| IVOD_ID |
167273 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167273 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-28T10:47:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-28T10:58:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0b5ec5fbcfced67dd376e2dcff8b6fa311b3bb87f1b5dc7ae2c12228464ea44c3eca6ea80bfd1def5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:47:39 - 10:58:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲就「統一發票經費編列及宣傳推廣業務執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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谢谢主席我请财政部部长请庄部长委员好部长我想最近大家都看到很多新闻是说我们非常多民众的小确幸电子发票一块钱中了上千万这个是一件好事现在电子发票在推广的过程里面目前的比例大概大多少了 |
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我们的87%大概都使用电子发票那我们更希望能够运用云端发票然后存到载具里面去因为现在在载具就主动帮你对讲了就不会像有的人找不到了 |
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云端现在比例是多少云端电子发票的65%所以还有很大的成长空间我们希望大家都能够运用所以电子发票是重要的国家政策而且也做了非常的久 |
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那减少纸张浪费的话还有电子账务将来在账务查税上面可能对负税署也有很大的帮助是的那我上次其实在这边已经讲过时间暂停我请一下主计处的副主计长时间暂停请蔡副主计长 |
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是副主席講其實我這個事情在我一到立法院就問過了公家部門對於電子發票尤其是電子發票的使用 |
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當時主計長是說有我們有一個共同的採購契約希望鼓勵但是我們在台北市政府的時候現在台北市政府的電子發票率幾乎是99%我想問一下公部門目前的政府採購有把電子發票作為優先採購的項目嗎 |
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報告黃委員那個是公務工程委員會在但是主計總處是負責所有的核銷嘛我相信主計單位因為你可以去查一下台北市台北市的主計單位基本上已經都全面的電子發票其他的公部門還有中央主管機關尤其是像你們主計單位你們自己有沒有做這樣的要求或者是公部門有沒有做這樣的KPI |
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我們的那個經費捷報系統電子化的經費捷報系統裡面就是如果每年要拉高多少啦至少有個進度表嘛你有沒有做嘛做了怎麼樣成效如何嘛這兩年前我就問過啦 |
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是是是 我們是說如果廠商有電子花票那他就不用再檢附那個花票不用再黏來黏去啦 一張紙黏得亂七八糟啦這個系統就自動到財政部那個評判處去好了 副主席這樣 我今天我覺得這件事情還是重要的不管怎麼樣 政府部門因公由公而失剛 |
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財政部很努力的在推那現在已經達到八成多了但是政府部門竟然沒有把它列為首要的優先尤其主計單位沒有做這樣的要求我覺得很可惜啊很多地方政府目前做不到我相信很困難因為對他們來說是習慣的改變但是台北市做得到我相信其他單位也做得到至少你主計總署所轄單位應該大力的去宣導可以嗎 |
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對 我們的捷報系統就電子化捷報系統就是盡量也可以省很多事情很多人力 很多相關的作業嘛好嗎提供誘因啦你至少開始提出50%的成長率吧好嗎我相信這個組織總書做得到啦只要你下個命令我相信各單位組織單位都會努力以赴嘛你們每年要做那麼多工作這是我的第一個要求副組織長請回 |
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好部長那接下來的問題就是等一下那個負稅署署長要上來現在發票已經成為民眾還有商家一定會使用的東西了我不曉得目前為止依照財政部的函式同意發票不是屬於所謂的公益勸募條例裡面的財務範圍所以募發票不需要向衛福部或主管機關來做報備對不對所以誰都可以募發票嗎誰都可以募集發票嗎 |
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我們在超商都會捐一個那個發票收集的嘛對不對那個可能是某某某某公益團體我們就被丟進去然後他中獎了增加他的收益嘛對吧那所以不是公益團體可不可以募發票 |
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沒有規定沒有規定所以表示任何人都可以募發票募集發票所以大家可以收集發票收集發票要幹嘛中獎嘛另外一種叫幹嘛討漏稅報帳我現在就出示一個非常有趣的畫面在臉書裡面有個社團叫做買賣發票交流團 |
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發票買賣交流團裡面有1831個成員然後裡面告訴你說曾賣2月份的加油發票可協助塔桶邊我的加油發票我可以賣我可以打你的桶邊請你跟我聯絡接下去受工程發票百分之比%可談請跟我聯絡也就是我在賣發票還公然賣發票 |
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接下来有需要工程发票请找我可以当场交易另外一个是找长期配合开发票的工程公司收加油发票4000块去打桶边的高雄面交者家发票面额10%作为酬劳部长我刚问是不是每个人都可以搜集发票 |
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這是不可以的而且還做這個買賣而且他是公開社團你現在部長你現在打開臉書你也看得到還有一個承收一月份的加油發票共需六千塊虛打公司同編接受雙北面交易發票面額百分之十支付買賣要加油發票幹嘛員工要拿回去公司報帳的啦或者是公司在蒐集裡面做抵銷的啦 |
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拿工程發票幹嘛 抵稅嘛都是這一種 這裡面一頭拉骨人一頭拉骨 這個查過沒 要不要查這個部分我們盡快去查這個部分我們盡快去查他已經行之有年 甚至有人直接說跟我聯絡 還有人上去抱怨說我都已經打完你的編號了 結果你失聯了 |
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還在這邊抱怨表示這件事情行之有年公司員工拿假發票回去公司報帳小錢那個賣工程5%的發票的人是大錢啊負稅署知道這件事嗎 |
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國稅局知道這件事嗎剛才我有請同仁去問一下國稅局局長他們目前是都說沒有聽到這件事就是我上臉書就查得到然後你們沒聽說這樣是怎樣不是提醒他就在那裡anytime你只要上去打發票買賣就有這個臉書的網而且他裡面一堆而且應該行之多年 |
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買賣發票 我剛講公益團體可以募集發票他只能拿去對講除非公益團體也拿去核銷那就有問題但這個擺明了就是要逃漏稅幫助逃漏稅是不是有刑責的 |
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如果我們查到具體證據一定會依法處理 |
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這其實是很嚴重的問題如果獅子是對獎那就算了你沒有拿出去交易現在是要依照相關的規定稅捐基徵法41條買發票的部分他以詐欺或其他不正方法逃漏稅捐 |
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要五年以下有期徒刑如果幫助或教唆一樣三年以下有期徒刑這些不管是幫助還是教唆甚至已經在從事甚至已經交易完成然後已經拿到公司去抵稅了這每一個中間你都要查可以嗎可以我們立即處理而且嚴重的是還主動說我公司可以賣 |
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公司可以賣發票 這件事情知識體大他賣了多少 賣了多久 逃了多少稅嚴懲不待 抓到 移送追究他多年來的行為 可以嗎我們會盡速處理 而且依法處理這個不能只有我知道 你們不知道啊國稅局不知道更離譜啊 |
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607.318 |
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已經我們常年都在抓這種討論所以看到他的肖像 鏡像不正常我們也會主動去集合對不對對 沒錯我們本來就在查對那人家大剌剌在外面賣這是明目張膽這是明目張膽而且是公開社團你說他私密社團也就算你找不到公開社團每天都在你現在就可以上去幫他打個統變他就給你10% |
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609.318 |
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634.346 |
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有沒有很離譜因為每個人平常就會加油嘛只是加油了我們就是放在口袋裡然後拿到拿到等到時間拿出來對講他不是耶你放口袋裡之後你我幫你打了統編你還可以去公司報這個稅然後你還要給我報仇發票不該變成犯罪的工具是發票不該變成我們國家鼓勵人民不誠實的工具對吧是 |
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635.206 |
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656.979 |
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還可以拿出來銷售還可以拿出來買賣這些都是不能接受的對吧好所以我給你一點時間雖然我們民眾黨團還是會有新的委員來接所以這個部分部長請你一個月之內查清楚回文給所有民眾黨團還有我們財政委員會的委員好嗎好我們立即處理好謝謝委員謝謝部長謝謝我們結束黃珊珊委員的質詢接下來請林思敏委員 |