| IVOD_ID |
167237 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167237 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-26T10:40:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-26T10:52:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/eb9c45f2fd6188106bd5b0def412c9162e6dd44a39c46b2553e5fca86ad1f1ab025346619b12521c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:40:54 - 10:52:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、經濟部龔部長明鑫、農業部陳部長駿季、國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊顯就「針對台美關稅貿易協議內容，對國家整體財經、國內產業與就業、股匯市場與各項民生通膨之影響與因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席 在場的委員先進列席的政務機關所長官員會場工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生我們有請經濟部何次長然後主計總處陳主計長還有農業部的杜次長以及經貿談判辦公室的徐執行秘書依序來請教這幾位杜次長中委員好 |
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次長好我們這次關稅降到15%聽說傳產也共同受惠但是如果預算也不省關稅協議也不過那會誰受害呢我們來看一下有一個說法已經講了一年多了就是說台積電會變成美積電請問次長你怎麼看這樣說法經過這樣的一個協議談判之後台積電會變美積電嗎台積電你說 |
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這絕對不會的因為台積電我剛提到台積電在台灣的投資其實還是不斷的在加碼8成多產能8成多而且按照我們的統計到2030年台積電在5奈米以下的產能在台灣會是在8成5我們簡短那這些公司這9家公司是怎樣是在未來在美國的台灣模式的共同供應鏈嗎 |
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這些 這些都是在美國投資的吧有些是美國公司嘛 對不對對 是好 那請問一下這個美光美光買了一個利基電美光會變成台光嗎沒有沒有 是所以你說怎麼解釋這一次在我們半導體產業經過台美協議談判之後這些半導體的大哥們他們到底會形成怎麼樣的一個產業關係呢 |
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其實這個就可以看得出來其實半導體這個產業它需要是一個全球佈局台美而且跟歐盟日本這些合作的這樣的一個生態系我們必須要把它建立起來來 那我們看一下來 那台美半導體是相輔相成那傳產 傳統產業也可以順路共成嗎這裡面談到的所謂的15%不疊加談到了未來有232還有最優惠待遇我想請教一下往下看 |
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哪些傳統產業的競爭力不降反增因為人家說船廠現在很虛弱好的都是海盜半導體電子產業汽車零組件 自行車 塑膠 工具機手工具 水五金 醫療器材還有機械這些未來的競爭力怎麼樣市長你怎麼看是 這些都是受惠的產業受惠 為什麼說要受惠因為它的關稅大幅降低了不是從0變成15 還是怎麼樣 |
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我們來看一下是不是跟大聯盟我們台灣的船廠跟大聯盟哪些德國 日本 韓國 歐盟這些都是大聯盟對不對過去我們的工具機是不是跟人家相較起來我們的 |
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稅都是比較高 對那相當於歐盟 韓國 德國 日本都是15%那這是我們談到的結果你覺得跟大聯盟我們相較之下我們有沒有劣勢我們絕對沒有劣勢好 所以這次的結果呢我們降到跟他們一樣15%來 我們來看小聯盟好了我們的手工具 水五金 塑膠製品 自行車跟墨西哥 越南 中國競爭 |
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我們現在降到15%了對不對這些國家呢 怎麼樣他們這些國家的稅率還是蠻高的所以我們跟大聯盟並駕齊驅跟小聯盟拉開距離是不是這樣子是好 那我們往下看來 接下來我們請主席長主席長主席長已經先離開好 那現在是 |
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蔡副主席很抱歉是是是好來預算不審誰倒楣來我們請教一下今年度的預算規模是不是3兆0351億3兆0351億沒錯啦對對對好那其中相較於去年我們多增加了新興計畫還有延續計畫的新增額度是不是增加了2992億對對對你對著麥克風講請說是現在呢我們現在 |
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目前在野黨說透過預算法54條要先放行718億是不是等同砍掉了76%幹掉了2000多億這2000多億未來有機會用嗎有沒有辦法使用如果預算不省這2000多億還能用嗎 |
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沒辦法用了嘛所以包括我們永續的人才資源發展AI 自動導航等等這些都會延到我們國家數位轉型來往下看好 這些其他的部會社安網2.0我們的社工人員要加薪我們的關懷訓練要拓展我們所有的增額人手要增加還能做嗎為了少子女化長照社會救助伸張這些新計畫能做嗎 |
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有沒有錢做 如果預算不審可以過嗎就是新增的就不能做新增的都不能做 是不是這些強化社會安全網第二期有400億然後再來這些本來從400億變成819億擴增了新增的對象 獨居老人 新手父母 近貧人口 受侵害者這些人的服務都沒有了 是這樣嗎 |
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我們從400億變成819億新政要做的都不能做了是這樣嗎總的來講2992億就是影響經濟成長率1.1個百分點OK好了我們的腳本好像不太一樣來往下看我來問你好無人機科研中小企業賽事跟場館這些我們主席總書有沒有盤點這些都還能做嗎運動部 |
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經濟部因為今天的運動部沒有人來你可以待會回答嗎這還能做嗎只要是新增的或者NC線的計畫比去年多增加的所以你就是很清楚的告訴大家新增的都做不了了啦2990而已除了718億他們放贏了之外其他的都空了來我們請到杜次長農業部我們屏東農業縣我們關心的來 |
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如果關稅協議我們不用審查通過誰會受害我請教一下台灣目前對美銷售的出口的是什麼有毛豆 胡天蘭 鱸魚 烏過魚跟鬼頭刀所有出口主要產品都受害都受害那目前我們這些出口的價值過去呢在我們的出口占比美國市場很重要對不對美國是我們第一農產品出口市場所以美國是我們第一農產品市場好 那往下看那如果我們這次關稅協議過了 |
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那跟我們的主要競爭國 您覺得呢我們的毛豆跟中國競爭 蝴蝶蘭跟加拿大競爭鱸魚跟中國 土耳其競爭吳郭魚還有越南 印尼跟中國 鬼頭刀跟厄瓜多如果我們這次貿易談判協議通過了你覺得對我們農民 蘇美是利多嗎當然是利多 所以一定要維持現在十五而且不疊加的狀況最好 |
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所以我們這次的台美關稅談判不是只有半導體全球佈局成功多營連我們的船產也受惠連我們的農產品也需要對不對完全需要好那接下來我要請我們的徐執行秘書是委員號來這些問題呢你不見得現在都能答得完你試著答答看跟美國的關稅談判哪些國家已經完成了關稅協議完成了簽訂有沒有 |
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完成簽訂的是像柬埔寨跟馬來西亞這個是確定的已經完成簽訂了 是的好 那這些國家跟美國的關稅協議在他們國內是照案通過嗎我們目前的了解應該是大部分都照案通過不是 你說那兩個 馬來西亞跟誰馬來西亞跟柬埔寨柬埔寨 那他們是照案通過嗎是他們國內照案通過嗎 |
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對不起 請委員再說一次來 我問你哪些國家已經跟美國完成關稅協議的簽訂是你說有兩個國家嗎柬埔寨跟馬來西亞那這些國家他們跟美國的關稅協定的簽訂在他們國內的國會是召喚通過嗎這部分我們再確認一下但我們的了解應該是都召喚通過有沒有重談沒有重談好 如果關稅協議回到各國的國內去審查有更改要不要重談 |
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如果有更改就沒有辦法生效 能不能重談要看雙方OK 目前有沒有哪個國家因為跟美國談妥了回到自己的國會 國會有意見要更改有沒有這樣的情形 有沒有還發生了沒目前沒有看到目前沒有看到 再講一次 對著白鴿鵬再講一次目前跟美國的關稅談判已經敲定了 結果回到國會裡面 |
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有沒有哪個國家的國會因為他反對要修改而造成協定沒有辦法簽訂沒有辦法生效 有沒有目前還沒有看到你會希望看到是台灣嗎 |
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站在台曼辦公室的立場希望不要希望不要好 那我先問你假設你剛剛講到了如果未來我們國會對於台曼團隊談來的這個台美的關稅協議或者協定有任何的修改你剛剛說了 |
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就無法生效那無法生效我剛剛講了農業會受損 船廠會受損半導體我們要擴大對全世界的市場的佈局但是如果發生這種情況我們有沒有機會重談你說他看對方那我再問你 假設可以重談你有把握談出更好的條件嗎 |
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謝謝委員關心但我們可不可以不要回答假設性的問題不要回答假設性的問題對 行政部門來講是比較困難是比較困難是 抱歉所以你不認為我們需要重談你也不認為重談有機會談得更好是這樣嗎 |
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你是不是希望維持現在的協議能夠簽訂能夠生效站在行政部門的立場是的所以你認為目前這個協議簽訂生效是對台灣的最佳狀況也是對美國的最佳狀況 |
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是好目前為止已經簽訂生效的兩個國家他的國會並沒有做協議做任何的更改不然的話就不能生效了對不對是那現在還在進行已經敲定了回到國內再談的國家你有沒有聽說哪個國家有國會要去修改去影響他們談定的這個內容有沒有目前沒有目前沒有好那我希望呢談判辦公室要好好的告訴國人 |
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我們要談來的結果再重述一次就經濟部來講我們這次的半導體產業是能夠跟先進國我們同時的形成全球佈局擴大台灣的影響力對不對 何市長是不是這樣 是的好 然後就我們的傳產來講我們有效的降低過去比較高關稅我們跟大聯盟並駕齊驅我們跟小聯盟拉開差距對我們傳產是有利的對不對 對杜市長 那如果說這個協議生效 |
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那對我們農業出口美國是有幫助的對不對具有優勢具有優勢而且優勢加強了對不對好所以呢就這些立場來講希望談判辦公室跟國人號說明如果這個協議不能夠國會完全的審定通過完全生效對台灣是不利的執行長是不是這樣好謝謝好謝謝鍾嘉賓委員 |
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謝謝 接下來請賴會員委員質詢 |