| IVOD_ID |
167230 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167230 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-26T09:48:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-26T10:01:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/eb9c45f2fd6188101fd28b2cfcf2216f2e6dd44a39c46b2553e5fca86ad1f1ab7bd1442b9f89c7a65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:48:58 - 10:01:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、經濟部龔部長明鑫、農業部陳部長駿季、國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊顯就「針對台美關稅貿易協議內容，對國家整體財經、國內產業與就業、股匯市場與各項民生通膨之影響與因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席麻煩請行政院經貿談判辦公室徐執行秘書請徐執行秘書還有經濟部何次長何次長請 |
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委員好我是很敬佩各個委員在這邊很努力問政但是你們回答的資訊如果他原來提出來的數字是不正確的你們也要趕距離力爭確實跟他回答投資都是2500億美金不是5000億換算成台幣的話就不是15兆台幣 |
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而且裡面台積電已經本來就承諾投資1650億美金了嘛對不對所以剩下的擴大其實是剩多少其實才剩下850億嘛這個還沒有算環球金沒有算鴻海沒有算偽創這些現在正要前往美國投資的這些企業所以把它講成這麼大 |
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我跟你說啦監督問證是很好啦不要背於事實啦我們還是要基於在事實的基礎上來問證我講的是不是對的有哪一個地方不正確你請你給我指出來是委員講的都對齁那因為五千億不能加總來看啦兩千五百億的信用保證魏董事長在這個地方來魏董事長請你上台跟我們講一下現在中小信保齁在台灣如果你要融資兩千五百億你那個槓桿的比例大概是多少 |
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跟委員報告那我們信保基金保證的成數是13.77就是現在事實上操作是13.77對 那如果說是以這樣來講的話2500億美金的話是181.55億好 請你回座好 謝謝所以 |
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要信用保證2500億的美金一位董事長如果以在國內操作的比例來講是100多億美金其實我們要融資這些都是國際知名的大廠你怕台積電跟你倒賬嗎你怕鴻海跟你倒賬嗎 |
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所以將來這些投資的信用保證它其實的風險的係數可以做到比台灣的中小信保在台灣對中小微企業的信用保證還要低的這個還要高的這個槓桿因為它導的風險更低啊所以你們才會說60到100億美金之內就夠了嘛對不對然後他一直跟你宣傳說你就是政府要花2500億 |
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那為什麼講了這麼多次他們還是硬不聽 |
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因為他是中稅的人叫不行啦他要這樣講嘛台灣的股市剛剛破三萬兩千點啦還在跟你說台灣經濟不好啦民不聊生啦你去機場看一看排隊出國的人喔都擠滿了好這一個講不贏他說M型化社會啦很慘的人很慘啦很好的人很好啦一個再強再棒全世界經濟第一名的社會喔都會有很可憐的 |
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弱勢者這無法避免那我們台灣就是作為一個中間政策上面中間偏左我們的社會福利努力在做社會安全網把所有的最可憐的人都要承接起來但是不要睜著眼睛說瞎話這一個經貿的談判喔在我來看應該給予鼓勵台灣因為被中共打壓很多國家沒有辦法跟我們簽FTA |
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沒有辦法去參加一些中共阻撓的這些所謂的東南亞經貿組織各類的經貿組織包括我們一直想要參加的泛太平洋的經濟協定都一直被中國共產黨阻撓被中國阻撓台灣的處境特別艱難這跟哪一黨執政無關啊以前國民黨也有執政過八年的期間中國也要不讓你參加嘛 |
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那所以我們本來的關稅就比人家高啊台灣的企業家非常的了不起耶在逆境當中我們仍然有辦法跟人家去拼一場短提著一個皮包走全世界這是台灣精神嘛那這一次談判完之後我們的關稅降到跟日本跟韓國一樣韓國搓在蛋啦 |
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因為台灣的中小企業韓國是沒有辦法比的韓國都是幾個大集團大財團嘛他們的中小企業所以美國現在向台灣取經要複製台灣科學園區的經驗這也是這今天談判中的一環我們台積電在美國投資他們把我們講成說是掏空台灣這是天大的笑話台積電在台灣的哪一個廠有關掉 有沒有關掉的 |
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那市長有沒有關掉 台積電在台灣的廠有沒有關掉的 包圍沒有不但沒有關掉 一年還一直增加 還要增加很多廠 對不對那請問廠一直蓋一直增加 沒有關掉任何一間 偷摳台灣什麼東西啊我這間公司一直不停的擴大 從全世界後面的排名一直往前衝現在衝到全世界市值第六大 |
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就代表我生意越做越大我的產能越來越大所以我台灣也在增加我在德國我在中國我在日本我在美國都要增加社廠嘛 |
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那個這個是壯大的過程中必須要增加投資的地方怎麼會偷空台灣呢如果今天他移到美國是台灣要關廠台灣這些產能要收掉然後台灣的工人都失業你勉強可以講說這樣對台灣的經濟不利你台灣已經飽和做不出來了都滿滿滿了那一部分到別的國家去生產 |
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為什麼就是掏空台灣 這種邏輯我不懂啊那被人家這樣攻擊 你們都沒有辦法用很大的聲量很清楚的聲音 讓國人能夠了解然後因為現在小眾媒體 現在網路一直給你抹黑 一直給你造謠啊所以我每次看到說什麼掏空台灣 |
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很奇怪欸我跟你講我的有一些做工程營造的朋友跟我講說現在工人很難請的原因就是因為這些電子大廠喔他們在設廠的時候都在趕進度他寧願給兩倍三倍的工資把這些建築做這個營造的工人請去所以讓我們的公共工程還有我們的普通的營造都缺工啊那奇怪了他掏空為什麼一直在蓋廠 |
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市長你會不會跟我回答啊為什麼一直在蓋廠然後講說是掏空呢是 我跟委員報告其實如同委員講到的就是其實台積電在台灣的投資大過於任而在其他國家的投資而且剛剛委員講得很對因為其實現在我跟你講相信政府的都在股票市場都賺大錢了台積電它的整個產業鏈很長所以許多的包括廠物這個半導設備 材料還有許多的這些化學品協力廠商也要去啊不然他才 |
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非常多的工業類語錄精湛一定要讓他做的產品我舉個例子這些做無塵室的事要提供台積電的這些設備那台積電在美國設廠的部分他當然也要跟著去就近來做比較方便溝通也方便嘛所以是打群架的台灣的企業是打群架的跟韓國那種集團是不一樣的嘛 |
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那總共光台積電就已經承諾1650了而且這個投資也沒有期限啊這是一個承諾錢會沒用啦就是說我將來要來這邊投資多少也沒有期間也沒有期限不知道把它講成什麼台灣要完蛋了我跟你說相信政府今天台灣股市又創新高了破三萬二了相信政府的都賺錢了 |
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那人家講說台積電會跌到五百塊以下的喔不知道他有沒有去放空他既然他的預測這麼高明 要不要害死人當初聽他的話賣掉台積電的現在是不是都賠都沒有賺到啦甚至趕快賣了是不是都賠啦所以不要在那邊胡言亂語政治問政要基於事實在那邊亂講常常嘴巴在那邊掛起來就名不聊生台灣經濟要完蛋了 怎麼樣怎麼樣我看要完蛋的是中國啦 |
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575.175 |
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中國的經濟一塌糊塗莫名其妙當初馬政府時代鼓勵大膽吸盡害死很多人那個才叫真正叫掏空台灣我們投資台灣我們返鄉計畫我們壯大台灣之後我們就有能力投資全世界因為我們產能的需要要擴大 |
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這對台灣是大好事啊台灣去年對美國出超一千五百億美金耶這站在國際貿易上啊如果美國要對付你的話這很正當的理由啊但是人家美國其實對我們沒有不好這個投資是雙向的即使說我們去美國投資台積電輝達來台灣投資Google來台灣投資這個一大堆的美國企業來台灣投資他為什麼不講說是掏空美國 |
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去哪裡投資就是掏空那個國家他的母國那這樣的話輝達是掏空美國嗎因為輝達要來台灣設這個企業總部啊他不是在台北市嗎現在不是談了東亞的企業總部不是在那邊嗎那算不算輝達掏空美國 |
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650.522 |
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所以我是覺得台灣要趕快進行這個工作一年一千五百億的出鈔而且今年度看起來還會再繼續擴大一直擴大下去美國會受不了所以重要的東西趕快跟美國採購大宗物資趕快跟美國採購能夠行有餘力可以投資去美國投資做貿易帳金融帳的平衡不然台灣的這個貿易出鈔這麼多 |
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對全世界的國際貿易來講是對人家不公平啦光只要想自己都不要換位思考站在美國人的角度你一年賺我這麼多錢你是用這種態度對待我所以我是覺得我個人將心比心我覺得美國對我們是因為很需要台灣這一個夥伴所以他對我們這個條件是給的很好喔在我來看啦 |
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688.567 |
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問一個最嚴重的問題 萬一本院沒有通過這個協定會怎麼樣 萬一啊不是啦 你就照實回答嘛 我就不搖你 我就問你說萬一通不過會怎麼辦嘛 |
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像委員報告因為這個協定要能夠生效是要雙方都完成內部程序之後才能生效所以如果我方沒有辦法通過的話我方就沒有辦法完成我方的內部程序我看你們在說不完喔你是怕得罪誰啊說實話會有什麼問題沒有通過台灣大災難啦我跟你講這個東西沒有通過 |
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729.127 |
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752.494 |
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回到以前的疊加 關稅跟以前的條件一樣以前罵得要死說那個條件那麼差現在條件要變比較好還要不要考慮要不要簽還說這個是掏空台灣我跟你講 全國人民睜著眼睛在看所有的產業睜著眼睛在看沒有過的話 台灣倒大霉啦這工業啦 大家加油喔 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝吳秉瑞委員 謝謝接下來請賴世寶 |