| IVOD_ID |
167364 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167364 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第20次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第20次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-30T17:37:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-30T17:40:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:03:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e337dede71696a9772fc0dc36240cc79f610852d0c756f8fa4e4e6542f705ec0d60c73881cc9b1c65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈伯洋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:37:06 - 17:40:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第20次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團，建請院會作成決議，針對115年度中央政府總預算案中，攸關重大民生之新興資本支出及新增計畫之部分，於電視台舉行三場全國轉播的辯論會，由「國民黨黨團三長VS行政院三長」方式進行。是否有當？請公決案等2案。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、下午5時至6時為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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各位同仁關於這一次助理費的修法大家要去看這整個歷史的脈絡 |
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大家應該還記得這個高鴻安案利用人頭的助理然後到最後再請助理費把它繳回到自己的口袋這個在我們的法律上就叫做侵占就叫做詐領助理費為什麼?因為你根本沒有真的助理的事實結果卻用這樣的方式詐領國家所補助的助理的費用 |
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那高雄灣的案件呢當時進行到一半的時候結果法院去函給立法院問立法院說請問這一個助理費的性質到底是什麼這個助理費到底是國家的還是立法委員的後來呢我們的立法院的回覆說這個是立法委員的那法院就說那既然按照立法院都自己講說這個是立法委員的錢那立法委員怎麼會自己侵占自己的錢自己騙自己的錢呢 |
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所以到最後呢在這一個案子的這一個部分就變成無罪這是立法院目前給法院的見解而這完全違背了一直以來最高法院的見解所以呢在這個狀況之下呢 |
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國民黨提出了修法提出了兩個不同的版本但這兩個版本殊途同歸他們的目的都只有一個不管他上面定的再怎麼華麗他的定性就只有一個就是他要把助理的費用定性成是立法委員的費用 |
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那這樣立法委員再怎麼去侵佔自己助理的費用再怎麼去侵吞叫他繳回這個人頭助理都不會有犯罪的認定啊這個就是這個法案最主要的陽謀那我必須要說呢我們在協商的過程呢國民黨不斷的說這個就是為了助理好啊讓他們有更多的家籍啊 |
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就算我們用最好心的狀態去判斷國民黨委員的內心其實要解決這個爭議非常簡單直接一個修正動議直接就寫在法條上面說即使現在法條修成這個樣子但如果你今天是虛報人頭你今天如果是叫助理繳回 |
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如果你今天有這些狀況仍舊回歸貪污治罪條例處理仍舊回歸刑法公務員登載不實公務員登載不實罪處理如果能夠把這個定在那邊那簡單啊那因為就表示你已經表達這個立場這根本就不是為了助理費的除罪話這樣不就解決了嗎 |
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但是從協商開始一直到現在我提出這樣的意見沒有得到任何的回應沒有人敢把侵占助理費事犯罪寫在法條上面連這件事情都不敢那很明顯這個法條這一個修法是為了什麼我認為是昭然若揭謝謝謝謝沈伯陽委員的發言接下來我們請莊瑞雄委員發言莊瑞雄委員發言莊瑞雄 |