| IVOD_ID |
167345 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167345 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-29T12:50:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-29T13:10:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:19:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/58229044bac95a8803739612ddea285452fd623850d83d5b653d38850f4f1179b72b967369a5ca435ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:50:57 - 13:10:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部就「春節急診醫療人力調度與跨院協調機制之現況與精進作為」暨「假日及連續假期急重症分級醫療政策之執行成效與改進方向」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
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謝謝召委,有請石部長請石部長歐元豪部長好社保司有來?有社家屬沒有來?社家屬沒有好,部長行政院在上週二十二日通過國民年輕法的不問條文修正草案就像現行的 |
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每個月4049要提高到包含這個移屬年金及原名的企務上調為每月5000嘛沒有錯嘛然後身心障礙年金從每月的5437調高到6715漲幅將近23.5這是行政院的一個圖卡就公民年金企務再提高保險津貼都調整是這樣那簡單的算數 |
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有算過這樣一年要增加多少嗎?就是從原有老年金、一屬年金及原民的幾乎五千然後如果減四零四九所以要增加九百五十一嘛,對不對?那身障年金是六七一五減原有的五四三七所以要增加到一二七八所以估計要多少預算? |
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跟文包這裡三塊一個是基本年金的部分這裡一調整大概會需要多增加156.3億那另外一個是排富因為我們把門檻拉 |
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把它拉高啦所以等於放寬排富啦放寬排富之後呢會多受益的人數就會增加大概2萬多人這邊會多增加13.5億那如果我們再根據CPI去調超過3%我們又再調一次那這邊又會再多受益176萬人所以大概會再增加25.1億所以整個合起來大概會增加194億 |
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就這兩大項加起來每年要再增加194億對沒有錯嘛對對對 |
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那因為我們現在要將國民年金的企務再提高那基本上我本人也有提案 絕對是雙手雙腳 仗著因為物價的指數一直在飆高嘛 對不對但是部長的思考的範疇裡面就只有針對國民年金跟身障的年金其他的牽涉到大四五津貼沒有一併做通盤檢討然後給行政院做具體的建議 |
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因為你一旦動到國民年金基本上就之前我們就跟行政有提醒過我們希望趕快將國民年金的這樣的一個 |
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幾乎可以提高但是我們也必須要很坦誠的只要提高公園金那相對的八大事務津貼你通通必須一併思考考量甚至你通通要往上提高是有嗎有有另外還有我們一共是八大您提到的有八大福利津貼那還有六個沒有調整這個調完之後調了兩個了那還有六個沒有調整 |
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那六個裡面有三個是屬於低收入戶的包含他的這個家庭生活補助包含他的這個兒童補助還有這個就學的補助這個還有三個那另外還有兩個是屬於中低收入戶一個是屬於弱勢而少的那我們也一併提了建議案那麼在行政院很快就會有 |
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會有決定下來所以有一併都提到行政院讓行政院去做有有有一併這時間上會陸陸續續那個我有中低勞嘛中低產嘛對不對那還有低收入各款嘛對還有就學的嘛還有包含這個家庭的嘛包含兒童的嘛還有特勤的嘛對 |
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全部通通有提供給好那如果全部要一併8到15現在應該叫8加1啦全部如果全部調整的話扣掉這16919多 |
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那其他還要多少這邊194對 這邊194嘛將近200億了啦對那還要增加到多少那個等行政院拍板才知道那個金額是多少沒有 這怎麼會削減到行政院拍板是衛生部本身就要盤整然後把這個相關的一個預算規模都抓出來給行政院去做最後一個裁定才對啊怎麼會變成行政院在幫你們抓預算有方案會影響到那個這個 |
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預算的規模啦所以您問我預算要會影響到多少這個還沒有辦法拍板因為是根據那個方案才決定那個預算規模假設以現在的國民年金跟現在的津貼你已經基本上調高將近23.5那其他的如果依照這樣 |
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不只這樣那以最低這樣來講嘛更高的當然是最好啊那大致上是多少你應該讓委員會知道一下因為這個原本我們也在之前有具體建議過也希望一併來全面思考8加1的社會津貼該條就該條了 |
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幾百億啦沒有那個叫幾百億的確實是你的專業啦但是因為你當了部長這一塊你還是要惡補要趕快惡補你怎麼可以回答委員會回答我說是幾百億這一定要行政院拍板之後我知道啦我知道 |
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因為貿易經濟你以為他算規模才有多少嘛,我不是說你今年要拍完定案啦嘛你總是要給我知道多少多少嘛,要給社會大眾知道多少嘛政府要給他特別價值,他不會說檔局多少嘛,跟金融快樂獎金要兩百多嘛所以還有6加1嘛,那從民運總統加起來可能要達700至800億,還是800到1000億嘛 |
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我想給社會大眾知道這個事情非常的正確也應該讓大家知道行政院衛部有這樣的決心要針對8加1的社會基金的對象要好好提升照顧啊但是你現在回答我幾百億這個很奇怪現在都精準醫療啊大約啦 大約大概在300億左右不只啦 |
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新增 我說的是新增預算喔新增預算不是全部喔那你這兩項 這裡新增是差不多194億嘛這兩項的新增就194億的其他還有 我就講8加1嘛8加1等於9嘛 9擴掉這兩項 還有7嘛你算6也沒關係嘛 那怎麼可能才300多億 |
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6的人數因為他有一部分是低收入戶當然啦一部分是低收入戶然後再加上的是弱勢而少啦人數沒有這麼多這邊是176萬人 |
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好啦我姑且相信你啦好不好你要不要把那個你們評估起來相關的預算的大概給委員會給我做參考可不可以好不好不要落差太大啦你也會有漏氣喔然後跟部長要請教的是500減4049所以增加9516715減5437增加1278你覺得這樣合理嗎 |
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因為他現在在周圍的便當店簽了一個便當額一百塊 |
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不想覺得這樣合理嗎?因為國民年金還是需要永續當然啦現在新增的部分都是由中央政府直接撥補的預算這個也受到財化法的影響所以我們希望未來行政院版本的財化法如果修正之後我們再繼續檢討 |
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我是建議部長啦好不好就是越弱勢的我們更應該照顧嘛所以當然不能說所有的每一項的津貼都等同資嘛但是朝向一個最大的一個一個大家可接受的一個調漲然後來保障照顧這些最弱勢的對象我想部長有起這個責任啦所以這個預算應該提高到什麼程度如果說你經過有詳細的一個盤整盤算 |
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我想今天應該你答我就會很肯定嘛那甚至於我們還可以大家一起共同努力來跟行政院來做這個反應也讓全國的針對這8加1的社會津貼的對象都有感在行政院在衛福部的主政之下對這些對象有特別的這樣的一個 |
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因應現在的經濟狀況物價指數的情形然後有所對他們更高的這樣的一個協助跟支持我想這樣會讓人民感受到政府的溫度也感受到這樣溫暖所以還是要提醒一個星期內應該可以把這些資料給我們可以啦好不管怎麼樣我今天還是要提醒就是我們我們很少這樣包含老紅津貼包含津貼料照牌的公民年金很少我們需要去調整到 |
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這個提高整個津貼的這樣的一個金額的時候我們的總預算還沒有通過啦大家都非常清楚這個新增預算新興項目延續性的新增預算基本上總預算沒有過就是即便法律通過了也通通不可以動之的所以我們是希望努力的可以來跟 |
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在兩位委員溝通我們竟然把法案都排進來了然後行政院也表示了這樣的一個正面的正向的態度那我想總預算真的是要快速的來審查不然今天我們在這邊討論包含老人今天也好包含前兩天通過了農民儲金也好要由公部門來負擔比例提高基本上總預算沒有過這些法律過通通還是沒有辦法去執行了 |
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所以這是一個非常非常非常矛盾,也非常現實的一個狀況我在這邊也公開再度來做呼籲那第二件事情,我時間到了嗎?時間比較快,我的主持都比較快這個印度發生立百病毒的疫情,部長知道嗎?知道已經引起周邊國家警戒,亞洲多個國際機場都已經加強的篩檢,台灣有嗎? |
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篩檢沒有啦 台灣沒有嘛亞洲很多的國際機場都已經篩檢了 台灣沒有台灣沒有 是台灣覺得還好沒有這麼重要這個應該是講 不是什麼篩檢 就是發燒篩檢戰啦那因為我們的機場從來沒有測過我們一直 其他的機場他們測掉了可是台灣的機場 這個發燒篩檢啊 |
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這一個是強調圖為泰國蘇納萬府的機場嘛他們是加強篩檢他下標是這樣嗎?因為我們台灣的發燒篩檢站從來沒有撤離過啦所以等同吃就對了因為立百病毒的RO值第一不會大流行 |
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應該是說它目前的數據R0是0.2到0.7啦就是說一個人傳染下一個的人數是0.2個到0.7所以它不會擴大像過去我們那個都是5啊6啊一個人傳好多人的那這個R0值是低於1但是因為雖然它傳播力沒有那麼強可是它的致死率很高才會引發大家的關注 |
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但是部長知道1998年在馬來西亞經歷了那個立百仙村當時的災難發生什麼事情嘛我知道對不對它是造成三個國家將近300人感染的病例其中100多人死亡耶對然後 |
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然後還在馬來西亞進900個豬場,90多萬隻豬頭被捕殺的,這樣算是嚴重嗎?嚴重啊第三個嚴重,對人的性命、胖腔八卦也不算輕的,對不對?對啊,所以它不只是可以人傳人,還可以豬傳人,還可以豬傳豬的 |
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這個比我們在要防治非洲疫情的情況之下應該是大家要提高更高的警覺才對吧所以對人而言但是對產業而言我想那個落差值非常非常大 |
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是不是要請部長 不能大意 沒有鬆懈的本錢 不能因為病毒 脖子低 我們就掉個清心嘛對 我們已經提高那個警戒程度了 包含從機場的部分 除了發燒篩檢會注意之外也提醒旅客出現相關的症狀 要去就醫 要表明他的旅遊史然後我們也發了醫界通函 提醒這些可能的症狀是什麼 |
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我今天會提醒這個事情因為農曆春節快到了反國的鄉親你還能預估嘛所以我們要加強警戒我們可能整個篩檢什麼都要再提高所以變態比較辛苦是不是你可以直接就連結農業部看這個事情要怎麼應應對付 |
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我覺得這是有其必要的一週內提供給我們做你們要怎麼提升的這樣一個處理的方式最後一項WHO也是一樣上週22號川普大帝已經宣布了退出WHO這個世界衛生組織昨天我原本想要發表一些看法其實這個世界衛生組織是世界最不衛生組織 |
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現在美國已經退出了那理由很簡單2019年台灣早就對新型的冠狀病毒發生事情但WHO卻假裝台灣不存在錯失了防疫的先機我們原本有觀察員身份後來被他們取消掉年年好幾年要扣關要申請一個觀察員的身份通通不給我們 |
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然後我們提出這麼嚴重相信已經算是有人類原始以來造成最大人員死傷的新冠病毒COVID-19台灣2019就已經提出來WHO適合不見所以它叫做世界最不衛生組織現在全世界第一強國美國就已經退出了 |
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台灣的態度是什麼?明年還在扣關嗎?這個跟委員說明,確實美國退出WHO,我相信對WHO的衝擊影響比對台灣還要大 |
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所以我們會密切的觀察後續WHO它的影響會多大但是在目前而言WHO還是全球最主要的衛生醫療平台公共衛生醫療平台所以我們還是會持續的有意義的參與當然未來如果美國有成立新的平台的時候當然我們也會積極爭取去參與 |
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我覺得有時候是借力使力啦借機發揮啦讓台灣的整個對世界衛生的貢獻醫療的這樣的一個付出真的是你要趁這個機會順勢而為啦我想今天在兩年前AI國際台北AI國際電腦展可以辦了這麼大的盛會這是全世界級的 |
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雖然名稱叫台北但是他還是一個世界級的那今天川普已經宣布退出WHO那其實也跟世界衛生組織宣戰嘛你們這個就是不公平嘛你們這個就是不公正嘛你們這個還在隱匿嘛然後針對這麼嚴重的事情台灣提出這麼嚴重的事情你還敢視而不見嘛 |
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那其實因為部長我為什麼希望今天用這個會期最後一次委員會再用多一點的時間來提醒部長因為部長在衛生醫療這個單位公務部門已經滿久的時間 |
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當AI的國際展 台北AI的國際展可以辦到如此的盛大那台灣整體的醫療 台灣整體的衛生的維護台灣整體的很多的 這樣的一個面向的一個整體提升醫療環境 衛生環境我們努力貢獻 是不是也可以趁這個機會 |
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可以達到某種程度的一個渲染然後一個一個一個一個一個一個發揚我們更精準的這樣的一個作為就好比台北醫療電腦廠的道理一樣那甚至也可以邀請美國一起來共同來研辦這件事情那AI醫療現在已經都不用再介紹了那AI的機器人 醫療的機器人其實基本上這個都是台灣應該要走在世界的前端 |
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趁這個機會啊應該部長有你的能耐跟你的經驗嘛而且這速度要快嘛對不對有沒有機會上半年度我們就可以 |
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搞一個比世界衛生組織開會更具有效果的然後提出前瞻預警性的相關的對醫療對衛生環境有所有所示警全世界還是建置什麼樣的一個模範讓全世界可以來瞭解到對台灣對這樣的一個付出貢獻確實有達到某種程度的效益還有智慧趕快來思考 |
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這真的可以做 你要趁這個機會 其實我看川普在大補台給你他沒有機會大補台給總統 總統有外交的管理他要去發表什麼 要去某個地方 你要保證在這個時間是可以很充分的典型 台灣的醫療 台灣的環境衛生 |
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很多制度 基本上是可以跟世界 走在世界前面然後今天又有這樣的一個情勢發生真的請部長展示智慧啦 好不好對 好好讓我們台灣可以再持續讓台灣可以做世界的台灣啦讓台灣的整個衛生醫療可以在世界再度的躍升這個舞台 好不好好 好啦 一個二來對啦 好不好好 謝謝 好 謝謝召委 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝劉建國召委接下來最後一位請陳英委員發言這個很辛苦喔 剛到了 |