| IVOD_ID |
167359 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167359 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第20次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第20次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-30T16:16:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-30T16:19:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:03:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e337dede71696a97ce87fa247124eaa9f610852d0c756f8f6b7e97e25e83200c89e2bfcd57ebc68f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:16:05 - 16:19:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第20次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團，建請院會作成決議，針對115年度中央政府總預算案中，攸關重大民生之新興資本支出及新增計畫之部分，於電視台舉行三場全國轉播的辯論會，由「國民黨黨團三長VS行政院三長」方式進行。是否有當？請公決案等2案。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、下午5時至6時為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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今天是這個會期最後一天而且談的是舊國團請大家情緒可以輕鬆一點轉型正義不應該是勝利者也不應該是執政黨的片面正義更不能淪為清算或者是鬥爭 |
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應該要尊重歷史的真相也要尊重多數民眾的情感修國團對很多台灣民眾來講就是一個甜美回憶跟公義的總和很多台灣人 |
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從小學的時候 國中 到大學 一直到成年很多人都參加過文藝營 戰鬥營 夏令營 北橫縱走啊甚至在那邊交到一輩子志同道合的好朋友大家想起救火團是一個快樂的象徵直到現在還有人在下面叫 |
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這個時間點救火團還辦了非常多開心歡樂的活動更重要的救火團辦了很多的公益耶在疫情期間救火團率先站出來 |
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他把建壇青年活動中心作為防疫旅館在去年丹納斯風災的時候還有花蓮災情嚴重的時候他們跟鏟子超人一樣在救災啊大家回想一下你印象中的救火團是做了非常多的公益你從歷史的角度去看救火團是行政院在民國41年開始推動它隸屬在哪一個單位 |
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國防部歷史在國防部到了民國18年他轉型作為公益的民間團體到了民國78年人民團體組織法成立以後他登記為全台灣第一個社團法人現在不當黨產委員會過度的擴權 |
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把救火團列為不當黨產現在他的資產已經全部被凍結了每辦個活動包括他的活動執行業務你要做公益喔事先都要送到不當黨產委員會去審核以後才可以執行 |
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這對整個公益的推動是一個很大的傷害所以民眾黨跟國民黨今天我們提出修正案我們把曾經隸屬於國家者就是舊國團以前一開始是隸屬於國防部不再實現希望以後讓舊國團不要受到不當財產委員會 |
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好 謝謝謝謝張委員下一位請 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
張委員啓楷 |
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今天是這個會期最後一天，而且談的是救國團，請大家情緒可以輕鬆一點！ |
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張委員啓楷 |
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轉型正義不應該是勝利者，也不應該是執政黨的片面正義，更不能淪為清算或者是鬥爭，應該要尊重歷史的真相，也要尊重多數民眾的情感。 |
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救國團對很多臺灣民眾來講，就是一個甜美回憶跟公益的總和，很多臺灣人從小學的時候、國中到大學，一直到成年，很多人都參加過文藝營、戰鬥營、夏令營、北橫縱走，甚至在那邊交到一輩子志同道合的好朋友，大家想起救國團是一個快樂的象徵，直到現在還有人在下面叫，這個時間點，救國團還辦了非常多開心歡樂的活動。 |
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更重要的，救國團辦了很多的公益，在疫情期間，救國團率先站出來，它把劍潭青年活動中心做為防疫旅館，去年丹娜絲風災的時候，還有花蓮災情嚴重的時候，他們跟鏟子超人一樣在救災。 |
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張委員啓楷 |
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大家回想一下，印象中的救國團是做了非常多的公益，從歷史的角度去看，救國團是行政院在民國41年開始推動，它隸屬在哪一個單位？ |
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張委員啓楷 |
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隸屬在國防部。 |
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張委員啓楷 |
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到了民國58年，它轉型作為公益的民間團體。 |
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張委員啓楷 |
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到了民國78年，人民團體組織法成立以後，它登記為全臺灣第一個社團法人。 |
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張委員啓楷 |
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現在不當黨產委員會過度擴權，把救國團列為不當黨產，它的資產已經全部被凍結了，每辦個活動，包括活動、執行、業務，人家做公益事先都要送到不當黨產委員會審核以後才可以執行，這對整個公益的推動是一個很大的傷害。 |
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張委員啓楷 |
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所以民眾黨跟國民黨今天提出修正案，我們讓「曾隸屬於國家者，不在此限」。 |
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救國團以前一開始是隸屬於國防部，希望以後讓救國團不要受到不當黨產委員會的監視了，可以有更多的精力、更多的資源好好地做公益，創造更多臺灣人共同美好的回憶與做很多公益，謝謝大家。 |
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謝謝張委員。 |
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主席 |
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下一位請范雲委員發言。 |
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（假公益，真特權。） |
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