且不是我們國人需要的武器的話我更支持實際的回饋讓我們軍人的待遇提升也因此我們很鄭重的講力挺國軍就是讓軍人加薪最後大惡霸若成功軍人加薪全落空大惡霸若成功台灣民主一場空謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
12354.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
好 謝謝侯孟凱委員的發言接下來我們請張宏祿委員發言廖偉祥委員請準備 |
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| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
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我們今天在這邊討論這個軍人家籍的問題我覺得都可以討論軍人的待遇要好我也支持但剛剛聽了很多大家的發言真的如果沒有理性討論真的是一場空為什麼我要這樣說呢其實我們對軍人的待遇這幾年其實都有逐步的在增加 |
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然後呢也都有逐步的讓我們現在的國軍弟兄他們在生活上在各方面是要全方面的照顧才對而不是說只有薪水我必須要說如果國防預算大家不亂砍的話我覺得 |
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有這個前提我們再來談軍人的家籍軍人的薪水要不要增加如果你現在說軍人的薪水要增加多少多少但明年的預算又是亂砍一通那在這樣的情況之下能夠真的拿到嗎 |
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我覺得大家要好好的想這個問題如果是國防預算是合理的我們就不要亂砍剛剛有委員在說買到一些可能用不到的一些武器我想啦不要把我們的國軍看成這樣啦用不到的武器我們會去買嗎 |
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你們黨國見國照然後讓這個預算不通過然後讓預算在這邊凍結這擺明了不讓台灣國防自主嘛所以我說如果大家都對國防預算合理的編列我們都不亂砍 都不亂刪在這個前提之下我們來談軍人的家計我覺得非常合理 |
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軍人的家計也不是說立法院我們這樣子用立法權來凌駕行政權然後說多少就多少這是應該要合理討論的問題為什麼我要說合理的討論因為軍人他也有很多特種的一些部隊 |
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我們應該從各方面去看有的要加更多這個才是一個合理的討論所以我說啦這個我們照顧軍人除了薪水增加之外他的生活面我們有沒有更多的照顧這也是要考慮的所以我個人是覺得國防預算薪水的部分真的是可以討論的但不是這樣用粗暴的就給他通過 |
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主席各位同仁大家好 |
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今天我們要討論這個軍人待遇條例第六條修正案明文規定讓義務役的薪資不得低於基本工資我想這不是單純的待遇調整而是對於每一位願意為國家站上第一線的青年所做出的最基本也最起碼的尊重 |
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第一 憲法保障兵役義務不該成為低薪的藉口憲法明定人民有服兵役的義務然而這項義務從來不應該成為政府給予低薪的藉口 |
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義務役不是志願當兵也不是職業選擇而是為國家所承擔的責任如果國家你有義務作為理由讓青年服役卻領著遠低於社會標準的薪資那不只是對個人不公更是對於國家義務精神的扭曲第二保障待遇就是穩定戰力長期以來義務役待遇明顯偏低 |
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雖然服役是責任,但不是犧牲尊嚴。國軍不是廉價勞工,國防不能夠靠熱血撐起。所以我們今天提出修法,就是要讓服役的青年不再為義務而被制度剝削,讓國軍不再淪為最低工資以下的國家機器操作員。 |
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第三修法經費合理不影響民生與武器採購這項修法所需的經費在整體的國防預算中佔比極低不會影響武器採購更不會排擠民生支出我們要讓全民看到國防投資不只是買設備更是要對人的投資是對士兵對未來戰力的投資沒有好兵再強的武器也是空殼 |
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今天應該要是朝野向國軍說出我們停你的一天面對日益嚴峻的台海局勢我們不能只靠喊口號來穩定兵源必須從制度上給予國軍最堅實的支持今天三讀通過這項修法的話就是朝野一起向國軍說出我們聽見你 看見你 我們停你 |
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最後我也要呼籲執政黨在怎麼搞大罷免大惡罷也不要阻擋國家安全讓我們一起為國軍統一陣線不要繼續在那邊喊大罷免大發瘋 |
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大家一起跨出強化戰力的關鍵一步因為保障義務義的就是保障國防的根基投資國軍就是確保國家的安全保障台灣的未來那等等表決希望不要有人投反對票來阻擋增加義務義的待遇若民進黨還是執意反對不就代表大罷免若成功國軍加薪一場空謝謝 |
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好 謝謝廖偉祥委員的發言接下來我們請省發會委員發言羅廷維委員請準備各位同仁今天國民黨這個提案 |
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我說白了他是看不起我們的國軍弟兄為什麼只加3萬你們為什麼不提案加5萬為什麼不加30萬因為你們知道所有的待遇調整他都牽涉到國家的財務紀律他都牽涉到國家財務評估預算紀律牽涉到整體國家薪資結構的衡平牽涉到勞工 農民 上班族薪資的平衡 |
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所以你們為什麼不敢提30萬 就是因為你們知道根據預算法第九十一條立法院凡涉及稅出或稅入變動的法律案立法院必須事先與行政院徵詢你們有嗎 有徵詢行政院嗎不要說行政院 連立法院的委員會都沒有討論這個是國家預算的橫評這是國家整體財務結構的調整 |
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國民黨不懂嗎國民黨當然懂但是他為什麼還是要硬幹很簡單就是因為大罷免要政策買票可以這麼幹嗎今天大罷免你們加三萬再來朱立倫要選黨主席加一萬蔣萬安要市長連任再加五萬我後面的韓國瑜要選總統再加十萬可以這麼幹嗎各位 |
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國家的薪資結構可以這樣子拿來政策買票嗎我們從小看國民黨選舉買票看到大台灣人很有智慧發展出一句話叫做 鐵換鐵 島換島鐵換鐵 島換島 |
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全國的國軍弟兄今天也會一樣 踢翻踢 倒彎倒他們會站出來大罷免 罷免國民黨的立委為什麼 因為他們知道現在每天在台灣擾台的這些金雞後面就坐著國民黨的立委 |
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他們知道現在滋擾台灣海域的這些軍艦上面又坐著國民黨的立委他們知道未來他們在戰場上拿著槍指著他們的人民解放軍背後就站著國民黨的立委 |
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所以 為了台灣 為了中華民國為了國軍弟兄的身家性命時間暫停 時間暫停時間暫停 時間暫停 陳委員請暫停拜託大家 尊重發言委員的權益再次拜託大家不要一說到你們的通處 你們大家就噗噗跳為了 為了中華民國 為了台灣為了我們的子弟的身家性命 |
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請國軍弟兄一定會鐵環鐵 倒環倒站出來罷免中共的走狗立委好 謝謝沈發慧為的發言 |
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羅廷偉稍待 稍待 稍待再一次拜託大家我們還有兩位委員即將發言完備再一次拜託大家尊重發言委員的權益好 羅廷偉委員 請 |
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從去年的1月開始一年制的一物一恢復了軍人24小時待命薪資卻低於最低工資有合理嗎今天的修法這不是喊價如果國家連最基本的金人待遇都做不到還有什麼資格喊罪照顧軍人 |
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過去151的軍人薪水很低以前就職4個月的軍事訓練役月薪6510就算後來的薪資一年151月薪加上加幾大約2萬出頭還是比最低工資還要低 |
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以前薪水低很多人覺得當兵浪費時間沒有價值甚至覺得自己像廉價勞工現在薪水若提高到最低工資國家認可義務役的軍人付出能提升軍人的尊嚴與認同 |
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剛剛也有其他的委員提出軍人能夠優先搭機這是小事他們都如此重視那今天呢我們在提升這樣子的一個薪資在照顧他們不也是其中一環嗎 |
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今天軍人待遇條例第六條條文修正案增訂義務役軍人薪資不低於最低工資的標準以確保其生活需求讓他們的薪水能夠達到最低工資的水準有助於確保義男在服役期間能夠維持基本生活我們要知道 |
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最低工資是保障勞工基本權益的重要指標將義務義軍人納入最低工資的保障範圍有助於縮小義男與社會其他勞工之間的待遇差距 |
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落實社會公平正義讓每一位服役的青年能夠無後顧之憂專心的投身軍旅我們更要保障大家在這個時機點我們還是要講反共產反共最好的方法就是增加兵力照顧國軍大二霸落成功國軍加薪一場空 |
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好 謝謝羅廷輝委員的發言接下來我們請黨團推派委員最後一位蔡易瑜委員請發言院長各位同仁 |
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我想我們今天處理的法案大家事實上都會講一句大罷免大成功事實上31比0這一個數字代表的就是說這一整年來你看國民黨配合著黃國昌配合著傅坤祺從一上任就搞什麼國會擴權結果被大法官宣告違憲 |
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國會擴權完就搞著要用財化法然後讓行政院的財政能力來大幅中央的財政能力大幅下降然後要修選罷法讓這個人民的罷免權因為你們說要附身份證然後讓這一個罷免權大幅的難以實施包括國民黨再反二罷也都不要用你們自己通過的選罷法 |
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然後咧 因為大法官宣告你們的擴權法案違憲那你們就要過一個憲法訴訟法所以這個都是你們這一年來亂搞這樣亂搞的一個結果給白色看不下去才會有這麼多公民團體跳出來要把國民黨的立委一個一個罷免掉所以才會有31個 |
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現在二階通過準備面對接下來七月接下來八月第三階的一個投票所以我相信在這裡很多國民黨的立委咧現在坐在這裡幹在心裡啦 |
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為什麼幹在心裡呢?因為這一年來,您就是黃國昌在亂搞,他的怒號在搞起來,您現在31個要被罷免您就是傅坤祺,推的這一些法案,每一個法案都不符合人民的期待 |
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所以你看黃國昌現在說法庭直播所有的司法界包括法官包括檢察官包括律師都說這樣的法案要三思但是黃國昌看起來民眾黨還是要壓著你們國民黨硬幹事實上國民黨很聰明國民黨畢竟是有執政過的政黨 |
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他知道要怎麼討好人民他知道要怎麼用這一些法案來換他們要的選票他們不像黃國昌都沒有帶吐司去烤肉不帶吐司就要叫國民黨配合他們所以國民黨很聰明啊他們今天過這個法案就是為了他們接下來面對大罷免他們需要軍人的選票 |
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所以這個法案國民黨要給他過我馬哥媽公沒關係這個法案等一下的表決大家都知道民政黨才是照顧國軍民政黨要增加國防的預算國民黨你們就是怕大罷免最後 |
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謝謝蔡議員的發言報告院會我們現在各黨團推派委員的發言已經發言完畢我們現在休息十分鐘休息之後進行本案主條討論 |
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法院會我們現在繼續開會進行逐條討論第四條維持現行條文我們現在進行第六條請宣讀各黨團版本其餘提案條文列入公報記錄 |
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國民黨黨團再修正動議第六條義務役現役軍人薪額月之數額由國防部擬定報請行政院核定其單位總額不得低於最低工資法所定之最低工資台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議第六條義務役現役軍人薪額即加幾月之數額由國防部擬定報請行政院核定前項薪額即加幾月之數額不得低於最低工資法所定之每月最低工資 |
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好 我們現在按鈴七分鐘分發表決卡 現在開始按鈴 |
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好 八國院會 我們現在依序進行表決如果其中任何一案通過 我們就不再處理其他案現在表決 國民黨黨團在修正動議條文現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決贊成國民黨黨團 請按贊成 反對 請按反對時間一分鐘 現在開始 |
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抱怨會報告表決結果在場委員出席110位贊成61位反對49位贊成者多數第六條我們照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過抱怨會現在全案經過二讀先由國民黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有異議沒有異議請宣讀經過二讀這條文 |
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第六條151現役軍人薪額月支數額由國防部擬定報期行政院核定其待遇總額不得低於最低工資法所定之最低工資宣讀完畢報院會三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正沒有文字修正報院會現有民進黨黨團 |
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依據立法院職權刑事法第十一條之規定提請將全案付表決我們現在進行全案表決贊成全案表決通過者請按贊成反對者請按反對棄權者請按棄權民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告院會報告表決結果出席109位贊成60位反對49位贊成者多數全案表決通過我們現在做以下決議軍人待遇條例第6條條文修正通過 |
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國民黨黨團提案 |
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翁曉琳委員等分別提案經第三會期第十二次會議決定自委員會抽出淨附二讀與相關提案並按協商廖偉祥委員等徐宇貞委員等分別提案經第三會期第十三次第十四次會議決定淨附二讀與相關提案並按協商委員會本案現已完成協商請宣讀協商結論 |
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立法院黨團協商結論時間114年6月6日星期五上午11時地點議場主席辦公室協商主題國軍退出役官兵輔導條例增訂第27條之二條文查案協商結論一本院院會進行處理時廣泛討論由台灣民眾黨黨團推派一人民進黨黨團推派十人國民黨黨團推派十人輪流交叉發言每人發言時間為三分鐘主條討論時各黨團均不發言 |
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並依各黨團版本提出先後進行表決及處理 |
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請問議員會議對以上協商結論有無意義沒有意義我們本案依後續以協商結論來處理現在進行廣泛討論請各黨團推派代表依次序發言首先請林益君委員發言沈伯陽委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席在場委員我們都知道軍人肩負了保家衛國的重責大任國軍官兵們在服役的期間皆需投入高強度的戰備演訓應變各項的高風險的勤務付出的心力不少於一般的公職人員但退役後卻需面臨子女教育及經濟上面的壓力 |
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關於退儲役人員子女教育的補助費是在民國106年8月起經行政院人事行政總處刊文調整並取消國軍退役上校以上人員之教育補助的政策 |
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將資領退休奉、贍養金或生活補助費資退出役官兵中上校階級以上人員的子女教育經費排除於補助對象僅限發給中校階以下的人員 |
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經過調查上校退役人員多於40歲到55歲之間退休然而他們的子女正值於就學的階段導致上校退役人員產生了剝奪感國家對於退役的軍官兵因本於遵從軍人的精神退役軍官的照顧同樣攸關了國家的安全 |
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應該從優給予以體現國家對國軍願意保家衛國犧牲奉獻的肯定雖然歷任退伍會的主委均支持恢復對上校階以上領奉人員子女的教育補助費用但自107年以來已經六度報請行政院建議恢復但是都遭到駁回實在是不公平的對待 |
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台灣民眾黨體恤上校階以上人員通常為部隊主官並於國軍各部隊中都擔任了非常重要的職位更掌握了國軍機敏資訊和作戰計畫是中共 |
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滲透的主要目標共諜案件中往往是透過退役軍官穿針引線進行情資滲透有鑒於此我們民眾黨黨團基於對國軍報效國家的肯定主張恢復退役上校以上人員的子女教育補助不只是照顧退役官兵也是感謝國軍在軍旅服務期間對國家的奉獻 |
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當退伍軍官能夠感受到國家照顧和尊重將有助於強化他們對國家的忠誠與自律的心態降低遭境外勢力利誘的風險進一步穩固我國軍事謝謝林益君委員的發言接下來沈博洋委員請發言王紅薇委員請準備 |
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主席 各位委員 那這個呢我覺得啦 我們是有一說一 有二說二剛剛這個軍人待遇條例可以說是亂七八糟連這個最基本的法制的ABC都沒有遵守但現在我們要討論的這一條 相對來講第一個 它至少是有討論過的它在什麼時候討論呢 它其實在上一屆就討論過了在這一屆也討論過了 |
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他一樣是增加預算不過沒有像前面兩個案子那麼誇張所以這個案子呢原本是可以討論的所以去年呢我們在討論這件事情的時候其實非常的簡單因為呢如果用主決議的方式先建議比如說行政院建議退府去擬出相關的方案把這個提出來之後呢再來針對是不是要把這個線切在上校子女說真的這樣是可以討論的 |
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但萬萬卻沒有想到呢最後明明在當時呢用主決議可以去決定的事情現在又一樣的硬是要用入法的方式來處理那又回到剛剛前面軍人待遇條例的問題就是立法院其實實質上不能夠直接去做增加預算今天行政體系他不管是要加薪或者要把那個紅線畫在哪裡其實都有行政的彈性那要不然為什麼4月1號就已經有先做加薪了那時候立法院沒有立法 |
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那是因為這是行政院自己就可以做的事情它無需等到立法院來立法這樣才會有彈性嘛那更不要講說呢其實今天這個提案它還是有開一個歷史倒車的問題怎麼說呢因為呢在65年7月30號的時候呢那時候兼領月退休的人員就可以比照在職人員發這個子女教育的補助但那是舊時代的產物它已經不符合現代這種公平財政的精神 |
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所以在106年的時候呢 那時候也是一樣喔 是做決議喔 也不是法案 是做決議基於照顧弱勢跟肯定對國家有貢獻這件事情呢 進行調整所以從106年開始呢 除了因公失能或退休時無工作能力人於補助之外所有的公教人員都採一個定額的標準本來是用25000畫這條線 113年畫成28000 |
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然而因為軍人退役年齡比較早所以他退役早的時候他子女可能還在上學所以就改成用官階的身份那個時候就是用這個本來的金額以及試算過後就是把那條線劃在中校 |
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如果要調整其實也可以直接做調整他可以討論但明明就是一個那麼簡單的事情結果現在卻用這樣的直接立法的方式又變成是一種不好好討論最終要通過立法那更不要講說其實就學這件事情已經有私校這個三萬五啊學貸的減壓什麼等等之類的 |
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所以還是要再次建議我們這個在野黨就是說我們不要讓這個資源重合也不要讓這個討論失焦用原來這種決議的方式能夠處理就沒有必要浪費時間在這樣的一個粗暴的立法上 謝謝好 謝謝沈伯陽委員的發言接下來請王宏威委員發言林柱英委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁非常感謝在在野黨團的努力之下我們陸續的我們透過了軍人待遇條例第五條和第六條分別幫志願役以及義務役來加薪 |
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我們剛才看到討論裡面非常遺憾民進黨用非常多的理由比如說財政問題比如說是沒有好好討論的問題等等其實就是反對軍人加薪民進黨所有的發言以及他們的表決就是反對軍人加薪 |
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民進黨說我們不應該討好軍人請問一下我們為什麼不該討好軍人難道要壓榨軍人嗎我剛才就特別說了賴總統說要把我們的軍費支出提高到GDP的3% |
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而我們現在幫軍人加薪就在GDP的3%裡面如果變成GDP3%要把軍費支出提高超過1000億到7300億之多而我們卻不願意分一些些給我們的軍人加薪請問一下這樣的心態何其殘忍 |
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另外我要再補充民進黨一直說在野黨刪預算我剛才就說了在野黨刪除國防預算其中有一筆是45億元的列銷無人機明明美國報價55億元但是國防部編列高達115億元 |
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增加了多出了60億 要五毛給一塊請問這樣的預算難道不該把關 不該刪減嗎其實連當時的王定宇委員作為召委他都同意呀該刪就應該刪 該給就應該給 |
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为什么到现在为止民进党一方面说要提高国防任性但是大家也看到我们现在军人招募之困难而民进党一直在说大罢免大成功我们非常担心的是不管是劳工的4加1的放假或者军人加薪难道民进党还要搞视线还要来没收吗 |
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15445.426 |
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所以我們要再次的強調我們本來就應該討好軍人激勵軍人的士氣大惡霸若成功軍人家心一場空謝謝謝謝王宏威委員的發言接下來我們請林楚英委員發言徐巧欣委員請準備 |
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| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
15465.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
主席各位立法院的同仁還有在線上直播收看直播的公民朋友我要先講結論 |
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軍人絕對不是國民黨現在為了怕罷免的遮羞布也不應該為了怕罷免把軍人抬出來如果過去你們真的關心的話就像剛剛民進黨的委員所說的馬英九時代151只有6000塊是等到蔡英文總統執政之後才調升到22000元 |
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我要強調的是有關於現在國軍退出役官兵輔導條例的修正案當中是針對上校階級以上退役人員子女恢復教育補助案本席要在這裡表明其實在立法院的國防外交委員會當中 |
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我們曾經討論過而民進黨也支持我們甚至於由召委王定宇來提出一個主決議為什麼用主決議的方式那就是我們認為確實應該給予這些退役的軍人的子女在教育上獲得更多的補助的方案但是我們都知道行政立法各自分權 |
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立法院可以給予建議但是我們不用單刀直入修法的方式這也去過去一直以來我們所強調的我們身為立法委員但是我們尊重行政權因為行政院也確實在討論相關的方案當中 |
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而且本席要特別強調的就是有關於給予退役子女的教育補助這個是對於軍人貢獻的一個部分所以民進黨支持但是我們要重申的是如果今天國民黨是為了怕罷免把所有特定的每一個族群都拿來這裡討論我要講的是軍人重要 |
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公教難道不重要嗎還是說國民黨的研會現在就是來玩一個拿國庫拿全民納稅人來買票的一個做法今天一樣一樣每個職業通通拿出來在這裡做討論這是一個拿全民的納稅人來扛全民之牌只怕自己被罷免 |
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我們要再一次的強調這個案子在委員會當中有討論也有做過組決議行政院也在討論當中所以說國民黨現在就是在玩近乎二讀直接又要用所謂強行表決的方式來碾壓這就是破壞民主所以大罷免必須成功因為這就是守護民主 |
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| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
15649.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
好 謝謝林楚瑩委員的發言接下來請徐巧欣委員發言 汪地委請準備 |
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15676.338 |
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謝謝院長以及所有關心國軍的朋友們我必須先說明如果不是今年二月底的時候我們先率先提出一系列的改革修法的內容那三月底的時候賴清德總統也不會在四月一號的時候趕鴨子上架提出加薪的法案 |
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家的亂七八糟還分成不同的梯次說什麼分第一梯次第二梯次到第二梯次目前沒有看到任何一個影子請搞清楚這個時序那再來呢此案在委員會的時候大家剛都說討論了但是呢當時沒有什麼大罷免所以呢我深深感覺到今天幫國軍加薪是不是民進黨政府不甘不願的施捨 |
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甚至我们现在的案子审到一半刚才卓荣泰院长就说要走复议事宪等等的救济会不会太挤啊那对军人苛刻难道就是民进党抗中保台的态度吗平常需要国军为中华民国做牛做马但是却对一点点的薪水如此苛刻刚才呢中国红熊也是在乱讲 |
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主決議之後退府會根本沒有辦法處理因為行政院不願意每次都說行政院在討論了討論了半天沒有任何一個影子這麼多次的討論都沒有用難道你們不知道嗎請問這些人是要等到什麼時候 |
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我們提出這項條文的增修案非常的明確就是恢復上校階層以上的退休子女補助費為長期服役兼負重任的國軍幹部建立一個合理的制度因為 |
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今生上校代表一位军人他选择长时间的奉献给部队是经验和忠诚的象征然而自民国106学年度以上就排除了这样子的一个补助造成政策的不公平也造成一线军官极大的相对剥夺感 |
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我們都知道上校階層的退伍年齡往往落在40到55歲之間當時他們的子女可能正在讀高中大學家庭經濟最大的一個時間在這個時間點取消補助對於這些長期堅守軍旅的幹部而言是重大的打擊 |
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所以呢其實藍白綠還有退府會都是支持這項法案的但是就是行政院不同意就是不同意說了做了主決議行政院還是完全沒有動靜所以直接立法讓這樣子的一個補助能夠被大家支持被大家接受被大家期待能夠看到成果這就是為什麼我們今天要建這個法的原因所以呢我們要再一次說明 |
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大罷免若成功 台灣民主一場空大惡罷若成功 軍人加薪一場空 謝謝好 謝謝徐巧欣委員的發言接下來我們請王定宇委員發言翁曉琳委員請準備 |
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要怎麼知道加薪或者是所謂的教育子女的補助金是打假球還是玩真的先從立法程序來看走的是合憲合法的立法程序在立法院這個決議才是可以執行的如果按照獨樹果實你用錯誤的方法去推動一個其實多數可以接受的事情那未必可以得到好的結果 |
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根據憲法70條 釋憲391條都告訴你立法院不能單方面做支出增加或提升的決議根據預算法第91條也告訴你這一種增加預算支出的決議必須先徵詢行政院的意見跟看法大家可以討論可目前不管是加薪案 |
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或者是所謂的退伍軍人上校教育子女補助班用近父惡毒沒收討論直接單方面的決議把軍人的福祉放在政黨攻防的戰場上這是不對的這也是不應該的 |
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所以更惡劣的地方是藍白聯手毀憲亂政惡搞預算黑箱通過決議沒收討論激怒了台灣人民讓人民站起來自救的反共護國大罷免結果竟然有人把這一個 |
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綁在那些盡忠職守的軍人不管是薪資或退伍之後的福利把他綁在一起說不要罷免他們這個才不會落空錯了只有大罷免大成功國防戰力才不會破功如果要講要重視軍人訓練裝備油料彈藥軍事投資營區的 |
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改善這些都是重視軍人請問一下藍白立委為什麼要聯手凍結連彈藥都凍結講到待遇誰不重視軍人的待遇了用功一點去看從2017年開始民進黨政府幾乎年年提高軍人的各項家籍以及本縫每一年可以去查一下 |
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在今年的4月1號國軍待遇調整方案實質增加薪資最高到一萬兩千元講到招募成效因為去年底開始討論我們去年留營的意願實質增加3%來到82% |
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遷退不續約的減少325個今年第一季續約的增加1700多位有人說 哎呀是今年藍白立委提案這些方案才推行的我原諒你 因為上一屆你沒有當立委上一屆蔡英文總統就把易烏易的實質薪資從國民黨長期的6500元調高到22000元而且不含加給等等所以不要再 |
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主席還有在座的各位同仁大家好 |
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剛剛之前這個沈波洋委員說這個上個會期國防部看起來就是上個會期在大罷免之前這個曾經有討論過相關的法案那我要說的是在上個會期當時退府 |
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國防部其實都贊成要恢復這個退休上校軍人子女的教育補助費那麼在當時唯一反對的就是民進黨的委員他們全數反對讓這個本來基本上很簡單的法案一直拖拖到今天才要討論才會通過 |
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那麼林楚瑩委員還有王定委員說這當時這個國防他們國防外交委員會都有做決議但是做了決議之後退府會跟國防部他們有提法提相關的修正辦法嗎沒有基本上沒有因為現行政院基本上他們就是為了反對反而反對只要是國民黨提出的扶國立民照顧軍警軍公教的法案他們一律反對 |
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我国宪法征修条文第十条第九项明文规定国家应该要尊重军人对社会的贡献并且对其退役后的就学就养就医就养予以保障军人呢是保卫国家的基石他们常年就负起维护国家安全的重责大任在服役期间无论是警戒待命留守或者是参与演训都必须要长时间的离家牺牲个人的生活付出极大的心力 |
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不僅僅是軍人個人連同軍眷的家屬也都必須承受許多無形的壓力與犧牲因此在軍人退役之後給他們適當的這個幫忙給他們的照顧本來就是應該的這是對他們勞苦崩高的肯定那本席認為對於退出醫官並的照顧應該要一視同仁不應該有明顯的差別待遇在民國106年之前當時給 |
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這個退伍軍人的所有的子女教育補助費是全部都是一視同仁的發給那106年之後民進黨執政了然後才將上校以上的這個子女教育補助費予以排除所以這就是一個不公平不平等的對待 |
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那我们知道随着我国初婚与生育年龄的逐渐延后上校阶子女上校阶军人退休的时候大概是42到54岁其实他们的子女可能都还在读大学或者是读高中的这个阶段仍然是必须要有大量的教育生活支出所以呢本次的修法最主要就是希望能够强化制度的公平性与稳定性借以来提升呃 |
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對於退伍軍人的照顧那麼這個整體的制度是有助於可以未來就是更安定軍心真正能夠落實到尊軍敬軍愛軍的國家核心價值打造一個榮譽照顧病重的國防體系那大罷免若成功國軍照顧好謝謝 |
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谢谢翁晓琳委员的发言接下来我们请陈俊宇委员请发言葛如君委员请准备 |
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主席、各位委員,針對國軍台部條文的修正草案,我們討論了一輩子,看到國民黨委員在這裡講到嘴角轉破,看來他們是憤怒自己,讓民眾觀感不好的思維比較穩定。 |
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一個好的裝潑室我們要資償是給他這個好的新租的條件所以不給他好的室宅、好的調味的配料甚至不給他好的裝備你要求他辦出一套密密刻刻的菜餚是否有可能各位我們回頭回來看過去國民黨 |
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所執政做不夠的國軍新竹條件民進黨這幾年執政已經做夠在這要活躍在野黨不要在這好笑說一大堆勇敢來面對現實民進黨執政是專民性的合理的條件還要讓他有充足的裝備這是真的要照顧我們的國軍 |
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針對這項議案,過去中校、高校、醫學已經有相當相關的資歷、教育補助,並且在老總統就職後推動蘇立大學一年減免三萬五千塊的學習費,減輕了蘇校學費當中的負擔。 |
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但是有必要以修法的方式來奉勸主力、教育補助成年人的對象我想要請大家認真來思考這陣因為國家資源憂寒政府應該推動公平理性平衡的福利設施 |
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這可以達到最大的效應我們對於英民的照顧也不只在主力教育補助這方面還要有職業輔導醫療照顧進修資源等等在想法上我們也提供全民的服務這可以達到全民照顧天后群人的良性目標 |
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我們當然要支持共法對於英民英權的照顧但是我們也希望政策可以兼顧到自然有效的分配讓每一個英民英權都可以接觸到國家當局的支持和照顧不只青春、蔡奇耀、華記在這裡 |
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做這個政敵的功夫 為我們原先 良先的一個出點這是我感覺比較危險的地方修好民主 請人民看好清楚好 謝謝陳俊宇委員的發言接下來我們請葛如君委員發言 陳冠廷委員請準備 |
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主席各位委員大家好退役上校子女教育補助費從民國106年8月1號遭到行政院人事行政總署刪除以後民間就不斷有傳出要恢復的聲音然而歷屆的退府會主委對此也都表達要支持要恢復上校皆領奉人員子女教育輔助 |
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但是這8年來人總不斷以橫貧為理由拒絕恢復這對軍人來說合理嗎軍人通常需要24小時待命長時間需要面對高強度具危險性的工作而且退休年齡又叫公務人員更早以上校為例退休時常介於50歲左右 |
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這個時候又正是他們的子女正在念高中或大學的階段在沒有子女教育補助費的情況之下只要有兩名子女就讀私立大學上校的退休份額就將比中校還要少 |
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這樣公平嗎就退府會來推估恢復退伍上校階以上子女教育補助費僅需要增加5105萬4000元的經費反觀今年編列的國防預算高達6400億元與其相比只佔了0.0078% |
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用這樣的預算來換回軍人的信任增加他們的安定感安心感難道不是國安難道不划算嗎為了這樣的預算讓退伍幹部心寒讓現役官兵動搖值得嗎用這樣一筆錢就能夠讓辛苦服役25到30年的幹部安心的讓孩子完成高中大學教育何樂而不為呢 |
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此法通過將可以帶來多重效益第一讓社會看見退伍不等於被遺忘延續民進軍軍愛民的正向循環第二給現役中高階軍官一個明確的訊號未來退伍以後國家仍然在你的身後請安心留營專心帶兵 |
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第三落實真正的世代正義各位都知道孩子在高中大學階段的開銷最大對軍官家庭而言這筆補助不是特權而是基本的生活保障 |
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我們希望能夠懇請大家支持這次的修法我們不能讓他們為孩子的學費發愁我們一起支持讓軍人可以無後顧之憂的守護國家讓我們的國防制度更加的完整大二霸若成功台灣民主一場空謝謝 |
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謝謝葛如君委員的發言抱怨會呼籲下我們已經講已經呼籲已經聲明過1點30分要進行處理所有的委員盡情在1點30分以前趕到一場接下來我們請陳冠廷委員發言丁薛忠委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁大家好關於國民黨團提出的這個國軍退役官兵輔導條例那增進了第二次提早之二的條文草案那要求民定退役官兵的子女的教育輔助那我必須保達比較審慎一點的立場這項政策適不適合直接入法需要謹慎的評估不應該經過 |
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沒有足夠的這種在委員會的討論就直接冒然入法因為直接入法它會讓政策失去彈性其實政策跟法律它不見得是一定要放在一起的很多東西能夠透過政策的方式去調整的話因應財政的變化去做調整的話我想會對國家的這個彈性會更大各位都知道國家的財政是有它的週期性的 |
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有寬裕的時候它也有緊縮的時期那可能在近八年 近九年大家可能習慣台灣的黃金十年在黃金十年裡面不管是我們的經濟成長我們的產業成長我們的稅收成長大家或許是習慣但是 |
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我們也有緊縮的時期喔大家回想在馬英九時期那八年那時候的財政是困難的時候政府是會動彈不得的如果我們把所有的福利設施都寫進法律的話財政困難政府就沒有辦法去執行這些政策相反的當財政政策改善的時候當財政的狀況改善的時候我們也沒有辦法快速的來去提升輔助標準來去更好的照顧我們退役官兵這種僵化的做法我認為 |
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不見得有利於退休官兵的長遠利益 |
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那目前的做法是由輔導會依據行政院的規定來執行這樣的機制其實到目前它是運作良好的它能夠根據國家的整體財政狀況物價水準、經濟發展等因素適時的去調整輔助標準這種行政的彈性那會對退役的這些官兵它的幫助會更大除此之外我們還必須要考慮軍、工、教它的橫平性 |
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退役軍人的福利政策他必須要跟退休的公教人員的福利我們必須要通盤的去考量他不能夠造成執域之間的不公平這需要行政院跨部門的通盤研議不是零星的零碎的修法各位同仁照顧退役的官兵是我們的責任但是我希望我們用正確的方法不要讓政策僵化入法 |
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我們要保持適度的彈性讓政府能夠因時制宜在財政允許的範圍內給予退役官兵最好的照顧我相信這才是最負責任的做法謝謝大家好 謝謝陳冠廷委員的發言發言會吳佩儀委員發表聲明對今日之表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄請丁學忠委員發言郭玉琴委員請準備 |
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16862.386 |
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感謝主席 各位同仁今天討論國軍退出役官軍輔導條例過去政府大砍軍公教退休金連同把退休人員的身份區別忠孝以上的人員使用補助費取消政府嘴巴說感謝 |
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16905.132 |
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國軍鼓勵保家衛國犧牲貢獻人在終於能退伍後又說他們拿太多一刀切一部分人的子女補助費當初這些軍人不能領教育補助也沒有說明理由政府既然 |
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16921.924 |
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照顧軍人依照身份差別我們要說 既然照顧退休人員就不應該有分別 今年為了選舉我們教育部已經提供一萬人特工修律代學的經費補助 |
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16944.862 |
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如果廣州民眾僵傾負擔身為各自的政府,不是應該要來照顧到平常是國家為國的退休訓練嗎?雙方退休人員相對對群體的孤獨感恢復,我們退休雙方以上的出入,夠了孤獨費 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
16946.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
16962.237 |
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有幫助於優質人力 長久的使用維持部隊安定 符合均衡的原則過去年底 三讀四讀的國際會 更符合我們教育軍人的精神軍人工作屬性活動 |
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對於這個行政公告有關,對於這個行為每一年5到5千萬的過程以上,應該透過法案依據,讓他們有應該有的這個過程,透過這個修法,修復各套的基礎規定,傳達一個訊息,國家要跟你們說一句話,也願意照顧你們的家人, |
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軍人知道 退休後 國家一樣願意照顧他們家庭和家屬的教育就這樣對軍人就是最大的安定這不能夠提升到軍人對軍旅的信任也能讓我們未來的年輕人願意走到軍中我們相信 讓退休軍人感受到未照顧 |
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會讓他們的軍人更加有信心也讓他們更加有多少年輕人願意倒立這個軍旅的生活因為你知道只要好好服役國家就不會給他們虧待我會照顧你們最在意的家人大家有話想說 台灣民主一中堪謝謝 |
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17043.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
17050.759 |
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好 謝謝丁薛忠委員的發言接下來請郭鈺晴委員發言 羅廷偉委員請準備 |
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17063.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
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主席各位同仁大家好我想這一條呢是關於國軍退出義官兵輔導條例第27條之二那強調的是針對退伍軍人他們的子女教育補助的一個問題 |
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這個修法簡單來講啊就是國民黨他們希望把這個退伍的軍人他們的子女的補助的方式來比照其他軍公教的定額補助這聽起來好像有在爭取他們的權益但我真的想要問這樣真的有比較公平嗎真的有比較好嗎 |
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第一大家要知道這個軍職跟文職公務人員其實本來就不一樣那現役的這個軍人他們在退伍之後的一個教育的補助其實是依照他們的服役的年資退伍的條件另外還有他的關節等等不同的情況來發 |
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那這樣子呢其實是比較合理的但是現在這個提案呢其實就是想要一刀切那全部如果比照類似公務人員的一個制度反而會有更多人受影響更何況 |
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民進黨執政之後其實我們的私校生一年減免三萬五千最多的一個學雜費那第二點包含學貸經濟的措施放寬還有申請門檻延長以及還款的時間那另外呢還有大專院校他們住宿的一個補貼每個人每學期從五千提高到七千 |
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| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
17176.624 |
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第二這樣子的修法有可能也會排擠掉其他軍人該要有的福利因為政府的預算其實就這麼多如果開了哪一項某項的補助開了大門那其他的項目是不是同樣的會被壓縮呢我們當然會希望照顧到更多的退伍軍人跟現役軍人的整體照護 |
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第三其實退伏費已經有在行政上的一個彈性處理機制了那麼遇到特別的一些情況是有空間可以來做協助的而不需要把所有的細節全部寫死到法律當中那反而會讓制度更為僵硬那麼將來如果要調整的話也會更加的麻煩跟困難 |
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最後我要說我們非常尊敬國軍也支持給退伍軍人他們合理的照顧還包含他們的家人但是修法我們要看整體的制度還有公平性那這次的這個提案我們當然認為是不夠的完整那麼也可能會製造所謂的制度上的混亂跟預算上的一個壓力但是呢現在我們看到如果沒有坐下來好好的討論怎麼樣讓制度的更好 |
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他們現在是面對大罷免31比0就開支票提出混亂的修法提案在這裡我還是要奉勸藍白要注意因為我們的公民的力量是最大的大罷免大成功 |
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上校以上的軍官在國軍體系中扮演著重要的領導角色負責部隊訓練指揮作戰規劃其專業的素養跟經驗對國防安全至關重要然而現行的規定自民國106年8月1日起僅有中校以下退伍軍官可以申請子女的教育補助上校以上被排除在外 |
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這項政策導致部分高階軍官因家庭壓力經濟可能的因素選擇了提早退伍影響國軍高階人才的流用與穩定我們要正視軍人的特殊性在服役期間就是承擔了高風險的任務時時待命 |
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退役後仍要面對家庭生計還有子女的教養壓力他們為國奉獻犧牲不該在退伍的時候被制度遺忘此次國軍退出一官兵條例我們相關增訂的第27條之二條文讓符合退休奉 散養金 生活補助資格這樣的退役官兵其子女能夠重新獲得教育補助 |
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17367.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
有助於提升軍職的吸引力鼓勵優秀人才能夠留久能夠常用讓我們確保國軍領導階層的專業經濟以及相關的經驗傳承進而強化國家整體防衛實力讓軍人家庭安心讓軍職制度穩定也讓長期服役成為值得的選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
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17391.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
剛剛不斷有人一直在講 藍白 藍白 藍白但是他卻沒有看到退府會從107年以來已經7次爭取恢復上校以上退役軍官子女的教育補助是退府會 退府會 是退府會 |
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17393.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
17409.246 |
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107年以來七次爭取我們捍衛的是軍人家庭的尊嚴是國家對這些忠肝義膽的人基本的保護要件國家不能只有在軍人需要他們的時候才記得 |
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| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
17426.594 |
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也要在他們退下戰袍的時候繼續記得繼續照顧這不只是對軍人的承諾更是對下一代從軍者的鼓勵大惡霸若成功國軍退除一官兵的權益一場空好 謝謝羅廷維委員的發言 |
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17432.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
17447.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
報案院會現在時間1點21分我們在9分鐘之後即將要開始進行處理提醒各位委員儘速回到議場接下來請范雲委員發言馬文君委員請準備 |
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17454.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
17469.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
今天這案就是國民黨怕罷免的象徵國民黨口口聲聲說軍公教的權益只有他們在乎事實上國民黨只有到罷免的時候才想到要割軍公教的韭菜 |
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17470.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
17490.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
軍公教的福利民進黨不是遇到選舉才做而是平常就在努力剛剛我們很多委員提到民進黨執政下我們今年達成21世紀以來首次連年調薪去年民進黨政府幫軍公教加薪4%今年再幫軍公教加薪3%從蔡總統到現在賴總統執政 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
17494.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
17509.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
民進黨已經調薪四次反觀國民黨馬英九執政八年只有調薪一次所以國民黨說的在乎軍公教到底在哪裡我還要戳破國民黨的謊言等一下要投的這個案子 |
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| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
其實應該放在行政命令依財政調整再退出於官兵輔導條例的修正如同剛剛翁小林講的他說是要為上校以上退伍軍人可以請領子女的教育補助各位 |
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| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
民進黨當然在乎軍人子女的教育補助 |
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| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
17579.385 |
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每年3.5萬剛剛國務卿委員也已經告訴大家如果是弱勢再增加2萬民進黨做到了國民黨沒有所以我們可以看到今天國民黨是因為大罷免情勢危急了才突然想到要透過這種沒有實質對子女教育有影響的肉桶法案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
17607.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
如果國民黨真的是關心國安關心國防為何在很多的國家要增加國防預算的時候他還煽動國防預算為什麼在我們提案要加強國安的時候他要擋國安我呼籲大家這種到了罷免的時候才想要把軍人當成選票提款機的政黨我們一定要用選票下架他們我們一起大罷免大成功 |
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| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
好 谢谢范云委员的发言接下来我们请马文君委员发言罗美林委员请准备 |
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| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
謝謝主席 各位同仁 大家好對於今日提案恢復退役上校階以上子女教育補助費議案這是國家正式軍人貢獻的一個具體表現它不是新的法律提案而是這個是恢復他們過去應有的福利 |
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| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
國軍上校階以上人員在國軍各部隊當中他都是擔任重要的職務而且也是維持國軍戰力的主要支柱根據統計軍人的出婚年齡是比較晚的所以以上校階為例退休的時候通常是介於42歲到54歲之間 |
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| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
子女才剛念高中或大學與公務人員可以65歲退休子女大概也都完成了學業兩者是不可以比擬的而國防部上校階以上的退役軍人用一生守護台灣的安全當他們退役以後我們卻取消他們子女的教育補助這不僅是福利的縮減更是對責任不對等的一個默許 |
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另外以114年中央政府整體預算支出大概2兆9千多億元來說今天通過恢復退役商校接以上子女教育補助費以按他要增加的經費大概只有5105萬4千元這個不會對政府整體預算造成多大的影響 |
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這筆錢大概是什麼概念就是等同於我們每個人每年少喝一杯手搖飲的支出可是卻可以支持大概500名軍人子女從國小到大學的這個教育這項提案是台灣可負擔的國安投資 |
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17736.181 |
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我相信今天如果通過商校接以上退役軍人子女教育補助費的這個法案更是社會正義的一個具體的一個展現軍人家庭不應該被犧牲因為國軍尤其是高階軍官在服役的時候駐守部隊外導演訓待命常常必須拋家棄子 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
17758.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
17780.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
錯過子女的成長當他們把自己十幾二十多年的青春歲月奉獻給國家退役以後因為年齡過高軍中跟民間專長的銜接是具有差異的問題另外政府還以打擊肥貓的名義限制他們在任公職或者轉任政府捐助的財團法人或政府轉投資事業職務讓很多高階退伍軍人 |
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17810.697 |
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反而成為社會上的弱勢許多人大概也只能靠退休金生活過去卻因為階級門檻被排除在教育補助的這個部分也剝奪了軍人對國家的信任這次恢復可以讓保家衛國四個字不再流於口號也讓軍人可以感受到國家不會忘記守護他的人並且對於退出義官兵在軍 |
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17818.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
17847.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
謝謝馬文君委員的發言報言會依照黨團共事本案定於下午1點30分進行表決廣泛討論進行到羅美玲委員發言完畢為止已經登記廣泛討論及三讀後發言之委員沒有來得及發言者其書面發言意見均補列入公報記錄我們現在請今天最後一位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
17848.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
17848.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
羅美玲委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
17860.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
17882.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
謝謝主席 各位同仁對於國軍退出與官兵的照顧相信不論朝野都沒有其見尤其榮民跑者們一生奉獻退休後仍值得國家以實際政策持續關懷不過我們今天所面對的不只是一項照顧措施同時也是涉及憲政運作與制度設計的法律修正 |
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17883.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
17905.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
國民黨所提出的草案表面上看似單純延伸照顧範疇那從立法技術與憲政體制來看恐怕需要我們更加審慎的看待那首先呢國民黨並沒有說明增加的預算要從哪裡來財政紀律法第五條明定立法委員提案制定或修正法律案有增加政府稅數或減少政府稅入者 |
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17908.081 |
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17935.837 |
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因具体指明这个资金的来源可是我们从国民党的这草案里面完全没有看到他们这个裁员到底要从哪里来也就是说国民党乱开支票政府自己想办法那其次呢财政纪律法第七条也清楚的指出不得透过法律或法规设置固定经费额度或比率保障或将政府既有收入呢转为专款专用的基金模式 |
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17936.357 |
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17951.972 |
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而且依说法第91条明定防立法机关所提法律案如果涉及新增税出或减少税入应事先征询这个行政院的意见那最后呢军公教之间的公平性也是一大问题那目前呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
17952.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
17969.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
退休軍公教的待遇調整是需要考量財政物價民間的薪資等多個因素的細緻工作這不僅是為了確保國家財政的穩定也是為求軍公教之間能夠有個公平的待遇那如果這次修法僅對於 |
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17971.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
17994.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
國軍退役官兵進行調整而忽略了退休的警消公務人員也有子女教育的需求就會形成軍公教監的不平等嚴重影響其他公務人員的權益我們支持照顧人民的立場始終是如一的可是在程序跟制度面還是要尊重行政的裁量 |
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18020.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
所以先前王定宇委員在外交國防委員會當州委的時候已經也都做成了主決議所以可以保留政策的彈性避免強行入法的方式要求行政機關調整政策破壞憲政分工跟財政的紀律所以我們在這裡要呼籲國民黨的委員不要怕被罷免然後這時候才想到軍人大罷免大成功 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
18021.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
18038.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
好 謝謝羅美玲委員的發言拜會 我們現在開始進行逐條討論增訂第27條之二請宣讀各黨團版本其餘提案條文列入公報記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
18040.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
18067.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
國民黨黨團再修正統議第27條之二退出於國安兵符合之領退休奉順養金及生活補助費之人員及子女教育補助費由輔導會會同教育部頂之宣讀完畢報告聯會我們現在依序進行表決如果其中有任何一案通過我們就不再處理其他案 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
18069.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
18092.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
現在我們表決國民黨黨團再修正動議條文現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決時間一分鐘 贊成國民黨團再修正動議條文 請按贊成反對 請按反對現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
18164.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
18169.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
報議會報告表決結果在場出席委員106位贊成57位反對49位贊成者多數 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
18181.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
18191.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
增訂第二十七條之二,照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過,法院會全案已經經過二讀,現有國民黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀,請問院會沒有異議,請宣讀經過二讀這條文。 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
18200.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
18212.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
第二十七条之二退出于官兵符合支领退休奉赡养经济生活补助费之人员其子女教育补助费由辅导会会同教育部顶支宣传完毕 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
18214.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
18232.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
報告院會三讀條文已宣讀完畢請問院會有沒有文字修正沒有文字修正報告院會現由民進黨黨團依照立法院職權新施法第十一條規定提請將全案表附表決我們現在進行全案表決 |
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18233.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
18242.662 |
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贊成全案通過者請按贊成反對者請按反對棄權者請按棄權民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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18320.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
18332.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
包委員會廖偉祥委員發表聲明剛才表決與國民黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄我們現在報告表決結果出席委員107位贊成58位反對49位贊成者多數全案表決通過 |
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18356.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
18379.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
好 謝謝現在我們做以下決議國軍退除官兵輔導條例增訂第27條之二條文修正通過我們進入討論事項第六案貨物稅條例部分條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
18380.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
18403.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
財政委員會於114年4月23日 舉行全英委員會議進行審查會議均由賴肇行委員事保擔任主席才宣布李政務次長 慶華等分別應要列席說明備詢與委員與聽取說明須打擊大體討論後對法案進行審查經在場委員充分溝通即時將本案審查完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
18404.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
18416.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
原金決議並安理據審查報告提報院會本案於院會進行研究前須交由黨團協商院會討論本案時由賴兆景原事報補充說明宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
18490.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
18516.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
好 謝謝 謝謝報言會劉書斌委員發表聲明對剛才表決與台灣民眾黨團意見一致列入公報報言會黃仁委員張家俊委員發表聲明對剛才表決與國民黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄現在我們請召集委員賴世保委員補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
18517.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
18539.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
沒有補充說明本案今天審查會決議須交由黨團協商另外張志倫委員等林倩琦委員等王玉銘委員等蔡易瑜委員等武力華委員等游皓委員等分別提案經過第三會期第十二次會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
18541.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
18568.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
及第十四次會議決定進覆二讀與相關提案並按協商另外邱若驊委員等行政院陳俊宇委員等分別提案經第三會期第十三次會議決定自委員會抽出進覆二讀與相關提案並按協商委員會本案現已完成協商請宣讀協商結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
18572.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
18585.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
立法院超越黨團協商結論實踐一百十四年六月五日星期四上午九十四分地點群學樓九樓大禮堂協商主題貨物稅條例部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
18586.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
18603.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
寫上結論一 第十一條之一 照行政院提案修正通過如後附二 第十一條 第十二條之五 第十二條之六及第三十七條均維持現行條文寫上主持人賴思寶 寫上代表副分級王洪維 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
18604.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
18606.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
請問院會對以上協商結論有無異議沒有異議本案逐條討論時進一協商結論我們進行處理現在進行逐條討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
18630.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
18659.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
第十一条维持现行条文请宣读第十一条之一第十一条之一自中华民国一百十四年六月十五日起至一百十八年十二月三十一日止购买经经济部核定能源效率分级为第一级或第二级之新电冰箱新冷暖气机或新厨师机非公销售前卫退货或换货者该等货物应征之货物税每台减征税额以新台币二千元为限 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
18660.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
18689.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
並按電冰箱冷暖氣機除濕機檢證貨物稅稅額表規定檢證之前項檢證貨物稅稅額應由買售人申請退還前二項電冰箱冷暖氣機除濕機檢證貨物稅稅額表檢證貨物稅案件之申請期限程序應檢附證明文件以退稅額之追繳及其他相關事項之辦法由財政部會同經濟部定之宣讀完畢照協商條文通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
18691.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
18702.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
邱志偉的邱委員邱志偉發表聲明對剛才表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄請宣讀第12條之五 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
18706.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
18717.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
維持現行條文第十二條之六維持現行條文第三十七條維持現行條文報告院會全案已經經過二讀現有民進黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有異議沒有異議我們請宣讀經過二讀這條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
18726.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
18749.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
第十一條之一自中華民國一百十四年六月十五日起至一百十八年十二月三十一日至購買經經濟部核定能源效率分級為第一級或第二級之新電冰箱新冷暖氣機或新除濕機非供銷售且未退貨或換貨者該等貨物應徵之貨物稅每台減徵稅額以新台幣二千元為限 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
18750.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
18776.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
並按電冰箱冷暖氣機除濕機檢證貨物稅稅額表規定檢證之前項檢證貨物稅稅額應由買售人申請退還前二項電冰箱冷暖氣機除濕機檢證貨物稅稅額表檢證貨物稅案件之申請期限程序應檢附證明文件以退稅額之追繳及其他相關事項之辦法由財政部會同經濟部定之宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
18779.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
18791.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
法院院會三讀條文宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正沒有文字修正我們現在做以下決議戶稅條例第十一條之一條文修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
18796.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
18818.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
會議會我們討論事項第七案之第九案有待協商原定於下午兩點半召開之黨團協商會議以黨團共事我們定於下午三點三十分進行召開請各黨團幹部屆時至本院紅樓302會議室進行協商另外請程旭委員會於院會休息後至紅樓201會議室進行程旭委員會會議現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
31079.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
31088.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
好 谢谢好 谢谢现在议场只有一位陈培勇委员 谢谢报告委员会我们现在继续开会本次会议没有委员提出临时提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
31089.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
31113.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
我们不进行临时提案之处理现在进行讨论事项第七案中央政府前瞻基础建设计划第五期特别预算案114年度本案经第三会期第13次会议决议协商后再行处理报院会我们本案也经协商做以下决议定于6月13号星期五院会进行处理 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
31115.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
31137.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
我們現在進入討論事項第八案114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算及終極表營業及非營業部分本案經第三會期第十三次會議決議協商後再行處理因上代協商現在作以下決議協商後再行處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
31139.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
31164.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
我們進入討論事項第九案本院國民黨團針對第十一屆第三會期第九次會議包括事項第二案院會所作之決定提出復議請公決案本案經第三會期第十次會議決議令定期處理法院會本案依黨團共事現在作以下決議定於六月十三號星期五院會進行處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
31166.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
31167.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
我們現在 散會 |