| IVOD_ID |
167265 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167265 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-28 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-28T09:32:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-28T09:42:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:32:00 - 09:42:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會（事由：「政務人員權利義務法制化」公聽會） |
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非常感謝今天這麼多與會的學者專家還有法界政界的先進到立法院針對政務人員權利義務法制化的公定會提供寶貴的意見那我相信大家都非常的清楚政務人員法制化這完全不是一個新的議題這是早就該做拖延到今天遲遲不做的一個問題 |
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這個早就該做拖延到今天遲遲不做的問題背後結構性的因素我相信大家也都很了解過去曾經高深倡議過政務人員應該要法治化等到自己掌握權力了以後完全不想要受任何的規範完全不想要受任何的規範開始提一些莫名其妙牽托的理由想要阻礙 |
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搞到最後連這個主管機關到底是行政院還是考試院喬不定都可以成為阻礙這部法律立法的理由我相信在立法院久了就知道要反對一個法案從來都不是直接表示反對要反對一個法案只要找到裡面幾個 |
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事情說還要再討論還要再研議就永無止計的延宕下去政務人員法治化正是其中一個非常典型的例子政務人員沒有法治化他會產生什麼荒謬的現象他會產生荒謬的現象是即使是五院的院長請假超過一年 |
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請假超過一年也沒有關係這是什麼荒謬的法治啊我在社會法治委員會針對這件事情提出質詢的時候因為政務人員沒有法治的話去適用一般有身份保障有身份保障一般公務員的請假規則這是可笑至極啊 |
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按照我們公務人員請假規則因為疾病需要治療 需要休養我們將心比心都可以認同可以請病假每年28天那但是呢 |
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如果是重大疾病的話依照規定核給的病假、試假、休假、補假全部休完了以後長官可以核准延長病假其期間兩年內合併計算不得超過一年對於有身份保障的事務官在遇到重大疾病的時候給予這樣的保障我個人是認同的 |
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但是這個規定你把它硬套到政務人員身上特別是院長級部長級的身上你就知道這件事情有多荒謬你要用公務人員請教規則那我第一個問題想要請教的是請問監察院院長的長官是誰請問監察院院長的長官是誰是哪一位長官 |
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特別核准可以請延長病假兩年內合併不得超過一年這個長官存在嗎這個長官存在嗎如果這個長官存在真的要用這個請假規則的話請問這個長官就所何止是來欽德總統嗎還是因為請假的是院長因為是院長位高權重 |
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下面的公務人員即使看了搖頭也沒有辦法也沒有辦法只能讓他照這個荒謬的規定這個荒謬的規定我上一次請監察院函附按照他們依照所謂的公務人員請假規則到底可以請假到什麼時候監察院給我的公文完全不敢回覆 |
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完全不敢回覆這個具體的問題用抽象的文字想要遮掩很多殘酷的事實什麼叫做用抽象的文字要遮掩殘酷的事實依照監察院的函附抽象的文字我套用法規以及日曆算出來的我跟大家報告一下陳菊從2024年12月底開始請假 |
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2025年有250個工作日依照監察院含附的內容陳菊院長每年可以請28天的病假7天的試假30天的休假我相信啊這個假期啊所有全國的勞工看了都非常的羨慕 |
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也就是在250個工作天裡面他可以請完65天250個工作天裡面我講的是工作天啊我講的是工作天啊不是日曆日啊250個工作天他可以請65天的假日他請完65天以後再請延長病假 |
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所以扣掉265扣掉65他只需要請185天的延長病假兩年內合併的延長病假請不可以超過一年所以到2026年也就是今年245個工作天他可以再請65天的假日再請65天的假日扣掉了以後他可以再請180天的延長病假 |
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我跟大家報告他延長病假不用用滿他任期就借滿他任期就借滿那代表什麼意思呢代表按照我國現行的法制一個監察院院長沒有辦法在院長的職位上面履行他工作的職責可以一直請假一直請假請到到請假到他任期借滿為止都沒有關係 |
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在我國目前的法治狀態下面是合法的我們是法律人依法論法是合法的但我相信全國的人民會想要問一個問題為什麼這樣會是合法的這是什麼法治狀態這是什麼落後的法治狀態搞到這麼離譜的事情竟然是合法的 |
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這是中華民國走到2026年的法治水準嗎回到2012年考試院行政院所提出的政務人員法草案裡面規範的就很清楚因健康或其他原因難以執行職權者 拜託 |
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這個職務就換這個職務就換有能力履行這個職務的人來做了這只是一個簡單的例子凸顯出來目前為什麼要推動要完成這個政務人員法我剛剛在動詞的時候啊除了推動我還加完成兩個字啊因為我希望這一屆的國會不要再只是推動了 |
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推動了十幾年原地踏步一事無成造成了荒謬的法治狀態束手無策政務人員負政治責任跟一般文官的中立性質不同我相信 |
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這是公民的ABC不需要多談但是即使是政務人員還是有一條紅線你沒有辦法跨過而那條紅線就是在政務人員法裡面要好好規範的事項即使是一個政務人員可以在他上班的時間在社群媒體上鼓吹無差別的對在野黨的立委發動大罷免嗎 |
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這是在我國目前的民主法治下可以容許政務人員做的事嗎拿納稅人的錢在你的位置上期待你的是你負起責任把你的事情做好而不是拿納稅人的錢上班的時間在自己的辦公室 |
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進行政治鬥爭這是台灣這一兩年可能我們過去從來沒有想像過荒腔走板的行徑走到2026年我希望這部法律案不要再拖下去了 |
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不要再拖下去了能夠在這一屆的國會啊完成立法最後再次的感謝今天與會的學者專家波榮來立法院提供各位寶貴的意見各位寶貴的意見在立法院公報上面的登載都會成為接下來立法委員在修正法律的時候重要的參酌謝謝 |