| IVOD_ID |
167285 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167285 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-28 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-28T10:59:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-28T11:08:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0b5ec5fbcfced67db9f4c96d2335ff93f4fe19c94b211847e2c12228464ea44c6a2d8103b2bcc79e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:59:39 - 11:08:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
1.游被提名人盈隆-立法院第11屆第4會期內政、司法及法制委員會第2次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函送中央選舉委員會委員提名名單，游盈隆為委員並為主任委員，胡博硯為委員並為副主任委員，黃文玲、李禮仲、蘇嘉宏、蘇子喬及陳宗義均為委員，請同意案。【1月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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好謝謝主席我請我們被提名人游教授加油教授 |
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好游教授辛苦了可以看到今天包含就是我們整個審查會裡面包含我們國民黨的委員對游教授也有相當多的肯定那我想請問一下因為游教授過去除了是 |
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政治學教授還有民調那當然對於政治也有很多評論而且呢你過去長期當這個政府的烏鴉 執政黨的烏鴉那譬如說在去年的大罷免的時候你有很多的評論 |
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你的評論是大罷免是台灣民主之恥而且你曾經痛批有兩大戰犯死不認錯就是包含民進黨黨團的柯建民總召還有沈伯陽委員那你有提到就是大罷免是災難性的民主內戰那當然其實你的評論也不止於此所以你這一次在被提名的時候外界其實有很多人是驚訝的 |
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那甚至有一種說法是說你可能可以得到在野黨這個委員的票數但是民進黨內部很多人對你有意見所以您認為在這一次的整個的提名的表決過程裡面你目前評估你可以得到民進黨全數的票數同意你嗎 |
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這部分我不敢去評估不敢評估所以有可能有可能會有人跑票我不知道好那另外請教一下因為我剛特別提到了一些大罷免在這個過程裡面很多人就開始談到一些我們法律跟一些制度上的問題在之前我們通過了就是在聯署要付身份證影本 |
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民進黨政府有來提出復議但是呢並沒有拿去釋憲所以這個應該已經是可以確定的這個行政院也沒有拿去釋憲然後我想請問一下我們還有一個版本就是呢 |
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加一版本就是你的被罷免票數要多過就是被罷免要多過你之前之前的當選的票數才能夠確定被罷免那我不曉得游教授你對於這一個的修法版本你個人的意見是什麼你同意嗎謝謝委員我的看法是這樣第一個 |
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加護這個身份證這個是加嚴這個罷免權的行使這個坦白講在某個程度上我是贊成的因為全世界各國國會議員是沒有什麼國會議員罷免制度的 |
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沒錯啊所以就這個部分來講我純粹基於學者的立場我是覺得加嚴我是可以同意的那第二個就立委提罷免同意票高於當選票我覺得這兩個不能夠相 |
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不能相提並論所以你對於加1的版本你個人有疑慮 |
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我覺得那個不合理好你覺得不合理好因為我們今天是審查必須把一些就是我們現在修法的過程要就教於你另外我看到你回答就是我們立法院各黨團的就是有關於罷免的部分我們在罷免的過程裡面有很多的不合理其中有關於是政治獻金因為我們自己是從身為被罷免人 |
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那因為我們是被監督的對象但是相對在政治獻金上就出現了一個極不平衡的狀態如果在選舉裡面不管是多少人參選每一個人都是受到政治獻金法的一個規範但是我們在這一次被罷免裡面其實整個的政治獻金是非常非常混亂的 |
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那我看到你的回答是說你也認為即便是罷免者罷免者包含領銜人也好或罷免團體他的政治獻金也應該受到一定的管理和規範所以我想請問你這個部分你要不要再講一下就是有關於政治獻金的規範你個人的看法是怎麼樣 |
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政治制度是演進的不是從一開始就完美無缺所以經過不斷的實踐實驗之後該修的是應該要修我個人的意見是被罷免 |
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的人要受到政治獻金法的限制那但是提罷免的人目前沒有任何的這方面的沒有任何規範所以我覺得未來是可以考慮修法 |
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雖然政治獻金法的主管機關並不是中選會但是這涉及了選務選舉跟罷免的公平性的確因為這樣所以我才才表示意見所以你也認為這個應該修好另外一個在這次罷免裡面 |
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有一個完全回憶於過去的做法這次中選會也被我們認為是極為不中立而且有政治辦案之嫌就是有關於在聯署告發聯署 錯假聯署的時間過去事實上去年大罷免並不是第一次也不會是最後一次 |
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但是中選會過去歷次針對有關於罷免的錯假連署每一個包含韓國瑜 王浩宇 陳柏惟黃婕 所有的都是在 |
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投票之後然後去做告發每一個都在投票之後去做告發唯有一次例外唯有一次例外就是在去年的大罷免大家可以看到去年大罷免整個去告發錯假連署然後去偵辦錯假連署大概都是史上這個最為激烈的一次 |
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那這中間就是跟中選會的告發時間有關那到底這個告發時間應該是在連署期間呢或者是在投票之後不要去影響最後的罷免結果其實應該要有一套制度的 |
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但是中選會當時就是完全違反過去的做法當然就被我們認為說這個是有政治辦案的嫌疑所以這個就是中選會的業務了所以我想請問我們主委被提名人如果你擔任主委 |
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針對未來夾是有這個連署 錯假連署其實這個連署還不只是罷免 還有選舉也會有這個你是不是應該建立一套一個可長可久的制度而不是隨著不同的情境而改變對我來講 這個時候要回答這個問題的確是困難的怎麼會困難我還是要回答這個問題這個一點都不困難吧我還是回答這個問題 |
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我自己也參選過所以我也知道其實選舉期間為了避免影響選舉 |
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即便有嫌疑人涉嫌犯罪检调司法单位也都是事后侦办事前也有一些但是基本上不会这么做所以我不了解大坝棉去年实际的状况他们是怎么样做成决定我不了解那是一页沧桑史我觉得事后可以再去检讨改进 |
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好我特別指出這個這個其實完全是技術性的竊選完全是技術竊選有非常多種好不好因為我時間到了不耽誤下面時間好謝謝 |