| IVOD_ID |
167290 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167290 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-28T11:37:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-28T11:48:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0b5ec5fbcfced67df07ebb04eda2519411b3bb87f1b5dc7ae2c12228464ea44c51e308782cc5e3445ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:37:49 - 11:48:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲就「統一發票經費編列及宣傳推廣業務執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我請財政部莊部長好請莊部長委員好莊部長辛苦了兩個問題 |
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第一個問題就是說我們營業稅法有規定那麼我們要提撥營業稅稅收的3%做發票的獎金那其實這幾十年下來這也深受我們民眾們的 |
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喜愛和配合因為這鼓勵推動了統一發票的使用鼓勵民眾要記得索取發票來減少這種逃漏稅這是非常正面的 |
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可是我覺得這幾十年下來社會的討論一直跟財政部在捉迷藏因為財政部的意思是說要根據預算數下去提撥這3%那實增數因為在這四五年來我們實增數都增加而且增加的金額都上千億之多那實增數跟 |
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預算數的這個差額的部分就沒有任何的獎金那當然啦財政部的理由也對財政部是說那時增數必須下一個年度才能知道而且超增也有獎金那短增那怎麼辦呢所以也對啦本席我個人的看法我是認為說那乾脆我們就成立一個基金專戶乾脆就所有 |
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這個實質的營業稅的收入就在於就按照這個實質的金額撥到一個帳戶裡面根據這個帳戶裡面去提撥3%也就是說 |
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即便有短徵或者時徵有增加那就在這個戶頭裡面加加減減還有很多是民眾沒有去兌換發票獎金的有的是他忘了兌獎 沒有兌獎有的是根本眼睜睜的看著 明明中獎但是因為電子發票他沒有去歸戶 |
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我沒有歸戶的結果也有很多民眾這樣子領不到痛失獎金而且這個歷史越來越多金額也都滿大的所以我的看法就是說乾脆就成立基金專戶那政府也不用 |
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虧民間嘛啊民間也不去占政府的便宜就是該多少那我們有的是下個年度十增金額才出來的那就歸到這個裡面嘛大家慢慢計算嘛不是這樣嗎 你的看法呢 |
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委員是希望成立一個基金專戶不管是短徵的、超徵的或你沒有來對講的通通到這裡面去然後再試情況加徵款項那我要跟委員報告對於沒有對講的款項其實在我們今年裡面如果前面沒有對講但是獎金累積到下半年的時候我們會增開也就是事實上我們還是會把它增加主數 |
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還是會有增加我們會把那個沒有來對講的我們會發出去也會把它發出去的那包括那個沒有歸戶的電子發票也是因為他等於沒有來領那沒有歸戶的部分我們希望加強說明那尤其是最近也出現一些就是說他沒有到我們這邊歸戶譬如說用那個電子那個所謂的郵箱 |
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的部分 那個電子郵件的部分需要規附那個部長 那時針跟預算的差額那那個怎麼辦光這四年喔 從民國111年到113年我們時針跟預算你預算這個營業稅這個部分啦 差額喔稅收的差額2800億 |
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10增啊 我們多增了2800億光這2800億的3%的獎金就86億耶 86億之多耶那你看這個怎麼辦所以啊 我剛剛就說我們就乾脆歸到一個戶頭裡面那就以實質收到的下去計算 你看法呢 |
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這百分之三的發票獎金啊 |
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是多少民眾大家引領期盼欸就每兩個月就這麼一個小確幸好玩嘛其實倒不是說領了幾千塊幾百塊幸運一點的有上百萬沒錯啊 |
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可是那些上百萬的就我們從報章雜誌看到新聞看到的這些大額的上百萬獎金的他們都未歸戶結果也是沒辦法領但是你剛剛這講得很好你說那財政部也君子沒有領的你就把他併到後面你有再下去計算也再次再行發放對獎就對了但是我剛剛跟你講的 |
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時增跟預算這個金額的差額光這四年啊稅收差了2800億的總差額那這2800億的3%就我跟你說的86億啊民眾少拿了86億的發票獎金簡單講就是這樣 |
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你研究看看好不好我第二個問題要跟你提到的就是希望說這個產生部回去好好的研擬一下也就是說我們從去年開始 |
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我們台灣已經進入超高齡社會了我們65歲以上的人口已經佔了總人口數的20%那去年更是我們新生兒子生大概10年前的一半才10萬位而已那像 |
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我這個年次那一個年次都大概36萬到38萬你們那個比較年輕啦你們單子也大概來到28萬30萬左右我這種年次三十幾萬一個年次所以這個事情很傷腦筋也有預估 |
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有預估人口專家預估就是說我們在2045年我們國家到2045年我們會跌破2000萬人口那到了2070年我們台灣大概剩下1500萬人口我為什麼跟你說這個呢我的意思就是說因為我們的稅收大部分我們著重在 |
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這個所得稅啦那因為人口短少勞動人口也減少啦所以這一部分我們的稅收很可能如果我們沒有趕快去預作準備的話這個部分到了某一個關節點我們會大幅的下滑 |
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所以我希望說我們財政部能夠針對人口急劇減少人口結構變遷的這個所導致的財政風險要下去做評估也就是說我們針對稅制結構我們去做中長期的模擬中長期模擬說大概到哪一年會怎麼樣到哪一年會怎樣這個部分我不曉得你們有沒有做 |
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謝謝委員的提示那對於這個人口的一個減少然後對於稅制整個的結構一定會有影響那目前財政部也已經委託在做一個研究對這個部分有委員做研究那什麼時候會有一個初步的研究的 |
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是今年會今年會有這個結果研究報告會出來我簡單講在我們社會大家普遍認為資本家靠資本所得地主們靠這個 |
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房屋房產閒置空屋空地所得這一些炒作土地所得等等這一些他們負擔整個社會應有的稅的部分他們負擔的過低我們都把整個國家社會需求所需要的稅收的負擔都是給了我們所有的勞動人口以這一些大家靠辛苦的勞動 |
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收入來去支付國家的需要其實這是非常不公平的所以如果我們勞動人口減少那所得稅這一部分的減少的話是不是我們應該加重資本所得比方說那加重這個空屋稅 閒置空屋這些一方面又可以讓屋盡其用可以有打房的作用 |
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二方面也才達到稅制的公平而且我們也才能實收的稅不至於短少過快 |
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好不好是是謝謝委員的指教這部分我希望你們委外研究的成果的時候你也複製我一聲讓我看一下這個研究的報告是怎麼樣好不好好好謝謝委員好謝謝王世堅委員部長請回OK好謝謝接下來請陳玉珍委員質詢 |