| IVOD_ID |
167284 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167284 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-28 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-28T10:47:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-28T10:59:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0b5ec5fbcfced67dc849e61b0c96adf0f4fe19c94b211847e2c12228464ea44c6a2d8103b2bcc79e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉書彬 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:47:32 - 10:59:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
1.游被提名人盈隆-立法院第11屆第4會期內政、司法及法制委員會第2次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函送中央選舉委員會委員提名名單，游盈隆為委員並為主任委員，胡博硯為委員並為副主任委員，黃文玲、李禮仲、蘇嘉宏、蘇子喬及陳宗義均為委員，請同意案。【1月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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好謝謝主席我現在請被提名人主委被提名的游盈隆教授游教授 |
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郭教授您好您不只是政治學者那您本身也曾經當過陸委會的副主委那對於兩岸關係的這個法律體系還有國家忠誠的問題應該都有非常的了解那我今天想要請教的一個制度性的矛盾就是陸籍配偶在台灣的戶籍滿了10年之後 |
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依照兩岸人民關係條例呢他是可以參政的並且呢他也是經過中選會審查了具備了一個候選資格嘛那另外呢但是我們看到的是在國籍法依照20條呢他當選後呢在他的就任前或是一年之內呢必須提出放棄中國國籍的證明或是依照其他的法律規定來辦理否則就撤銷資格了 |
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內政部長劉世芳他也主張可以參選但就任前再用國籍法來去檢驗他的忠誠我認為有三個問題第一個是法律適用的問題兩岸人民關係條例是個特別法 |
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在跟國籍法發生衝突時是否應該優先適用呢那內政部 劉部長的說法是否已經有擴張裁量權 異越法律授權的這個問題那我先把問題說完那請這個被提名人 |
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有教授你就等一下再一起回應 我時間有限第二個問題就是參政公平性的問題那一個人可以參選 後來當選但是最後是要高度仰賴對岸去要去出具這個文件然後才會被撤銷 可是事實上這中共不會發的那是否會侵害到他的陸配的一個憲法平等保障的這個參政權 |
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那第三個就是說國家終審如何制度化這是民進黨非常重視的這個問題那終審應該的審核是在選前明確可預期的法律要求之下但是還是說他還會依據選後補件那如果拿不出來就撤銷那因此就想說如果要在最後的這個在這個相關的法律還沒有整合之前您是否認為說終選會應該主動的面對這樣一個法律衝突請劉教授回答 謝謝 |
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這的確是一個非常棘手的問題對中選會來講一方面來講站在保障參政權的立場這個中選會會樂見所有的國民的參政權都被完整的保障但是兩岸關係是高度的複雜 |
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相關的法例到目前為止也沒有就這一點有非常完備清楚的立法所以在這種情況底下就留下了一個模糊的空間這個空間內政部有內政部的主張中選會在這上面幾乎沒有去主張什麼的這樣的一個立場 |
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但主觀上您作為一個學者作為一個學者我覺得兩岸是一個高度複雜的問題我覺得這個目前這樣的一個問題 |
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你就是侵犯他的公平參政權嗎這是好幾個價值牽扯在這裡面所以即便是在過去多年以來有國民黨執政時代有民進黨執政時代但通通沒有去根本解決這個問題所以這問題遺留下來這問題坦白講對中選會來講要交給中選會去處理這個是中選會沒這個能力 |
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所以您就未來就是草獨立機關就不處理了是嗎不是 我的意思是說那這個部分你應該是行政院這個可能秘書長要去回應那我現在去問的一個問題更重要的是那特別法跟普通法的這個問題適用您應該怎麼看法呢根據法律寫當然我們在座有很多法律專家特別法是優於普通法所以兩岸人民關係條例但是這兩者因為 |
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兩岸關係高度的複雜牽扯的非常複雜的歷史的因果這裡面可能會衍生很多很多的問題就選務機關來講選務機關並沒有這種職權去做這個讓 |
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所有的人滿意的 我知道啦被提名人劉教授你就是現在在一個審查期間這個問題應該是民進黨非常care的問題的那的確也是有他的複雜性但是這個不叫全國的人民包括學者專家必須好好去針對這個問題去好好去針對大家的部分要知道他的公平心那這個 |
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還有再一個問題在於說我們看到的是國內移轉投票的問題國內移轉投票它涉及到的又是一個價值非常重要的涉及到公平的平等權跟自由跟秘密投票然後也涉及到國家的信任那我剛才也聽到是主委是不是您對於一般我們民眾黨是提出來是國內移轉投票請其他的政黨就是尤其是民進黨不要去特別的去汙名化國內的移轉投票那請我想要說那個被提名的你針對 |
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這國內移選投票的話 您的態度是支持還是怎麼樣我支持啊 |
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我完全同意 但是我覺得不是一步到位沒錯 沒錯 我後面繼續問下去那這個部分我知道你也在你對民眾黨的回應報告當中也有提到說他必須按部就班因為涉及到國家信任的問題還有安全的這個秘密投票問題那你的意思是說先從公投開始嘛對不對包括是從選舉到原住民地方到中央是嗎 |
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好 那重點是 相關的問題包括說我們就他的一個配套措施就是說他對於秘密投票有被破壞的問題還有對選票保管跟運送的問題 那就這兩點你是不是有可能能 如果你當中選會的主委你有沒有什麼後續的一個配套措施規劃或是想法 初步的現在 |
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我還沒有上任中選會主委啦不過我已經很努力的在了解相關的狀況我覺得技術上來講應該是可以處理啦否則這個像原住民的這個部分已經有了初步的大院也已經通過了相關的法律來解決這個問題我覺得 |
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這個基本上是不會有大問題所以是基本上技術性沒有大問題是不是願意要不要做行政機關這部分要不要做的問題我想要講清楚的就是說 |
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如果不在即投票立刻就要實施在2026的這一次九合一地方選舉那是幾乎所有的人包括22個這個地方的選舉委員會就是各縣市六都都齊齊以為不可所以應該要分階段然後實施之後能夠獲得社會的信心社會的信賴 |
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我們再來推展到選舉上面去所以大家可以預期如果您順利當選到中選會主委的話應該會提出中選會的版本半部就版了 就實施可行性去進行嗎是 我希望這樣子好 謝謝 那另外最後一個問題 這個主席先 |
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包容一下 這地方就說您在民眾黨的回應報告當中有提到說呢對於中選會對公投案的審查僅限法律明定要件不涉及到價值判斷不涉及到價值判斷那就是這部分嘛那請問是說如果是針對114年 |
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在有送到中選會的就立法院的一個有公投案這樣子的案提到的中選會去做審查的時候拿到100這一個時候是針對說題目是您是否同意各級法院合議庭法官判處死刑不需一致決的政策呢這個立法院公投案假設您現當時是一個中選會的主委您對於這樣子的一個案子是否能夠成案您的看法是怎麼樣 |
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我觉得那一个案子对中选会来说我事后了解中选会承受了空前巨大的压力要做出一个正确的一个决定是非常困难的 |
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但是我們也要注意到中選會不是立法院提出了前部否決中選會也同意也處理了河山研議公投是的所以有一個通過一個不通過我相信上一屆的中選會委員會有他們的相當完整的思維但是主委被提名人我是問您的看法我是問您的看法 |
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我的看法對這個議題我覺得這是一個非常困難的問題您這樣狀況是您的初步判斷因為這涉及到的是在程序上面這部分你是指的 劉委員我再把題目說一遍 您是否同意各級法院和議題法官判處死刑不需一次決之政策那這個部分是讓民眾去決定 |
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所以他如果過程當中的程序上面並沒有違反的話應該是讓民眾去決定公投的意思就是在這樣子一行沒錯 我充分了解你的意思而這正好也就是觸及了或凸顯了目前台灣這個司法審查權跟直接民選 直接民主之間的衝突 |
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所以這個問題到目前為止還社會還不是完全了解但是我覺得社會可以廣泛的去討論是不是公民投票的結果不能抵觸憲判這是一個很嚴肅的憲政的問題我覺得社會可以去討論但是上一屆的這樣的一個裁決我現在也算半個當事人我不便表達意見好 |
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這樣好謝謝至少我覺得這個被提名的劉教授您提出出來之後你知道現在在審查期間包括也是你過去的在民進黨的黨員後來你退黨但是你就知道說你自己有一個這個學者的價值這個風範我是覺得已經建立起來就是有一個高度肯定但我希望說您如果被立法院同意的話呢你就繼續的在這個位置上面就是在跳脫到政治堅守到行政中立 |
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然後也重建中選 各界對於中選會的這樣一個信任因為大家都覺得中選會那個中是中於執政黨的那個中然後也落實到法定選務然後保障人民的實質參與這對你的期許這一點請委員放心好 謝謝游盈隆就是游盈隆 不會改變好 我們期待大家有目共睹期待OK 謝謝謝謝 感謝劉淑檳委員質詢 |