| IVOD_ID |
167323 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167323 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-29T09:49:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-29T10:00:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/58229044bac95a88013f5eb5c4000f366bf384bcbb560abaef4d1ce49928203b3eb26cf665c94cb75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林國成 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:49:51 - 10:00:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員蔡其昌等19人、(三)委員賴惠員等23人、(四)委員李昆澤等18人、(五)委員洪孟楷等20人、(六)委員林倩綺等23人及(七)委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人分別擬具「發展觀光條例部分條文修正草案」案、(八)委員牛煦庭等16人擬具「發展觀光條例第二條、第四十二條之一及第五十五條條文修正草案」案及(九)委員廖先翔等18人擬具「發展觀光條例增訂第六十六條之一條文草案」案。
二、邀請交通部部長就「115年度交通部及所屬單位預算未審竣對桃園鐵路地下化、花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化、嘉義市區鐵路高架化、嘉義縣市鐵路高架化延伸、臺南市區鐵路地下化、觀光雙輪驅動方案等計畫及各單位業務各項交通建設推動之影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【本次會議僅進行詢答；開會事由一第(一)案及第(六)案至第(九)案如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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來 請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長那個鐵道局我們楊局長鐵道局楊正軍局長委員好好 部長 局長大家早啊大家都知道了你們辛苦一下因為我們今天啊確實對於軌道的政策啊也提出一個專案報告 |
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可是當然因為我也列之一二確實過去鐵道的預算是多的可是這幾年下來是下降的那當然在這裡報告我也不是針對這些指定專案報告的這整個鐵路但是比較敏感從這半個月以來 |
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為了高鐵宜蘭站也就是我們過去張景生前政委他提出非常之多的這些批判當然他個人有個人的看法他也算一個專家我們也要尊重他但是我個人覺得 |
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交通建設不能依照經濟效益而來斷定做跟不做但是沒有辦法現在風風雨雨不管是媒體不管是當地不管是團體都反對這件事情第一我要請教部長兩個問題第一個你對這件事情 |
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既然強烈這麼反對部長你有什麼看法報告委員強烈的反對我覺得這都是形容詞那多強烈我覺得要有科學的評估我們其實有做過民調剛剛洪孟愷委員在問的時候我有回答過我們在宜蘭縣議會幾乎看到大部分絕大多數的議員們都是支持的宜蘭的立法委員也是支持的 |
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宜蘭的縣政府也有表達過他們也是支持的這是第一點第二點我剛剛講說反對的感覺要有科學的數據所以我們有做過民調我們目前宜蘭的鄉親我們做民調支持宜蘭高鐵延伸到宜蘭的有79.5%是支持的那反對的數據可能蠻低的反對當然啦正反雙方都有 |
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可是據我了解宜蘭地區確實包括老百姓包括政府機關甚至於都把本來97公頃都把它擴大甚至於整個篆圍鄉他們都蠻希望化為交通用地這是事實因為我考察過地方民群我了解所以基本上現在已經箭在弦上 |
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請問現在張景深政委他說是不是請你們做公投你的看法部長做公投報告委員公投這件事不太可能由交通部來發動 |
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他們要做這些公投你同不同意我們已經有做過民調了對我們做過的是民調嘛他現在要發起公投要不要見公投是人民的權利我們都尊重你尊重我們都尊重但是你不覺得這個公投做下去對我們整個交通建設的會耽擱嗎你不不擔心嗎 |
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我們還是希望啦因為很多的民眾是期待交通建設要發展那我們還是期待說交通建設可以趕快來進行是所有民眾所期待的所以你對公投同不同意嗎或者你認為民調就可以顯現出來公投我沒有辦法同意或不同意我們會尊重會尊重 好 |
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那個 楊局長可以請回來我們陳署長來 觀光署陳署長來 我也要拜託我們那個觀光署啊幕僚單位也提供資料給署長 |
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來 我們今天最主要是觀光部長我一向不太贊同就是為了捍衛你們的做法而在那邊跟立委在那邊有所爭議這一點我是滿反對的 |
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立法委員是有意見下情上達然後轉印給決策單位來做觀光政策如何去補足這個不足的地方所以部長我還是建議這裡面當然數據你難怪我們立法院的同仁在質疑這些觀光我舉個例子 |
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你們現在美麗的數據完全不能反映到 |
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這個產業是七產的產喔產業的這種感覺我幾例專門辦國禮也得到我們觀光署所表揚的這些禮行業他都關門了耶 部長他都關門了報章雜誌在報導 禮行社 |
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辦國禮的已經有46家關門了那請問一下既然數據這麼好為什麼他要關門就是因為我們統計的數據雖然過去是這樣統計但是事實上是有所出入的有所出入所以我還是要建議部長啊因為我也知道你不能管得這麼細 |
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觀光署當然就要為以籌謀如何檢討改進去符合人民所需要業者所需要這些才有意義啦那剛才重點就是這樣嘛 |
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我說實在你不能灌水的政策達到美麗的數據這一點我是很懷疑報告委員數據一定不會灌水一定灌水啦報告委員數據一定不會灌水在國會殿堂我不要跟你去狡辯私底下我才告訴你們如何去灌水 |
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我相信這個數據不是部長不是署長但是底下的人說實在的不能這樣灌水有沒有灌水不要爭議但事實上我剛才已經講了業者可以馬上反映我幾例啊像我屏東我們恆春 |
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459.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
他們一年過去是四百萬五百萬現在一年不到兩百萬今年只有兩百零幾萬 |
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460.95 |
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489.33 |
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明年他們在擔心他們現在所有的賣場根本幾乎八成都關門大吉不定我相信你是管政策你不會管這麼細節的東西但是署長你要監督這些我還是要建議每一個縣市都有他的觀光產值跟觀光特色 |
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490.251 |
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511.744 |
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你們要針對一個縣市一個縣市把它的特色 像我們新北 九份它有貴的很好吃你們要不要去辦這些讓人家有一個景點式特色去做促銷這些你要去做啊可是到現在為止 |
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為止我只有看到美麗的數據從來沒有看到我們因應對策我要拜託你針對光光的問題不是數據啦而是實際 |
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529.045 |
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| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
不是數據你們的數據都很漂亮啊你們過去就是因為這是錯誤的數據才會導致現在觀光產業慘到不能慘的一個地步所以這個部分真的啊 部長我用心良苦啊 |
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550.421 |
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575.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
特別建議你在政策方面好好檢討一下要針對產業發展不要只有美麗的數據而是美麗的業績這是最重要的一點所以啊我也要拜託我們一向我對於部長對於有新的做法我真的 |
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敬佩之宜我還要你用政策的力量支持觀光署把它真正不要美麗的數據啦要美麗的業績這才是真正替老百姓把觀光創業去把它做好所以部長這一點 |
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我提出這些讓你做參考我也希望你能夠在政策方面好好檢討一下不要說沒有灌水我只指責這些沒有意義可是我敢保證所有數據不是署長不是你但是底下給你的數據不完全正確在我們民意代表看到業者的慘淡跟他們的心聲不得不在國會讓我們 |
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| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
交通部的陳部長能夠了解所以這一點我要建議部長針對這個事情下去做檢討跟改進好不好好謝謝謝謝委員 |