| IVOD_ID |
167233 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167233 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-26T10:14:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-26T10:26:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/eb9c45f2fd6188100d4abb2997c64aab2e6dd44a39c46b2553e5fca86ad1f1ab3657b01c8c35754b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:14:50 - 10:26:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、經濟部龔部長明鑫、農業部陳部長駿季、國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊顯就「針對台美關稅貿易協議內容，對國家整體財經、國內產業與就業、股匯市場與各項民生通膨之影響與因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席有請金貿談判辦公室徐執銘還有包括楊行楊總裁楊行楊總裁經濟部次長經濟部何次長還有金管會主委彭主委彭主委 |
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我提一個問題當初我們關稅談判然後要提高美國要提高我們關稅最主要理由就在於說貿易逆差對不對當初2024年的貿易逆差的時候我們貿易逆差是700多億 |
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到2025的時候是1500多億當初2024年的時候700多億我們排行在對美貿易逆差是第七名可是變成2025的時候1500多億的時候預計提升到第四名貿易逆差的問題越來越嚴重排名越來越前面為什麼我們原先的關稅會從25%降到15%用不疊加 為什麼 |
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這是一個談判的結果你不是貿易利益差太多嗎要把你提高關稅那為什麼貿易利益差變成double了排行7又變成4那為什麼那個關稅會降低你們回答本席這個問題像委員報告其實這個就是一個談判的結果談判技巧那麼好就純粹談判嗎你先回去好了啦那我請總裁你們告訴我為什麼 |
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我個人的看法我最喜歡聽你的看法我個人認為因為美國需要我們的產品 |
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講到重點了 美國需要我們什麼需要我們的產品所以經濟安全不是只是經濟安全嘛他背後思考的是一個國家安全不是嗎對 你看總裁點頭了你的報告書徐殖民你的報告書裡頭就寫到經濟安全就國家安全答案你就寫在裡頭啦所以從國家安全的角度來說我們就來看嘛 |
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如果是國家安全的話你看為什麼他們要跟日本的造船業合作那為什麼又叫我們半導體的這相關產業去投資美國關鍵就是在國安嘛 是不是好 那我們就從國家安全的角度來思考這個問題啦台灣的整體的整個經濟戰略當中我們過去是從西進現在是到東進過去是朝西的兩岸共同市場現在是朝東的兩岸共同市場總裁這樣是不是有這樣的走向有 |
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有嘛 有這樣走向嘛我們創造了一個不同的兩岸的共同市場嘛從西進垮到東進嘛你去看從2011年對中的部分呢貿易的金額高達143對美才7.3 |
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現在降到對中的部分只降到剩下3成 少了7成而且對外的部分不到10%對美國增加到20倍很清楚啊 從西往東嘛從西往東 |
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但是我個人還是擔心從兩個數字來說我們對中國貿易的比例是一直對中國的部分的比例是一直下降然後金管會也一直在管有關於金融的部分的曝險一直在降低我就想要就教於這個總裁如果就這兩個數字來看的話中國老是在提起說要廢掉那個FA然後一直想要做一個經貿性的制裁 |
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他現在到哪個點我們認為他沒有威脅感那個總裁你有沒有評估過我還是沒有很了解那個委員的問題 |
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就是說他常常在威脅我們就是說我們因為投資很多或者什麼 曝險很高會不會我們投資太多 曝險太高用經貿來做我們威脅來制裁的這個可能性要降到什麼階段才會讓我們沒有感受到威脅你有沒有瞭解這個數字就說 沒有你沒有 那我請今晚會主委 |
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目前的曝險數字來說從金融曝險的狀況我們大概要降到多少水位才能夠擺脫對中國的依賴我簡單的講其實跟委員說明其實我們的數字是這樣從我們歷史上最高佔我們全體銀行的淨值大概71%現在大概來到了14.59% |
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這當然就是說我們對任何一個那個市場的依賴程度越高那當然所受的風險越低我想這兩個數值可以做一個比較大的比較就是現在我們在對大陸的曝險大概是佔他們現在銀行淨值的只有14.59最高是最高是71的時候 |
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是不是要再降低沒有 這個還是他們全球佈局的一部分我覺得全球佈局其實像我們最近我們的國營在我們是從國家角度我剛剛一開始就說從國安的角度我們要多少降到多少你認為才適合這我們倒是沒去評估不過我們現在是持續按照他們整個全球的佈局在安排主委你回去評估一下必要的時候跟業者勸說一下我再來跟那個總裁對話一下總裁 |
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你之前寫一份報告非常經典如果要降這個從國安角度他需要我們對不對但是從貿易逆差的角度當中我們還是要減低嘛對不對不是嗎你上次提出三個一個是軍購一個是能源一個是農產品農產品老師說數額有限我們的順差不過是22億那軍購的部分又不算那關鍵就是能源 |
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從能源的角度本席查到目前能源的佔比澳洲佔四成美國佔一成然後其他的是卡達四成當中澳洲因為在已經實施了國產天然氣安全機制要優先提供澳洲國內使用2027會更嚴格的儲備限制中國也因為關稅的因素轉向跟澳洲擴大採買當然裡頭澳洲還有他們親中親美的一個問題姑且不講 |
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拉回來說目前美國的占比10%未來10年要採購2000億以上目前的貿易逆差的部分跟能源安全的角度來看你認為這個比例夠高嗎還是需要再提升你三項當中兩項就已經排除了剩下這一項而已要減少貿易逆差是否還有其他的可能性 |
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我覺得我們盡可能當然就是說剛剛委員講到就是說我們對台對美國的順差越來越增加那我們也要降低對他的一個順差 |
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我想除了就是說我們這個採購以外當然就是說能源的話我們可以的話我們也能夠盡量的提高一些但是我覺得我們對美國的投資本身就是也會減少我們對美國的順差那你預估來說這種減少的話真的會趨緩嗎 |
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你知道目前為止你看美國越來越我聽到講法他需要我們現在不是我們依賴美國某個程度他是希望不要說依賴啦其實我們國家安全很需要美國就彼此互賴的程度這麼高的情況底下我們也不能客問客誰說因為他需要我們所以說貿易力差不降 |
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我想是這樣子他大概會降到什麼程度會讓人家覺得有所交代到目前為止美國對我們的逆差雖然就是說對我們的逆差那麼高但是基本上就他整個的一個逆差來講剛剛也講到就是說現在也是第四位 |
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但是第一位跟第二位第三位那邊他的那個還蠻大的所以就是說我們站在他所有的逆差裡面我們也不算是比重也不是說雖然有一定但是也不是最高但是問題還是在我們就是就他的安全的一個戰略的安全來講的話他還是覺得我們台灣是reliable |
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其實真正會讓我們讓步的其實他是從國安的角度來做思考而大過一個貿易逆差的考量所以逆差對我們台灣逆差這個不是他的PriorityPriority是在後面Priority的前面是在國安所以相對而言我們把整個兩岸的市場從西轉到東對台灣的國安是不是有幫助 |
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也應該是有啦很有幫助嘛對不對但是一來國安的加強的部分二來貿易逆差如果能夠趨衡的話趨近平衡的話那會更好嘛那另外一個部分啊我就要就教也就教一下那個總裁好了總裁可是談台美的貿易談判當中有一個東西是隱形的一個數位逆差沒有被談到就日美在談判的時候就有談到這個 |
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在台美談判當中都沒有談到我個人這樣估計起來我發現這個數位的逆差的差異點在哪裡呢其實從2022年日本的貿易逆差就數位的部分就破百億 |
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那台湾的部分呢他是把夯不啷啷把这个服务的服务贸易把它加总起来把运费什么算起来所以说只差点2.2亿但是仔细看一下我们在平台受到美国的这一个部分的这个服务的依赖程度非常的高我发现台湾在美国科技在购买这些数位服务的时候这些公司呢都设在哪里设在爱尔兰的子公司是没有错 |
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設在愛爾蘭子公司那我們就不算嗎最終的受益者還是美國的母公司啊是沒有錯這個金額就愛爾蘭的這個順差的金額就破千億了對台灣的占比大概有多高你認為這個部分是不是也應該算入當中台美貿易當中的一個逆差的這個部分可以做一個平衡來依據這隱形的貿易逆差 |
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620.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
630.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我想這個服務方面的那個逆差以前我們對美國的服務的逆差是很大的後來就是慢慢的因為我們的第一個就是說我們的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
637.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
646.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
就是我們的航運這個部分我們就變成越來越小那是一部分那是疫情時間航運占比比較高那另外一個部分也就是說我們對它的一個專利 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
652.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
655.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
專利權他對我們的專利權智慧財產權的採購稍微比較少但是平台的使用比例也越來越高不過這個就是說我們的服務我們的服務對他的一個對他的一個逆差我們台灣對他的逆差確實是越來越小 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
669.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
688.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
對 沒有錯應該是在貿易平衡的部分這個部分是我們採購它比較多或許將來您在報告的部分就是農業的部分軍購的部分已經不算了嘛能源的部分總裁你的高度的情況底下如何在台美之間的貿易差就是趨近平衡的採購事項當中多做一點琢磨那就請總裁費心各位請回 謝謝謝謝郭國文委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
699.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
702.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
好總裁請回接下來請李彥秀委員質詢 |