| IVOD_ID |
167328 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167328 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-29T10:47:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-29T11:00:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/58229044bac95a88fb0061af45f088a76bf384bcbb560abaef4d1ce49928203b75a5986f83a3d5885ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:47:47 - 11:00:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員蔡其昌等19人、(三)委員賴惠員等23人、(四)委員李昆澤等18人、(五)委員洪孟楷等20人、(六)委員林倩綺等23人及(七)委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人分別擬具「發展觀光條例部分條文修正草案」案、(八)委員牛煦庭等16人擬具「發展觀光條例第二條、第四十二條之一及第五十五條條文修正草案」案及(九)委員廖先翔等18人擬具「發展觀光條例增訂第六十六條之一條文草案」案。
二、邀請交通部部長就「115年度交通部及所屬單位預算未審竣對桃園鐵路地下化、花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化、嘉義市區鐵路高架化、嘉義縣市鐵路高架化延伸、臺南市區鐵路地下化、觀光雙輪驅動方案等計畫及各單位業務各項交通建設推動之影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【本次會議僅進行詢答；開會事由一第(一)案及第(六)案至第(九)案如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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好 感謝主席 本席要請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長委員好 部長好 部長我們台南市的一個重大交通建設就是台南鐵路地下化 預計在今年底通測 |
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部長好像明天要到台南去主持鐵路地下化的一個接軌儀式對 鋼軌的最後的接軌儀式所以我們地方非常期待這個台南的鐵路地下化對於台南未來的發展非常重要但是受到今年總預算 |
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還沒有審查的影響那相關的預算如果沒有辦法動之會不會影響到今年底的通車報告委員確實我們今年的預算是超過去年所以在台南鐵路地下化確實會有預算上面的影響但是通車的部分我們目前還是朝年底之前通車這個目標在努力當中 |
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因為他的台南鐵路地下化的中間補助款是由前瞻的預算移編到部裡面來的好那我給你看幾個數字第一個他在去年大概是有編了178億多那今年我現在講的是你所有的鐵道捷運軌道的交通部的一個經費 |
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那今年呢 是變了310億台南的也在裡面 |
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那這筆預算就是交通部的鐵道還有捷運建設的計畫它包含了桃園桃園的鐵路地下化花東的鐵路雙軌電計畫嘉義市的鐵路高架嘉義縣市的跨縣市的鐵路高架還有台南市的鐵路地下化的計畫等等都在裡面那如果今年2026年的年度總預算沒有過這310億沒有過 |
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那你依法大概就只能動之到一個上限就是去年預算的上限178億多是不是這樣是 |
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也就是說如果總預算沒有通過的話那你今年只能執行你今年310億大概不到六成大概57%的預算就你比照去年最高的預算你是不是可以動這樣的額度對 報告委員就是差額會有到131億這麼多你有130億 你就沒辦法做那你原本的預算規模310億 |
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結果你現在手裡面只有179億所以你就要做預算分配嘛 對不對那很簡單 你要怎麼分配這個影響到各縣市地方重大的交通建設所以這個在野黨不省總預算也害慘了地方啦這個是政治的惡鬥害死國家的發展各縣市的重大建設的發展 |
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我在這裡要求部長是那你現在原本的年度預算規模今年310億結果你現在只能動之179億你就去挑啦凡是反對省總預算藍白立委的這個民眾黨沒有就國民黨立委的地方你就不要分配給他那你要不然桃園一塊錢都不要給他桃園哪個禮物都分對 |
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總預算啊 花東也是啊這樣要分配嗎 要不然你怎麼分配 你告訴我報告委員 我們是希望每個縣市都不要被放棄啦那但是 各個地方的委員你沒有總預算 你就沒關係 你算了都不要放棄是 各個地方的委員自己也要想辦法來支持這個總預算不然真的會對他們的地方的建設會造成很重大的影響你應該跟地方的縣市長說啊跟投行的張三正說啊花東也是啊 |
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啊你們的立委反對省總預算那我交通部今年怎麼 哪有錢補助你鐵道岸捷運的建設相關計畫是是你懂得優先補助像我們這幾期心中有什麼啊台南高雄嘉義這啊那我再請教部長啦我也要求部長啦不可以影響到台南連底通車的計畫 |
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有沒有問題我們會盡全力盡全力來努力這個方向那你的全力是有沒有辦法不影響通車的計畫 |
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應該是可以啦報告委員明天你要加應該啦明天要去要去做一定可以鋼軌的最後的這個先接我知道啦感謝啦但是預算真的是對我們影響相當相當的大不過我們交通部跟鐵道局會全力努力讓這個台南的鐵路地下化在今年年底來做通車的典禮你的你今年還可以動資大概179億台南市鐵路地下化占多少還有20億 |
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你看沒問題吧對不對是是是我看那個人共同一體添頭啊所以不會影響到台南市的鐵路地下化的通車啦就算總預算沒有省好我們達成這樣我們達成這樣一個結論啦你共同比你比較比你比較有擔當耶人家共同都說可以你保證一體要省不用省啦對不對才20億嘛對不對 |
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台南的六席立委都支持要省總預算你這個當然要優先給我們啊感謝台南的立委都支持總預算我們會優先來顧及台南鄉親的需求另外我再講一個這兩個都是關於應該跟交通部當然都是業務相關第一個我們國內的旅遊今天大家很關心 |
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除了昂貴以外 還會產生一些亂象什麼昂貴啊 不只是吃喝的啦 一般都住那你說國旅貴啊 香貴的就是大你貴沒關係喔 那會產生一些奇奇怪怪的現象例如 現在的人出去借房 訂房一般都透過平台 |
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對不對那你平台他有時候遇到廉價或者有重大假設你預訂了 你訂好了結果忽然間公佈說有什麼樣的一個大活動那就會出問題高雄因為演唱會經濟很成功BTS去高雄開演唱會平台就把所有訂房取消 |
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平台也叫他在上面有房間的這些飯店先關房再漲價因為他知道這個活動辦了很多人會來對不對你如果這麼有平常的價格賣他覺得可以賺到多因為一個大活動到了大家一定會搶房那有沒有辦法管理 |
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你連個公平台你沒辦法管理這個問題其實我以前質詢過了我說這些平台啊現在在在上面賣賣那個賣房間嗎他有很多在上面刊登廣告都是非法的旅宿你老婆都關了你老公先被平台沒落地那現在有沒有辦法管啊現在可以管嗎 |
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來 市長 跟委員報告關於像那種惡意棄單的這個部分呢消費者如果遇到這樣的問題就直接跟當地的地方政府的消保官直接申訴那所以如果查證屬實他是可以罰三倍的這是第一個 第二個呢針對非法旅宿的部分呢在法官條例第55條跟51-1條也有只要是非法的部分我們最旅館業最高可以罰兩百萬民宿是最高可以罰一百萬 |
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這個部分現在也要求他們在任何刊登廣告上面都要把自己合法的證據都放上來針對非法旅宿你講的嘛他在刊登非法旅宿他刊登廣告的行為他可以罰十萬到一百五十萬是那你有罰嗎一百五十萬最高你有罰嗎目前由地方政府去主責你有罰嗎在平台上刊登呢 |
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我們這個是就個案去處理因為這部分就是有一方面就是另一個就是你觀光署有處罰嗎地方政府在做那個你要推給地方政府你觀光署有處罰嗎 |
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因為這是全責的話如果說一般旅館跟民宿是地方政府在主責如果是觀光旅館是由我們來直接來開發非法觀光旅館全國都沒有人違規基本上是沒有非法的觀光旅館你在那個在那個平台上刊登的非法旅宿那有沒有要求平台不要讓他刊登 |
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這個像我們平常就會請地方政府就要平常要巡查如果有的話就直接發行給他要求他撤撤下你要求誰撤要求OTA平台如果他是在平台上看到的話所以你現在可以管理OTA平台了OTA平台現在已經要求他要在台灣成立公司所以基本上已經可以納管了 |
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台灣每一家平台都有落地嗎都有成立公司嗎在這一部分是有兩個方式來處理另外就是說我們那個地方政府會經過利用網路訊號平台大部分都沒有落地 |
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國內的旅行社的這一部分全部都用旅行社來登記國內的平台的部分那如果說是不平台落地嗎所以國外的這個因為它是國際的國人大部分都在這幾個大的平台上訂的台灣前三大前五大的平台統統沒有落地啦國際的OTA是不是沒有落地是沒有落地那麼沒有落地什麼落地 |
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你到底懂不懂的自己業務不懂得自己了解一下平台都沒有落地啦包括你部長你自己出席的時候你都用哪個網站你都用什麼店報告委員 我已經很久沒有訂房了你沒有訂房喔搞清楚好不好沒有啦 國際的平台目前還沒有落地 |
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沒有完全落地但是國內的平台是有落地的但是沒有錯委員講得很正確大部分的國人是用國際的平台在使用你國內平台當然在台灣當然也落地怎麼會這樣講你講的很廢話問題大部分我們現在台灣一般旅客因為國內平台都不好用啦都不好用好啦我們報告委員我們召委再催我時間好了 |
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687.982 |
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714.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
你這個博文已經問了很多次因為發生的舊問都是這樣子啦然後你說他不可以惡意取消訂單他現在有見到投訴的是平台叫這些業者先關一開先取消訂單就先關起來啦然後再重新訂價先關房再訂價那你叫他找平台算賬嘛 |
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715.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
728.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
對不對他就知道有一個大活動要到了那現在可以提高房價了所以大家都先把房間預訂關起來然後再提高定價所以這個就是平台管理的問題 |
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729.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
749.866 |
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報告委員這一部分我們有特別有召開會議跟縣市政府在針對這個做法去做加強舉例你們應該要求這個平台要落地啦到台灣賺錢也不落地也不繳稅好不好好現在部長謝謝謝謝林俊憲委員發言完畢我們先來休息 |