| IVOD_ID |
167271 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167271 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-28T10:23:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-28T10:35:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0b5ec5fbcfced67d44bdc9dca737d57611b3bb87f1b5dc7ac551decc99d7f3b2581072cc072802035ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:23:04 - 10:35:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲就「統一發票經費編列及宣傳推廣業務執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席在場的委員先進列席的政府局長署長官員會長共同夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請莊部長還有互稅署的宋署長以及財資中心的張主任好張主任委員好我先問宋署長部長好那署長好署長我先問署長 宋署長你有拿過發票嗎有不用緊張有沒有拿過發票 |
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我現在都用如果有雲端發票我都用APP那你最近拿到的發票是電子發票嗎都是雲端發票只要能刷的話我幫部長請教一下目前我根據你們資料啊114年度你們的租稅宣導活動有1230萬人參加這個數字看起來很大但是呢營業人只有不到1萬人9900募集了489張的發票給社會福利團體 |
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好 你認為這不到500萬張的發票是多還是少你們在推動捐發票做愛心你們有在做嗎有 你有沒有聽過愛心碼有你有做過愛心碼嗎沒有 大部分沒有好 來你覺得不到500張捐給公益團體的發票占我們總體的發票多不多 |
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因為捐發票這個動作基本上還是要其實捐紙本發票是給公益團體製造他們人工的支出捐電子發票很方便愛心多少就出去了因為你也沒用過我告訴你雲端發票110年度開了63億3100萬張結果我們目前公益團體收不到500萬張占比多少千分之0.8不到 |
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請問一下署長你們有在來我用部長好了部長您覺得捐發票做愛心值不值得財政部去支持去推廣值得然後我們是會在那你覺得如果你要捐發票你會怎麼捐把那個紙本發票丟進去嗎你有沒有捐過那是紙本你有沒有捐過我沒有捐過發票你有沒有捐過你有沒有聽過愛心我也沒聽過你也沒聽過愛心可見了糟糕了 |
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部長吃了誠實豆沙包啊他認為捐發票做愛心很好但是他沒有聽過愛心嘛他只知道資本發票然後呢 我們宋署長呢他都是拿電子發票但是他也不曾捐過愛心嘛好 我來告訴你來 我們看統一發票統一發票其實目的不是做愛心啦我要跟你講我沒有要你們不務正業來 看一下意思 |
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當年任選群的時候 民國39年那時候弄了一個發貨票跟給獎暫行辦法 目的防止逃漏充實稅收39年首度實施收了2,900 隔了一年收到5,100有沒有效果 有效果所以這裡面有兩個部分 規定誰要使用發票而且要給獎對不對 你們給獎是定多少給獎是定幾% 定3%嘛 對不對 |
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好那過去呢是大概187億你們實際大概置了168億我們看下一頁現在誰開的發票最多組長你們告訴我這些特別中獎的青車來自哪裡是不是都是連鎖店是不是都是連鎖店 |
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為什麼因為連鎖店開的發票佔我們發出的發票九成以上所以你要大家再去營業人用發票其實大部分民眾拿到來對講的發票已經是連鎖店了連鎖店會逃漏不開發票嗎基本上不會所以說我們往下看 |
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所以說過去你們的預算變了197億我請問你 多少是獎金 多少是宣導目前96%是獎金 96% 4%是宣導4%乘以不到200億大概多少錢 大概8000萬 |
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8億啦 8億對不對你們8億要去做什麼做宣導嘛 是不是但是呢 其實大家關心的都什麼委員在關心什麼 小確幸關心的是拿獎金其實呢 有沒有獎金決定了消費者拿不拿發票 |
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但是對於店家他要不要開發票其實差別有限是不是這樣子好我們來往下看所以說你們現在統一發票繼續給獎有沒有開發受援的效果有該裝的都裝了 |
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對不對 你們該裝發票的都裝啦只是鼓勵民眾要繼續去拿我們沒有人敢說要廢掉同意發票來給人家獎金因為這是民眾的小確幸但是民眾還需要你去宣導拿發票嗎他不是因為你宣導去拿發票的他是因為有獎金他拿發票像我 我都捐愛心嘛 |
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我也不在乎獎金但是你的宣導應該已經效果極致了其實統一發票現在的功能是什麼從變成增加稅收保時安是不是這樣子每次發現時安問題我們都是查什麼查營業人交易鏈的發票流向找到源頭嘛所以透過這個競銷項的沖底你們可以找到什麼找到一個物流跟金流的憑證是不是 |
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所以部長來請你部長來其實統一發票不要小看它已經不是幫助我們國家徵稅收的方式它是確保我們這個社會的經濟活動運行物流跟金流有一個憑證幫助食安你同不同意 |
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完全同意我們來看現在食安說什麼現在餐飲業務部說什麼說從業人員餐飲從業人員調理食品的時候首部不可以同時或接觸繼續接觸金錢你支持嗎你敢不敢去買個小吃攤他跟你要跟你找錢找了錢插一下再繼續煮你敢吃嗎所以你支持嘛對不對衛夫在這活動支持但是衛夫不敢用罰的啊罰的夜市攤會嘩嘩叫啊 |
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財政部可以幫忙 你知道怎麼幫忙嗎 往下看其實去年我跟宋組長跟你這邊溝通很久我們先優先導入小規模營業人導入行動支付的優惠方法本來小規模營業人是1%如果說他月經營業額超過20萬照規定要同意發票 要增加很多的成本但是你們如果鼓勵這些餐飲同業呢他們用自助找營 自助收營 點餐系統 |
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不用碰錢對不對用電子支付也好用時鈔也好所以呢這種情況之下你們維持他一趴的優惠換成你是小店家你會不會心動 |
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對 一般小店家不願意承認我的營業額超過20萬超過20萬要變你們怎麼樣 要用統一發票嘛從401到405的報表 很麻煩 對不對所以你們給他1% 他可以到哪裡署長告訴我 他月經營業額是不是可以到80萬同樣是月經營業額 他過去只找20萬以下的1% |
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你現在鼓勵他說用這個方式他的實收營業額到八十萬以下的還是一趴你增加多少的稅收一趴變成二十萬變成八十萬增加四倍要不要鼓勵 部長要不要鼓勵這個才會有用啊部長請繼續 你現在好像很怕接近麥克風 |
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所以我要跟你說的是說統一發票的宣傳跟給獎給獎絕對要保持但是宣傳呢你已經不需要去宣傳了該賺的店家都裝了現在這些小店家他維持1%在20萬月經營業額如果你讓他這個優惠他想反正我就用這個機器我的月經營業額在80萬以內我都還是1%他會願意這時候你的稅收增加了4倍你要不要去宣導 |
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宣導我們是一直持續在說 你有多少錢宣導然後委員 你有多少錢宣導 多少錢我們剛剛講了啊 四億啊 四億對啊 好 四億齁 把四億拿出來好好的宣導 這樣才是增加稅收還有 你這樣幫助什麼幫助我們國民的食安幫助這些餐飲小店 他的調理人員 調理食物師前後不用再去碰觸金錢 你支不支持部長支不支持 |
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委員非常支持這個部分然後我們財政部也訂了相關的一個機制這包含就是所謂用行動支付還有多媒體這個資訊服務的點餐因為這樣子所以我想謝謝委員好 我要告訴你說統一發票你現在大部分都是由連鎖業出來的了其實你要繼續宣導它的防逃漏 收效慎為但是呢如果這些原來不用統一發票的小店家你鼓勵他用這個自助收銀點餐機 |
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它因為月經營業提高到80萬以上以下還可以維持1%它會採用所以是不是有助於稅收減輕負擔 有嘛所以最後我們希望你們知道嗎你們過去國稅局的宣導路跑活動有因為路跑活動去多拿發票的有沒有舉手看一看我有去參加路跑 我參加了三年 |
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你們擺攤位送贈品啊我每次去參加園園優惠倒數三名的就是三個宣導第一 反我宣導第二 反詐騙宣導第三 租稅宣導因為大家覺得你們贈品都 瘦瘦其實你們要宣傳的是什麼幫助小店家使用你們的自助收銀然後點餐機讓他們享受80萬月均營業額以下一趴的優惠部長 知不支持 |
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宣導除了路跑活動之外其實還有多元的方式以及去輔導你舉一個例子我來聽聽我經常在地方跟你們稅局配合你應該請你們賦稅署跟國稅局多多的開發多元你們跟傳統店家在鄉下告訴他們小店家用這個自助 |
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收銀 點餐機讓老人用現鈔也可以用讓這些稅務代理人也去用甚至你們跟經濟部走啊經濟部在2018年推動了行動支付1%的優惠對不對那時候你們財政部有發宣導費嗎沒有通通都是經濟部你要不要我幫你跟經濟部請他們一起來宣導 |
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我們一起宣導也可以你希望我去跟經濟部講嗎我們自己也可以聯絡你不希望我跟經濟部講那當然委員願意幫忙很好 我就照你的意思我一定下次質詢經濟部叫他們好好的來做宣導幫助我們的小店家幫助我們的國民食安好不好最後結論讓他複製更多對 |
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然後你們4億的宣導費拿一下來用有效宣導 查訂 科證 營業人使用行動支付及多媒體資訊服務機適用租稅優惠對不起啊這個實在不是一個很好的宣傳者我一口氣都念不完啊 |
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簡單講就是什麼鼓勵這些免用統一發票的小店家尤其餐飲業用自助收銀點餐機讓他可以享受月均營業額80萬以下維持營業稅1%的優惠我現在講的這段影片剪下來好好去宣導花點錢宣導四億拿出一些出來宣導跟經濟部一起宣導好不好好的謝謝委員充實稅收幫助國民食安好不好是的好謝謝好謝謝鍾嘉賓委員 |
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接下來我們請李坤澄召委 |