| IVOD_ID |
167281 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167281 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-28 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-28T10:17:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-28T10:30:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0b5ec5fbcfced67d6f2f7f109162218cf4fe19c94b211847e2c12228464ea44cc2cb998dec49867b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:17:02 - 10:30:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
1.游被提名人盈隆-立法院第11屆第4會期內政、司法及法制委員會第2次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函送中央選舉委員會委員提名名單，游盈隆為委員並為主任委員，胡博硯為委員並為副主任委員，黃文玲、李禮仲、蘇嘉宏、蘇子喬及陳宗義均為委員，請同意案。【1月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席辛苦了有請我們有備提名人有備提名人 |
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因為今天可能沒有機會每一位都追尋到但是我想這是難得的機會可以跟大家分享一些觀點我想破題非常清楚當政治越紛擾的時候 |
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中選會的選務就要越公正超越黨派而且要守憲合法這是每一個從政人員我們我想未來大家有機會如果通過同意權我們在宣誓的時候的誓詞就是於誓以至誠恪遵憲法效忠國家代表人民依法行使職權所以呢超越黨派跟守憲合法是重要的 夏燕 |
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我這邊列出來私藥自己認為的成功的選務的三要素他當然要是公正的他也是要效率的他更要能夠辨明這是選務成功的三要素我也認為中選會的委員的四個要件獨立行使職權 |
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基於專業而且要能夠公正更要首先合法我的選務三要素跟中選會委員的四要件我們未來的這個主委提名人游老師應當都認可吧有沒有補充的完全認可好謝謝我要跟您報告思堯在努力的面向不談政治中選會有很多可以做得更好導入design thinking不曉得老師您對於design thinking有什麼樣的理解 |
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Design Thinking沒關係,我來替您說明好了賈伯斯曾經說Design is not how it looksDesign is about how it works也就是Design Thinking不只是大家說設計美學事實上它是以使用者為切入點讓整個事情更有效率而且可以解決問題 |
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所以我曾經呢因為台灣設計研究院是思堯在任內催生的一個新設的國家的組織透過設計的導入來攪動我們的公共政策也提升公共服務的效能跟品質所以設計院成立之後我們去跟很多部會敲敲門 |
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我也帶著設計院去向前主委李靖勇先生敲敲門希望能夠導入design thinking讓我們的選務更進步更親民更有效率所以這是我當時2021年拜訪李前主委的時候來下一頁 |
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而我們改變了什麼我希望未來的中選會的委員們都能夠持續來推動吳思瑤催生中選會CES設計院投入我們改革了選舉的很多的更進步更變明也更美學的這些做法第一個在投票動線的優化左邊是before右邊是after他更讓大家在有限的空間的移動更有效率就是design的導入 |
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他在選舉公報的優化上 過去我們很多人說選舉公報要在這裡寫字 排版就是非常的unfriendly所以我們找了設計師design thinking以後after是在後面非常清楚讓大家可以一覽所有候選人他的政見相關的學經歷這是設計導入的正向成果 下一頁 |
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設計導入呢還包括這些標識系統的革新越美越清晰不會永遠都是標開啟好不要永遠是中華民國美學而這樣的選舉美學我們獲得世界級的各自設計獎喔獲得亞洲最具影響力的設計獎喔 |
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也獲得台灣的經典設計獎喔所以我希望未來的委員們都能夠持續的來優化這些design thinking導入我們的選務下一頁當然還包括 圈選票處我們真的也讓它更簡潔 更俐落 更好看而不是數十年如一日我們小時候真的投票就是這樣到現在立法院自己的圈選票處還是長一樣 |
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我非常的 |
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因為司法委員剛剛有繞英文我覺得這個就是中選會未來需要的中選會未來需要我是一個進步改革主義者所以任何能夠進步能夠改革的都是好的事情選舉更有效率選舉更美學選舉更變明然後大家對於選舉去投開票所的心情可能也好起來很好 |
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讓我再講一句我沒有想到我在今天來立法院可以看到這些新的觀念我簡直是unbelievable所以立法院是有認真問政優質進步的立委而不是只有毀憲亂政的黨團很好下一頁當然不在即投票是今天的重點我剛剛講的選舉的三要素 |
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公正效率跟便民提案的民眾黨團顯然只著重在降低選民投票成成本的那個便民的思考但是對於公正性跟選舉的效率他會造成選務的混亂甚至影響秘密投票甚至 |
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也或多或少有境外借選風險增高的疑慮產生對於整個投票民主制度的信任危機所以呢絕對不能先求有再求好我們都支持行政院的版本您剛剛也說公投先行好這是我們共同立場我們希望未來大家一起來捍衛這樣子的做法下一頁而以 |
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我們行政院去徵詢了這些執行者選務機關的代表對於不在籍投票欠缺配套的狀況之下是all say no21縣市認為現在可以上路的是0個縣市甚至連民眾黨提案黨團他們自己執政的新竹市也認為不可能 |
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所以呢過半的縣市也都支持行政院的版本公投先行我希望我今天要多花一點時間為什麼要跟主席多爭取一點時間因為民眾黨團的不在即投票他們就是這一屆立法院的壞習慣近乎二讀啊 |
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委員會沒有討論啊直接不翼而覺啊很有可能這週搞不好禮拜五又拿出來表決了所以今天有這個機會跟大家討論我就是希望能夠把這些數據告訴國人告訴社會台灣沒有一個縣市的選務機關認為不在即投票現在可以上路 |
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NO所以我們就要審慎公投先行是多數的共識下頁而我們以投票意願這是我做的其實台灣的選舉投票率都是七成以上 |
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對於這些已經有不在籍投票有不同的可能是電子郵票啊可能是境外投票不同的行使的這些不在籍投票的國家台灣的投票率都是高的除了南韓南韓有他這一次總統大選不同的 |
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政治社會經濟的背景所以說不在於投票並不是等同於高投票意願的這個思維我要在這裡論述在下一頁更重要的是未來這是大家的事情我們要辦一個讓人民滿意的選舉 |
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而你看看台灣目前選務的滿意度2024年總統立委選舉84%的人民滿意給各縣市的選委會跟中選會拍拍手2022地方選舉滿意度83.2%2020總統立委選舉滿意度86.9% |
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唯一一次就是剛剛未來的這個主委候選人話說的災難的2018的那一次公投房大學滿意度是28不滿意度高達68.6%這更要讓我們看到人民的聲音好我跳到我最後一個主題好嗎對不起因為有民調專家我還是想問一下這一題主委 |
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我一直叫您主委 未來的主委您認為在台灣中共競選 境外勢力競選的嚴重嗎有這麼難回答嗎我坦白講作為一個嚴謹的政治學者來講我要回答的是說感覺上很嚴重 |
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事實上政府沒有找到非常多的證據來證明他很嚴重所以我覺得我們應該審慎評估這件事情證據在這裡 |
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看清楚法務部公布中國借選的手段境外資金的借選網路選舉的賭盤跟認知作戰假訊息的操作2024年被偵辦的依反滲透法的案件境外勢力借選117件287人這個不是證據嗎 主委 下一頁 |
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而國民黨黨主席的選舉是自己自家的人跳出來批評的我就不再贅述了中國的借選變本加厲我們就是要欲提從寬料敵從嚴下一頁 |
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各國都有韓國加拿大澳洲美國印度甚至在美國這種民主的國家中國可以利用製造假駕照的方式大量的協助中國的僑民去投票假駕照的方式 |
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所以世界各國面對中國的借選都在進行ING的防範主委我們不要掩耳盜鈴您是民調專家我問您一個專業的問題現在都有民調禁制期在選舉前公布的日期您覺得現在是幾天 您知道嗎10天您認為如果要調整同意嗎未嘗不可 |
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未嘗不可 那調整到幾天是可以接受的幾天好您的我尊重 台灣是民主社會現在國民黨立委要調變三天太危險啦 太危險啦我們回到前一頁 |
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我們看看喔中國受益記者與退休教授捏造9次不實民調遭判刑司法判刑張顯耀先生涉嫌受中國指示發布講民調介入選舉遭起訴這都是司法偵辦換言之為什麼66%民主國家有選舉的民 |
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太短 |
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太短嗎所以就專業論專業我覺得我們今天做一個非常好的示範沒有政黨立場我們超越黨派就專業論專業我們期待每一個委員都是獨立的專業的首先合法的以及能夠公正行使職權的最後一個提醒您提醒主席拍謝下一頁公投的那個這一個 |
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國民黨提出修公統法要用公民覆決來推翻憲判主委你認為呢 |
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797.223 |
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這會是一個高度爭議性的問題所以我剛剛說中學會委員要守憲合法不問黨派守憲合法是基本的底線憲法78條司法院統一解釋憲法之權憲法訴訟法38條所有的憲法判決人民各機關都要服從而人民就包括公投行使的這些主體人民釋字185號也說明了不容挑戰用任何方式來推翻憲判 |
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798.263 |
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825.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
公投法第2條也規定公投的實施要遵循憲法的規定我要提醒大家未來的立法院一再的毀憲亂政要用公投法的修正來凌駕憲法未來這個難題可能會落在各位委員你們在審查公投案的當下我要提醒不看黨派不看顏色守憲合法是我們每一個人宣誓就職 |
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826.721 |
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835.354 |
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的誓詞請大家謹記在心好謝謝游老師我今天多次稱呼您主委不好意思僭越了背題名人游盈隆先生我們一起加油謝謝 |