| IVOD_ID |
167241 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167241 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-26T11:06:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-26T11:21:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/eb9c45f2fd6188103048a80a8a6b02972e6dd44a39c46b25f80b2b3af3c693783af37138b611437b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林思銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:06:10 - 11:21:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、經濟部龔部長明鑫、農業部陳部長駿季、國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊顯就「針對台美關稅貿易協議內容，對國家整體財經、國內產業與就業、股匯市場與各項民生通膨之影響與因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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我先請國發會高副主委還有經濟部何次長還有金管會彭主委各位好 |
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我想針對我們台美關稅貿易的協議內容站在我們在野黨監督的一個立場我們還是必須對相關談判的結果提出我們的看法以及我們相關的問題來詢問各位 |
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有關台美關稅貿易協議的內容卓院長在1月20號的記者會對外一再的強調2500億美元是國內企業直接自主的投資2500億2500億美元是政府運用信用保證的一個機制但是我們看到美國的商務部長盧特尼他對外說 |
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台湾的对美投资这2500亿加2500亿这只是头期款他们的目标是要将台湾40%的半导体供应链转移到美国所以我请问国发会主委你认为 |
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美國除了要2500加2500億美金的一個投資以外而且要將他的目標設定把台灣40%的半導體供應鏈轉移到美國站在國家發展的角色上這樣是否會造成對台灣整體產業經濟的外移以及我們人才流失的一個疑慮 |
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會不會有這樣的一個疑慮我跟委員報告基本上2500億是企業自主的投資當然投資的對象美方希望我們去的是半導體跟AI的伺服器供應鏈可是第一個40%的半導體供應鏈如果按照現在投資設廠的方式來說我想經濟部有說最多最多到2032年只會有20%的 |
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這些先進製程會到美國在美國落地然後基本上我想我剛才有講到其實最近因為所謂的AI基礎建設的快速的發展其實我們知道那個需求非常殷切台積電已經變成全球第六大市值的企業了所以它不可能只在台灣它必須要做全球佈局 |
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全球布局裡面如果我們要接近所謂的我們的客戶的需求的話我們台積電有74%的客戶在北美所以美國的確是我們所謂的半導體跟AI伺服器它要做全球布局最好的地方主委 這個你一再強調過了我想你針對 |
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當然這是你一個面向的看法但是我剛才提到了這個是否會造成我們產業的外移以及我們人才流失這樣的疑慮你針對這個問題來回答我們會知道說如果我們跟台美的供應鏈更鞏固的時候其實我們剛才經濟部也講到其實我們同步如果我們同步在國內台積電它國內有10億座的晶圓廠同時在建 |
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然后相对其实在美国的六座我们刚才讲到2032年最多只有20%的财源对然后而且它获利增加的时候它就会资本支出就会增加然后资本支出增加的话其实对国内的投资的设厂反而是更为有利所以我们要从动态的整体观点来看我们赴美投资的这件事情不是我们直接去扣掉我们要投资的金额而是它会有一个反向回馈的 |
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作用它會增加企業的獲利企業的獲利的資本支出就會增加資本支出增加也會增加在台灣的投資我想你也是沒回答到我的問題我告訴你一個事實其實如果說台積電到美國投資或者其他的相關的產業鏈到美國 |
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這整個會造成我們人才很多都要赴美工作其實在新竹地區很多的這些相關的從業的工程師他都告訴我其實他們很可能以後就要遷移到國外他可能就要移民到美國去在那邊就是跟著整個公司在那邊生存發展 |
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所以我們造成很多人才要過去所以造成說整個我們培養的人才到美國而我們相關的我們人才的培育能夠銜接的上嗎這個都是我們要考量的我跟委員說其實大家也滿關心這些 |
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人才東進的這個議題第一個其實我們的研發核心的研發團隊絕對還會留在國內然後第二個其實企業赴海外設廠我們實際上我們有利於吸引全球人才為台廠所用譬如說台積電跟德國的薩克森邦德已經共同推動了一個台德半導體的人才培育計畫所以我透過全球佈局其實我可以把全球的半導體跟AI的人才吸引到台灣來 |
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其實也會為我們所用那固然我們全球佈局當然有些人會到其他國家去其實要培養一個半導體整個產業鏈的這些工程師這個是台灣努力很久的一個成果所以說如果我們的這些高階工程師都因為陪著要到美國設廠他們也要跟著過去我們要重新培育一批這些高科技的工程師跟人才我想這是一個很大的工程 |
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所以我覺得說你還是要很誠懇的告訴國人這樣子我們未來我們國發會要怎麼樣做人才的一個佈局我想這部分除了你剛才講的以外因為這聽起來好像馬上把國外的人力要引過來是這樣嗎沒有 就是 |
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世界上現在我們最強的就是台灣的工程師是最強的那我們還要引進外國的工程師進來嗎應該是這樣說我想AI的創新發展基礎建設的擴大我覺得所有不只是台灣所有的國家都是要從育才 留才 攬才那我想我要告訴你 |
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我想竹科的工程師他們被迫舉家要遷移到美國所以這個是對整個台灣的半導體供應鏈不管是公司也好或者人才外移到美國實際上對我們台灣的矽頓產業是產生很大的影響所以我想問你到底我們現在政府是否有看到台灣的第二座護國神山我們有第二座護國神山嗎 |
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除了半導體產業以外我想軍工跟這些國家經濟安全比如說航太等等這個產業這個都是AI附隨的一個產業應該是我們槓桿AI的優勢我想這個都跟半導體有關跟晶片業都有關所以我們還是要去誠懇的呼籲政府 |
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我們對這個一再對川普政府的這種談判的條件我覺得我們是一再的在讓步我們都表同意剛才當然鍾佳明委員講談判的結果是對我們許多的產業是正面的是我們是也很樂意看到這樣一個百分之十五不疊加的一個關稅但是我們從另外一個面向我還是希望政府能思考 |
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如果這樣無條件的去接受川普的要求會帶來台灣整個產業以及人才流失的影響你們也要去思考好不好我想謝謝委員的提醒這週一是我們關注的議題謝謝主委 接下來請經濟部 |
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市長經濟部對外說到2036年半導體的先進製程的佔比仍然是台灣80%美國20%剛才主委也有提到我想請問部長經濟部這樣的說法是根據什麼樣的事實或者理論 |
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跟委員報告其實這個部分就是我們把台積電現在規劃中的還有現在建廠中的我們都把它加總起來得出了這樣的一個結果但是我們看到中進院的院長連前民他在上個禮拜1月22號對外說再怎麼努力 |
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川普在任內台積電的先進製程應該不到15%的產能會在美國生產所以部長 何次長就算如果中經院說了只有15%的產能會移到美國經濟部你有去評估這樣的產能外移對未來台灣的經濟成長率與就業環境會有怎麼樣的影響嗎 |
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這15%的半導體的技術的外移除了這15%以外你能夠保證說未來不會有下一個15%嗎跟文報告其實這是產線所以 |
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半導體最重要的大腦都還是在台灣所以他為了要接近客戶所以把整個產線到這個接近客戶的地方去做生產那其實這個是我們一個產業其實市長你說為了要接近客戶我也可以很告訴你我們跟很多朋友在討論其實留在台灣更有競爭力你把整個廠移到美國以後這些人到美國跟美國廠買就好啦 |
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台灣的半導體這些廠商還有競爭力嗎所以他們到美國繳稅就好啦所以我現在是搞不懂你的邏輯在哪裡一直說整個到美國是造成整個把跟美國什麼投資美國啊是協助我們台灣的半導體在美國的一個產業實力的一個延伸啊聽起來很美好啦 |
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但是未來是不是這樣我覺得這個是值得觀察我要講得很實在因為大多數的人都有這樣的一個疑慮所以你現在講說是台灣是仍然是到2036台灣仍然80%美國仍然20%是的其實我們很擔心即便說到2036美國是20%所以我剛才問你是不是不只未來就是即便說是203620%2036以後 |
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是不是又来一个百分之二十的产能又要转移到美国川普虚所无度你壮大美国但是你却弱化台湾 |
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會不會有這樣一個的可能發生我想半導體產業他全球佈局是勢在必行的哪邊有商機其實在那個台積電大概就會往那個地方去移動我想我們的推估是有跟這個事實這樣的一個評估的這樣的一個基礎 |
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所以也不見得說這樣的一個外移會讓我們台灣的產業可能就是弱化了反而我們可以用當地的人力然後當地的資源然後再來就是說我們可以接近客戶可以提供最好的最佳的這樣的一個服務所以這個是一個全球化這個世界級企業很重要的一個發展的一個策略 |
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OK 這是政府的一個對相關政策的一個說法另外經濟部投審師在1月15號公布2025年全年外資來台投資的金額是大概113.9億美元沒有錯吧是相較於我們關稅談判後政府必須規劃2500億美元的信用保證藉以促進台灣企業到美國增加投資 |
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所以我請問部長跟國發會的主委這兩個數字說白一點就是造成我們將會有2386.1億美金的一個貿易逆差鼓勵產業外移所以對於國家發展或者是經濟成長這次談判的結果難道政府不就是在幫忙美國壯大弱化台灣嗎 |
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你信外資進來只有100多億你要叫2500億出去外投資這不是一年就2500億這個是逐年 赴美投資是每一年這樣累積的一個過程所以他絕對不會是說一下子就把所有的資金全部都投資在美國當然啦 是逐年逐年 |
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當然我們就是整個數據看起來就是說這樣子可能就是造成我們整個產業都跑到美國這個跑到美國之後我們還要必須觀察到一個問題這個是否會造成我們失業人口的增加 |
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各位新竹啊大新竹地區桃竹苗因為這個台積電的相關的這些產業鏈我們的不管是房價啦或者是這些這個民生物價都是全台第一名所得也是全台第一名但是我們目前觀察到 |
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就是因为很多人忧心就是说如果台积电出走很可能就造成这几个地区相关的产业相关的不管是民生物价或者是房价都会造成一个下跌的情况大家有这样的一个忧心还有我们的整个技术是不是也会造成说外流的一个影响所以政府 |
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對於這些相關的一個議題你們有沒有任何防備補救的規劃還是政府你還要依靠什麼去吸引外國人來投資呢是 跟委員報告其實就台積電的佈局他絕對是把這個最重要的研發中心放在台灣另外就是說他到國外的產線他一定是最先進的製程在台灣量產之後他才會到海外去 |
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謝謝我們希望說是朝你這個目標去邁進但是我剛才提到這些問題我想我們站在在野的立場我們還是要提出來請政府要審慎的思考好不好好 以上 謝謝好 謝謝 |