| IVOD_ID |
167246 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167246 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-26T11:40:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-26T11:52:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/eb9c45f2fd618810ac10d638fb43697a2e6dd44a39c46b25f80b2b3af3c693787a77234ac69c45595ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:40:17 - 11:52:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、經濟部龔部長明鑫、農業部陳部長駿季、國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊顯就「針對台美關稅貿易協議內容，對國家整體財經、國內產業與就業、股匯市場與各項民生通膨之影響與因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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我們請財政部莊部長經貿談判辦公室徐執密請莊部長徐執密經濟部何次長何次長國發會的高副主委高副主委 |
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好 謝謝當然首先先謝謝羅委員今天因為股市上三萬點請大家吃雞排那我也希望這個在野黨的委員能夠早一點讓總預算能夠通過總預算能夠早一點附委通過我相信我們的股市一定還會再漲 |
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很快就可以再輪到我們農民宅委員再請一次雞排啦但是前提是總運32線讓我們過來好不好再拜託一下好來我先請教一下莊部長好了莊部長昨天那個美國的這個自由攀登的好手Alex爬上這個101你有沒有看這個直播啊 |
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有看有看直播這個應該也是看得心驚膽跳不過我這邊要肯定我們賈永傑董事長因為他說他把101外面的五根旗幟全部都換成我們中華民國的國旗所以Netflix不管你從哪個角度拍 |
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都可以拍到這個中華民國的國旗是一個非常成功的行銷台灣我覺得做得非常好我覺得這個要給賈文傑董事長要肯定他要稱讚他這個也做了一個大膽的決定但是結果對於台灣整體的形象來講是非常好的那我請教一下部長我們這一次請Alex來攀登101有沒有財政部或是101有沒有花到任何錢 |
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沒有 101也沒有提供任何經費還有贊助或資金這各方面的支持只是提供場地 然後做相關的協調跟宣傳那財政部也更沒有出資了完全沒有 完全沒有那等於是說我們101在零出資的情況之下然後讓整個全世界暫時看到台灣 |
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讓全世界看到台灣以及我們的國旗的飄揚那我覺得真的很不容易啦我本來還以為說我們101有出錢所以這次101也沒有出到半毛錢沒有那之前101蔣永傑他答應的時候你知不知道這件事情 |
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這個部分是他們公司治理以及他們一個策略的規劃這個部分並不需要提報到財政部等於就是尊重101的決定就對了這是我要稱讚傑奧文傑董事長 稱讚101 |
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尤其是用零出資的方式然後成功的行銷台灣我覺得這個值得肯定那也值得我覺得所有的公務人員其實都可以想一下有時候你用非常少的資本甚至像這次零資本然後創造那麼大的效益其實我覺得都應該給予肯定跟鼓勵好 謝謝部長那我請教一下這個接下來可能要請教一下國發會還有徐執密 |
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這個 因為一直在提到說這個五千億美元的這個投資那其實現在大家都知道說兩千五百億是由民間企業自主投資那另外兩千五百億呢等於是這個政府的這個信保嘛那我請教一下這個如果經濟部和市長知道也幫忙協助一下目前這兩千五百億的企業自主投資是不是包含了一千六百五十億台積電的投資有嗎 |
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這個應該投資的計算應該還要再跟美方那邊再確認一下徐直銘知道嗎 |
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是有包含正在計畫中的投資就是包含這1650億包含計畫中的投資包含進去了那所以2500已經扣掉1650億了然後那不然徐殖民來來再請答覆那所以這個剩下的這一個投資應該也是這一個跟台積電相關的這些企業會在過去投資嗎 |
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那所以大概有有有些特定的廠商會過去投資的嗎?經濟部 市長 |
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其實我們在跟美方談判之前都已經有跟我們台灣的這些電子資訊大廠都有開過一個會議大概也了解一下他們現在正在進行中還有未來想要去投資的這個金額所以我們才會所以大概就是談定了說大概會有這些企業會進去投資大概就是2500億 |
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應該是說會朝這樣的一個方向但是多少年倒是沒有提到大概有多少所以這2500億也不是隨便畫出來的數字是 應該是這樣就是跟我們台灣的企業半導體的企業都談過就對了有談過了好 接下來我問高副主委另外2500億 |
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這個就是說這個等於是國家信用保證那你們有提到就是說這個財政部這邊莊部長也留住這個會由國發基金來籌措邀請公民銀行公股銀行來這個參與就對了那目前的這個準備的情況怎麼樣我們正在跟一些公股銀行跟那個民銀行在做協商當中就是說在進行當中莊部長有跟公股銀行有談過嗎 |
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跟委員報告這個部分國發會在整體的規劃那未來呢會由公股銀行還有民營的銀行一起加入以及國發基金一起加入那這整個的期程以及出資的一個狀況會再進一步的做詳細的研議 |
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那我相信這2500億也不是這個憑空化出來的2500億並沒有一步到位他只是提供一個支持然後支持金融機構對提供一個最高額度2500億因為你們有提到就是說這個信保的機制大概需要62.5億到100億但是也不是一次到位嘛對 都是分年分期來做的好 那這個錢這個總是要有 |
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低筒金嘛那這低筒金的低筆錢是從哪裡來的當然會目前的規劃國發基金也好還有公股銀行跟民營銀行一起加入那國發基金這個高富足委所以部分還是會用到政府的預算 |
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還是用基金的方式用基金 用國發基金出資的方式用國發基金的方式對 國發基金出資所以第一筆大概要出多少錢我們目前預估如果是62.5億的話大概是會300到400億的台幣然後基本上就是由國發基金跟公民銀行一起 |
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所以初期大概就是三四百億那就是由國發基金跟我們的公民銀行一起來來籌措這是第一桶金就對了但是會過去的我認為也是跟半導體高科技相關的產業吧因為一般的產業它不會特別過去那這些產業老實講也都很有錢是沒錯 |
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也都很有錢他們自己有資金然後就算是要跟銀行借錢需要國家信用保證的話我認為這些企業其實第一個不缺資金第二個就算來借錢未來都會還錢其實我們都會賺 |
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所以公股跟民營銀行才有加入的用意對於公民銀行來講 他們也可以賺錢啊是不是 也算是投資啊所以他們才願意共同來參與那這是雙贏啊那我覺得這部分 外界一直在做誤解在誤導 政府要出2500億 總共要出5000億 |
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501.635 |
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518.704 |
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這個還在洗我是覺得說相關的這些說明還是要說得更清楚公民銀行就算來投資也是最後也是會賺因為這些都是非常有信用的大公司有助於他的放款的業務國際放款的業務好 那請一下徐子密 |
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520.527 |
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536.3 |
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接下來大家會更關心我們現在簽的是台美投資合作備忘錄MOU對不對是請問一下台美對等貿易協定大概要多久的時間目前雙方正在做法律文字的檢視還有項目的核對我們預計是數週內可以完成簽署 |
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542.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
563.8 |
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數週內農曆年前可以完成嗎我們目前雙方其實都很努力的在聯繫事實上我們最近跟美方的聯繫美方也說雖然現在美東大學他們在放學假但是他們不會就不工作他們還是會繼續工作所以我們雙方都持續在聯繫我們希望能夠盡快完成所以數週內算一算其實也是在 |
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台灣的農曆年前我們是二月中嗎我們會盡快盡快好那這個協定要送到立法院來做審議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
605.459 |
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在簽署台美對等貿易協定之後行政院會依據條約締結法的程序將投資MOU跟貿易協定都一起送到立法院好 那立法院來做審議那狀況就會很多了它有可能全部都通過但是有可能全部都否定那有可能修改內部的文字那我先講不要講最極端的情況那如果它去修改你們 |
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談定了這個協定的話那協定沒有生效嗎協定就沒有生效了如果有修改的話那是那協定沒有生效的話第一個重談如果要重談必須要雙方都同意跟委員報告剛剛其實也有說明過就是說我們不方便去對於這個假設性的狀況沒關係就是你如果 |
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立法院做了更改第一個沒有生效嘛這是確定的嘛那沒有確定就兩個一個就是重談那要看美國要不要跟你談但是我認為呢美國不會跟你重談按照川普他的這個態度啊他就不跟你重談了 |
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他就是從這個本來的20再疊加或許再回到更早之前32%或是更慘的有可能因為好不容易跟美國就已經談妥了那結果呢 台灣的立法院不同意 |
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那本已經談到這15%不疊加了那現在有可能回到最壞的情況就是回到過去剛開始去年4月哈索提出來的那個告關稅啊對台灣來講傷害傷害是非常的大非常的嚴重啊我覺得要把這個嚴重性你雖然說不是假設性的問題但是你們要預想到如果這樣子的話對我們現在所有的企業它的影響會有多大我看很多的這些 |
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工具業也好 機具業也好許多產業他們講說談到15%不疊加對他們來講都非常好我們的預估經濟成長也會再增加結果如果因為談判不生效那因為談判作廢了 |
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736.153 |
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那整個你們談了這麼久的這個貿易的協定那最後就作廢了那按照川普我認為啦川普就直接給你灌上去了他就不管你了這對於台灣來講危害是非常大的我覺得你們要把最壞的情況算在內就是立法院有可能會不同意或是有可能會去更改你們跟美方談妥的那些協定你們要把最壞的情況要跟國人講 |
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知道嗎謝謝委員指教好 謝謝好 謝謝李坤城委員好 次長請回 OK好 接下來我們請黃珊珊委員質詢 |