| IVOD_ID |
167264 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167264 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-28T09:24:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-28T09:35:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0b5ec5fbcfced67d7a9170976e552b1011b3bb87f1b5dc7a6156b03e721490b7a31332d4c37b8b925ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:24:29 - 09:35:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲就「統一發票經費編列及宣傳推廣業務執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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請財政部莊部長請莊部長委員長部長我們跟美國的這個關稅談判的那個投資金額啊就是你剛剛提到的自主企業自主投資金額其實是2500億嘛 |
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然後另外的2500億是將來如果有我們的企業要到美國去設廠投資的時候他的融資的信用保證的這些的這個額度所以真正的投資額度其實是2500億請問有沒有實現 |
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這個部分其實我們的產業赴美投資其實這是多年以來都有這樣的一個情況而且是基於他自己產業的方式我目前看到是沒有對啊所以這2500億是等於沒有條件嘛光台積電1650億已經宣布的投資也包括在這裡面對不對 |
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是的有包含的那2500億扣掉台積電一家1650億這是算數嘛剩下850億還沒扣掉偽創沒有扣掉鴻海沒有扣掉聯發科沒有扣掉環球軍這些都已經在美國設廠而且準備要增加投資的額度 |
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我跟你說我個人是這樣想啦如果美國這2500億不是希望你投資的金額的地板而是給你天花板的話這會跟當年的紡織配額一樣要去還要跟他買還要跟他買價格勒還要買這個配額勒 |
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2500億不夠用啦因為也沒有實現啊也沒有跟你講一年兩年三年五年十年他都沒跟你講嘛所以美國是一個沒有條件啦坦白講這就是一個假裝條件就我們讀法律的人這個叫做假裝條件你知道嗎假裝條件說你今年的稅收是三兆假設是這樣 |
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我現在先假設一個前提然後我現在給你開一個條件你今年費給我超過兩兆不可喔不然要怎麼樣怎麼樣要給你什麼樣的後果這個在法律上這個叫假裝條件因為這已經成價了嘛事實上就沒有要求你嘛所以2500億投資既沒有年限 |
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沒有跟你講幾年內要投資啊再加上把現在已經去美國投資的金額都計算在這2500億裡面所以是沒有條件啦第二個我今天這麼多的航空的董事長在這邊喔如果以我們國內這些現在全世界一流的這些企業要去美國投資啊借錢喔沒有信用擔保他們都借啦台積電要跟你借錢你不借嗎 |
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鴻海跟你借錢你不借嗎環球金跟你借錢你不借嗎所以這個所謂2500億的去美國投資的信用擔保喔真的不用擔心啦很多廠商他自己發行公司在比你跟銀行借錢要快啦對不對台積電要投資1650億美金你聽說他跟國內哪一家銀行借錢啊就沒有嘛他錢滿手都是錢他要跟你借錢 |
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所以其實美國跟我們這個談判的這兩個條件在我來看都是假裝條件根本事實上請問我們台灣哪一樣做不到台灣政府現在需要為了這個談判然後趕快去逼企業廠商說你趕快給我去投資沒有耶 大家都是高興的因為台積電要去設廠所以他的台積電的供應廠商希望跟著去設廠究竟能夠服務台積電 |
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像一些設備廠商吳承士的漢堂什麼這些都上市公司啊他們現在都急得要趕快去啊不用政府去邀請說因為我們跟美國談判了什麼條件條投資2500億所以你們這些在國內的廠商你趕快給我去美國投資不用政府要求啦人家做生意急得不得了啊在我來看是這樣不知道你的看法怎麼樣 |
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委員說得很適合其實赴美投資的產業他本身有他自己的需求比如說對服務客戶更接近然後或者有潛在的一個訂單而且這些大廠商其實他本身的自由資金如果充沛的話他也不建議要跟銀行貸款或者以其他的方式來做融資包含發行公司債這些部分 |
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或者他足够有的担保他也不需要再另外送所谓的信用担保所以这个部分所谓信用担保的机制是一个建立但是并不是一下子也要到位或什么事实上按照需要的额度再来做一些调整以上对所以是找尽任何的理由调任何的毛病希望能够阻挡这个谈判嘛 |
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那問題是這個很嚴重啊如果在立法院不通過這關稅等於就沒有談了 回到原來 原來是多少原來是20%然後還有疊加對不對20%加疊加 對那不得了 那3、40%的關稅他現在跟你講說15%談得不好 我不要給你過讓你回到40幾%的關稅 天下有這樣的邏輯嗎這個邏輯會通嗎 |
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連15%不疊加其實產業界都覺得很肯定然後也會去爭取相關的訂單假設我們台灣的國會你們送進來之後也跟韓國一樣搞了半年不給你過的話有可能美國說你們就沒有誠意啊這個沒有條件的這個關稅要給你減量到這個地步你也不要啊那我們做生意是跟你的對手比嘛 |
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今天美國市場我們台灣一年 巨年一年的跟人家出超1500億美金欸你賺了人家1500億美金欸如果以國際貿易的講究平衡化 換位思考美國不用跟你談什麼東西你就給我出超這麼多一套國際貿易平衡的理念我就可以對你出手啦 |
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美國是因為把台灣當作是他現在的準盟友然後需要台灣幫他重建製造業所以用了非常容易的條件跟比其他國家更優惠的條件要讓台灣台灣得到位有的地位什麼時候美國的財政部長公開講台灣這個國家還請你到這個財政部裡面去跟他簽約 |
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以前只能夠躲在咖啡廳或是在這個文化辦事處或是在那個什麼在台協會這樣子的非官方機構裡面弄嘛對不對這一次完全承認你是一個國家沒有等於沒有條件現在還意見一大堆之前一直罵說不趕快去談讓這些傳統產業很難生存 |
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台灣的生意人沒有這麼差啦 台灣生意人非常拼啦我們過去被中國共產黨打壓所以台灣都不能參加國際的貿易組織包括RCEP 包括CPTDP都被中國阻攔跟其他國家簽FTA也很困難所以台灣過去其實一直比人家關稅就高可是台灣的生意人非常了不起提著一個皮箱全世界做生意 |
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還能夠把台灣的經濟去撐起來剛剛股市台積電破1800啦掏空台灣台積電1800然後股市破將近三萬三千點啦三萬兩千七百點啦天天節節高一直漲經濟過熱今天發表那個 |
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燈號已經變成紅燈了 都已經過熱了還在講說台灣的經濟很糟糕 民不聊生我就不知道為什麼大家認知可以差距這麼大他的資訊從哪裡來的不要光是看那些中國共產黨給你的資訊跟媒體啦不然的話看到的都是害死自己當初台大教授說台積電會跌破五千塊五百塊 現在一千八啦當初聽他話放空的人 現在應該跑路啦 |
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所以真的是睜開眼睛看看這個世界不要活在自己的象牙塔裡面講偷工台灣就最好笑了台積電有哪一家工廠關起來然後移到美國去啊沒有欸 還在增加投資欸還要再增加今年又宣布五個廠再加上新建做的現在還要再增加18個廠欸台灣的電力供應 土地供應 水力供應都很吃緊 大家拼命在想辦法要解決欸 |
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然後這樣子的一直增加投資在台灣一直增加台灣的製造量然後說要掏空台灣到美國去如果今天把工廠關起來然後移到美國設廠台灣的工人都淺散像以前馬英九時代大膽吸盡這個樣子去中國那才叫做掏空台灣啦對不對台灣的製造增加台灣的工廠增加台灣的用人一直在增加 |
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然後因為他的需要他的業務需要要在美國增加供給所以他在美國做增加廠這樣叫掏空台灣那如果這樣子可以通的話一間大餐廳開在台北市的他覺得說台中的客人他也要服務去台中開了一家分店台北市這一家繼續營業可不可以叫做掏空台北啊 |
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江是不是掏空台北我們叫他的擴電擴電的是啊明明企業就在擴展那你在說掏空台灣這邏輯到底是怎麼一回事啊所以我覺得我們的政務官要大膽的用力的辯護聽到這些邪魔歪教的歪論相信他話的人持大虧啦相信台灣我們一直穩健大步在前進當中好謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好謝謝吳秉瑞委員部長請回接下來請賴思寶委員質詢 |