| IVOD_ID |
167367 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167367 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第20次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第20次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-30T17:47:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-30T17:50:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:03:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e337dede71696a971dc3d59a4170e834f610852d0c756f8fa4e4e6542f705ec091b1f0c7435980ee5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:47:30 - 17:50:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第20次會議(事由:一、討論事項:本院國民黨黨團,建請院會作成決議,針對115年度中央政府總預算案中,攸關重大民生之新興資本支出及新增計畫之部分,於電視台舉行三場全國轉播的辯論會,由「國民黨黨團三長VS行政院三長」方式進行。是否有當?請公決案等2案。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、下午5時至6時為處理臨時提案時間。) |
| transcript.pyannote[0].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[0].start |
9.83534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[0].end |
11.03346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[1].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[1].start |
11.77596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[1].end |
14.57721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[2].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[2].start |
15.64034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[2].end |
17.37846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[3].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[3].start |
17.88471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[3].end |
18.88034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[4].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[4].start |
19.70721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[4].end |
21.37784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[5].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[5].start |
21.95159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[5].end |
25.91721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[6].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[6].start |
26.22096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[6].end |
26.92971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[7].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[7].start |
27.62159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[7].end |
28.48221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[8].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[8].start |
29.34284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[8].end |
29.86596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[9].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[9].start |
30.38909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[9].end |
31.73909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[10].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[10].start |
32.53221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[10].end |
33.96659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[11].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[11].start |
34.42221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[11].end |
35.75534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[12].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[12].start |
36.68346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[12].end |
39.45096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[13].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[13].start |
40.19346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[13].end |
40.48034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[14].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[14].start |
41.29034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[14].end |
42.37034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[15].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[15].start |
42.74159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[15].end |
43.66971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[16].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[16].start |
44.37846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[16].end |
46.84221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[17].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[17].start |
47.78721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[17].end |
49.37346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[18].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[18].start |
50.08221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[18].end |
54.36846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[19].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[19].start |
54.46971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[19].end |
56.49471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[20].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[20].start |
57.55784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[20].end |
59.31284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[21].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[21].start |
60.61221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[21].end |
61.74284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[22].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[22].start |
61.92846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[22].end |
63.26159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[23].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[23].start |
64.00409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[23].end |
67.10909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[24].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[24].start |
67.98659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[24].end |
68.42534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[25].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[25].start |
69.38721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[25].end |
72.13784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[26].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[26].start |
72.82971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[26].end |
73.63971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[27].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[27].start |
74.41596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[27].end |
75.74909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[28].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[28].start |
76.59284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[28].end |
78.80346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[29].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[29].start |
79.61346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[29].end |
81.68909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[30].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[30].start |
82.48221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[30].end |
83.88284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[31].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[31].start |
83.96721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[31].end |
84.00096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[32].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[32].start |
84.16971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[32].end |
87.71346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[33].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[33].start |
88.38846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[33].end |
92.16846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[34].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[34].start |
92.35409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[34].end |
93.31596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[35].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[35].start |
93.97409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[35].end |
106.30971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[36].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[36].start |
106.88346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[36].end |
110.00534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[37].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[37].start |
110.47784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[37].end |
114.74721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[38].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[38].start |
115.37159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[38].end |
119.18534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[39].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[39].start |
119.50596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[39].end |
120.85596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[40].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[40].start |
121.24409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[40].end |
122.81346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[41].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[41].start |
122.91471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[41].end |
124.83846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[42].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[42].start |
125.41221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[42].end |
132.49971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[43].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[43].start |
133.05659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[43].end |
135.09846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[44].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[44].start |
135.38534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[44].end |
139.19909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[45].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[45].start |
140.46471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[45].end |
143.33346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[46].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[46].start |
144.07596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[46].end |
146.01659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[47].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[47].start |
146.64096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[47].end |
148.29471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[48].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[48].start |
149.05409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[48].end |
150.55596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[49].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[49].start |
151.06221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[49].end |
152.47971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[50].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[50].start |
153.30659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[50].end |
156.32721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[51].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[51].start |
156.95159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[51].end |
158.01471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[52].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[52].start |
158.52096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[52].end |
158.84159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[53].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[53].start |
159.07784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[53].end |
161.87909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[54].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[54].start |
162.33471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[54].end |
162.90846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[55].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[55].start |
163.27971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[55].end |
167.61659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[56].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[56].start |
168.24096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[56].end |
173.15159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[57].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[57].start |
173.48909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[57].end |
176.32409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[58].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[58].start |
176.81346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[58].end |
179.91846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[59].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[59].start |
180.64409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[59].end |
190.98846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[60].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[60].start |
191.39346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[60].end |
194.92034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[61].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[61].start |
196.55721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[61].end |
201.75471875 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].start |
9.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].end |
35.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].text |
主席各位同仁今天我在這個地方要提出一個很嚴肅的問題如果今天這些補助款都算是不是原來進入助理的這個戶頭這樣的程序而算到是我們每一個委員的補助款那請問我們這個實質收入如果當作是薪資那就是要課稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].start |
36.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
59.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].text |
那我請問經過我們的戶頭我們再撥給助理那我們的所得是算多少剛剛吳士耀委員講說要算不清楚這個造成一個危險喔就是我們每個月的收入從現在的薪資十幾萬將近二十萬有可能一下跳升到七十幾萬這個所得稅繳下來不得了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
60.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
81.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
到時候要撥給助理的助理仍然要給他如果是有認真在做的立委但是問題是因為進到我們戶頭的總共就是這些錢就是一個月七十幾萬那我們就要用七十幾萬課所得稅喔因為薪資所得不可能不課稅啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
82.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
104.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
那在這樣的狀況之下我們的所得稅幾乎每一個人都會變成48的計算額度所以我在這個地方很嚴肅的講說這個東西要釐清我舉個例子我們的補助費 譬如說我們的服務處的補助一個月的租金兩萬塊那個是要拿我們的房租的契約讓立法院直接把那個錢撥給房東 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
106.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
131.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
不是經過我們立法委員之後再付給房東欸凡是進入我們的戶頭我們講不清楚的全部都是我們的薪資欸那這樣的情況之下當然助理他領到多少薪水他也是要繳稅變成兩個人課稅我要先課一遍然後給助理的助理再課一遍這所得稅算下來喔如果照目前算法最寬廣來講每一個人幾乎都要繳到40%的所得稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
133.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
155.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
那不得了 這樣我們要一個月我們領的薪水拿光拿來繳所得稅可能都不夠所以我在這個地方很嚴正的提出我的要求如果你這個東西硬要通過的話我助理的費用我不要進入我個人的戶頭你們要怎麼處理你們處理你們要怎麼要照這個法律你們去處理但是不可以進我的戶頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
156.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
167.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
我繼續領這個了解因為這個進到我的屋頭之後這個所得稅就不得了造成這個將來這個稅捐上面的這個爭執啊會搞不清楚狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
168.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
193.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
所以我在這個地方再一次的講這個問題一定要釐清因為這涉及到我們每一個人的權益問題如果今天是確實因為我賺到的錢我繳稅不要緊但是我的助理費用經過我木頭撥給助理造成我變成要繳所得稅的話因為你算不清楚你沒有講清楚哪一部分是助理的哪一部分是立委的那變成我沒有事實上沒有賺這個錢就要繳這個稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
196.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
198.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
好 謝謝吳秉瑞委員發言 謝謝接下來我們請郭鈺清委員發言 吳立華委員請準備 |