| IVOD_ID |
167280 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167280 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-28 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-28T10:08:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-28T10:16:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
陳培瑜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:08:41 - 10:16:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
1.游被提名人盈隆-立法院第11屆第4會期內政、司法及法制委員會第2次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函送中央選舉委員會委員提名名單，游盈隆為委員並為主任委員，胡博硯為委員並為副主任委員，黃文玲、李禮仲、蘇嘉宏、蘇子喬及陳宗義均為委員，請同意案。【1月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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人家陳培宇委員執行好 謝謝主席 那有請備題名人備題名人 |
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好 董事長早安我剛剛坐在現場聽了非常多的委員跟您請教了關於不再急投票你的立場非常的清楚就是不再急投票如果貿然實施會是一個大災難那我們就接下來看大家都沒有想到的一個問題我覺得非常的可怕 |
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不確定董事長你有沒有注意到在去年11月我們立法院在藍白惡意強力主導之下通過了公投綁大選而且他說投票案公告成立後一到六個月就要舉行公投這個是針對人民的部分 |
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可是公投法又有規定董事長他說如果是總統交付或是立法院或是行政院提案的特殊公投案不適用相關的頻率跟日期的規定就是沒有一定要兩年才能辦一次所以我可不可以假設一個情況請中選會想一想也請董事長你考慮一下怎麼回答第一個假設今天真的有立法院藍白黨團惡意再提出一個在今年年底大選以前 |
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就來提出一個立法院本身提出的公投案然後逼你們中選會因為剛剛主委你一直被提名人你一直說你支持公投綁大選那我就看年底選舉的時候只要立法院藍白黨團對中選會提出相關公投案不管是什麼主題 |
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那你們就要處理喔可是你剛剛跟我說你支持公投綁大選這是第一個情況那年底就會有九合一大選加上公投綁大選這是第一個困境第二個困境假設我在想像一現在網路上有非常多人在帶風向跟有相關於情討論相關幕僚可不可以讓我問完讓我問完因為第二個問題比較難 |
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好第二個問題第二個問題就是假設有人他發起一個運動叫做我假設年底真的有兩種票可以投一個是公投票一個是九合一大選票可是我只申請移轉不再期投票部分我只申請公投 |
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的部分 可是我不在 我那個九合一大選我還是繼續在我的原戶口的地方投然後呢 我就開始在網路上製造一個輿論叫做是你們中選會為難我 你害我只能放棄某一種選票因為可能我一個票在台北 一個票在花蓮可是假設我當天又沒有辦法兩地趕著投票 |
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那他不去問他自己為什麼要操作這種行為他就會問中選會假設您真的當選主委之後這絕對會是一個難題請不要說我可能過度惡意的想像我必須說現在的台灣社會確實有非常多人是刻意要製造混亂製造國內的不團結甚至在這種看起來像民生事務上給相關行政機關你們造成困難就算中選會是一個獨立機構 |
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首先關於公投綁大選的大是大非的問題他不是大是大非不好意思董事長我認為他是一個相關配套因為辛苦的是我們基層的選務人員就像您剛剛一開始有說他會動到非常非常多選票的規劃從2004年民進黨提出兩個公投綁大選 |
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也都很順利的舉行了2008年民進黨提出兩個公投綁大選國民黨相對也提出兩個四個案也順利辦完了公投綁大選今天碰到的問題是2018的那一場災難因為那一場災難所以大家想說怎麼樣避免災難重現 |
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我剛剛跟大家報告說其中2018年為什麼是獨特的我也希望他是獨特的不會再發生了那是因為他建樹這麼多10個然後又是在這個中選會公告一個月多一點的時間馬上進行投票所以整個選務大亂所以在這種情況底下我覺得 |
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抱歉讓我這樣講西方有一句話不要倒洗澡水連嬰孩一起倒掉意思就是說 |
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公投是重要的跟選舉綁在一起利益甚佳而且過去的經驗也證明說是可以沒有問題 |
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所以我剛剛才進一步跟您請教因為我時間有限我等一下會被主席請下台所以我剛剛問假設有人立法院提案就要在今年大選的時候他真的就有公投題目可以一起投然後又有一群選民假設他真的要惡意操作製造台灣內部的分裂跟不團結氣氛那我就申請我的公民投票部分我可能在AD可是我的九合一大選我還是回到我的戶籍地 |
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357.239 |
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然後到最後說是你們中選會害他不得不拋棄其中某一種投票的權利請問我們怎麼預防這個問題我認為現在的困境就是各種荒謬的狀況真的都很有可能在台灣發生從立法院開始到很多不同黨籍的委員尤其是在野黨的委員不斷的製造非常多分裂跟 |
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惡意的這種對話跟論述所以我必須要提出這麼看似很荒謬的問題但是不可能因為只要是立法院提案或是行政院或是總統交付特殊的提案他就可以不用受兩年頻率這個限制是 我也很希望這種很獨特的狀況不會發生 |
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但如果發生了呢我也希望不要發生那如果發生 我也希望不要發生目前這個所以主委您聽 貝琪您也聽懂我的意思了對不對我當然充分了解您意思中選會公告之後三個月目前新的法律規定是這樣子 |
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對啊所以他只要在下個會期立法院只要有人惡意要操作這個題目我們立法院真的就可以提出一個公投提案然後逼你們中選會表態你們要不要支持這個公投提案讓他走入公投然後年底的時候就公投綁大選我們沒辦法處理政治問題中選會處理行務問題那所以我剛剛說嘛好那假設回到人民我剛剛的意思就是說我陳培餘的戶籍如果在花蓮我就回去花蓮投九合一可是我公投的題目我就把它移轉到台北我住的地方 |
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那最後我創造一個輿論跟氛圍就是是你們中選會害我不得不拋棄其中一種選票因為就是在去年藍白惡意主導公投綁大選硬要這樣通過所以我認為更多的惡意操作都是有可能的那我基於一個負責任的民意代表我認為我有需要跟被提名先討論這個問題當然相關的惡意的做法可能不是 |
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在您的想像當中但是我現在就先提出這個疑問當然我相信後續的很多討論跟配套假設在事件發生之後真的要拜託你們假設你們都能夠成功通過被提名然後成為中選會的委員當然這就是你們要頭痛的事情但我想我身為一個民主的後輩過去看您非常多民主的成就 |
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我必須要在這裡跟您報告過去這兩年來在這一屆立法院確實就很有可能有相關惡意的操作那甚至有相關的支持者就予以配合他真的就會出現我的公投票在台北而我的九合一回到花蓮然後我就說是你們中選會害我只能投其中一種票以上這是我給您的建議我們會留意這方面的情況謝謝 |