| IVOD_ID |
167190 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167190 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-19T13:31:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-19T13:48:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4ba512932926f851092c148bb1c930b775d69df13e4e8eda37d2db32b336acc651e308782cc5e3445ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:31:44 - 13:48:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長與財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、邀請內政部部長就「賴清德總統興建13萬戶社會住宅政策無法落實之檢討」進行專題報告並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝召委 我的問題會少一點那個麻煩請園民會主委請這支位委員好主委好剛剛我接續吳立華委員提的這個我們更改姓名之亂我想其實很多在這個過程當中很多人其實都遭受到一些 |
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令人很生氣又很麻煩的狀況啦那即便現在1月5號的日期已經到了截止了我相信還是有很多人的這個更改姓名這件事情還沒有完成可能陸續之後都會接到護證事務所的通知還需要再繼續去改名字 |
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那但是我要提醒主委在已經完成的這些人當中呢也有不少護證人員他們因為具備的訓練不足弄錯法規的所以這是我們的親身經驗就旁邊的人發生的事情所以 |
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我是要提醒就是說因為畢竟後續我們還會陸續通知我們還沒更改姓名的族人需要更改的要去改那這部分我要要求你們原民會跟內政部你們要會同內政部一起就針對要去承辦這一次姓名更改的這些護證人員還需要再做一次的加強訓練 |
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因為在不少的這個案例當中其實改來改去中間的程序真的是錯的結果也不完全是正確的那這個部分我想我在這裡特別要求你們是不是可以什麼時候大概在兩個禮拜內跟內政部來檢討這個事情 |
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會 我們盡快跟內政部這邊來做協調然後趕快來訓練OK 好 謝謝 |
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在1月7號這個主計總署依照前年國民黨通過的財化法的版本那試算並公佈了縣市新的這個財力分級那我們台東從第5級調整到第1級花蓮也從第4級跳到第2級那台東跟花蓮加起來只有一個綠島不是原鄉 |
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其他的都是原住民族地區全國的55個原鄉光這個台東花蓮就佔了一半台東15個花蓮13個原民會的很多政策都是以原鄉為主而做的規劃可是現在很多原民會的資源可能就無法下去台東花蓮那這個表來我們看一下 |
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是園民會前兩年補助台東與花蓮縣府的這個跟公所的經費那這裡面涵蓋了各項計畫的補助經費你們有沒有試算過台東與花蓮在新的財力分級之下接下來縣府跟公所的自籌款會增加多少負擔增加多少 |
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目前還沒有精算出來我建議你們趕快盤點 趕快算一下因為原民會的計畫對這個財力分級補助的比例都不太一樣那經費通常比較龐大的是特色道路隨便一條這個特色道路呢動輒都是好幾千萬元的 |
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台東的原鄉過去提報一個特色道路計畫假如經費是需要1000萬元公所他們所負擔的是150萬元新的財力分級規定台東原鄉的自籌款必須增加一倍新的財力分級規定自籌款比例增加一倍的情況下我是非常擔心說公所他會沒有錢 |
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因為原鄉的這個建設會不會因此而停滯無法繼續發展 本席是非常的擔心因為畢竟每個鄉鎮有時候可能跟縣府交情可能不太一樣原住民的這個假牙補助在新的財力分歧之下台東縣府的自籌從10%提高到了50%我們部落還有很多原鄉的老人家他們的牙齒是還沒長出來 |
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那原住民的這個住宅建構修繕的補助地方自籌比例是從10%變到100%那這些補助的政策是直接影響我們族人的這個民生需求那你們到底有沒有跟縣府好好的溝通那這些補助是不是確保可以來繼續執行呢 |
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各位報告那個假牙補助原先是三萬六我們不但沒有減少還增加到四萬塊這個不會受影響好所以就是財力分級改變不會受影響所以你們這一筆還是會繼續認對 還增加或許在未來還有繼續有機會增加本席深深期待那我希望就是但其他的可能就沒有那麼好了吧 |
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我跟委員講 委員報告雖然是它因為財務法的關係它增加了一些變成第一級但是我想對鹽香不管它是哪一級它永遠是比較脆弱的部分也比較需要協助的部分所以這個部分我們鹽米會還是一樣會給協助 |
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好那這個但是你還是要先盤點啦是因為你這樣講我們就還是很擔心啊所以本期希望園民會所有這個需要地方政府配合款的計劃都應該要針對台東花蓮的情形來調降自籌款的比例那專案報行政院同意那特別是由公手負責自籌款的部分一定要大幅調降自籌的比例不然 |
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這些公所可能到最後都無力負擔所以這個部分要特別拜託主委也麻煩你們盡快可以盤點各項計畫來跟本席說明然後趕快提報行政院那你們需要大概多少時間 |
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兩個月可以嗎這個月就可以報了很難得 本席說兩個月然後園民會自己說一個月先跟你們拍拍手 |
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很罕見的情況這個月可以報啦 但是對方回復的話至少給我們一個月的時間你們起碼先報上這個月就把他報上去嘛 處長都這麼說了好 那剩下的我們再來催行政院了另外我們看一下這是上禮拜的新聞要請教一下園民會因為這個財化法的影響希望把原住民的這個急難救助政策移交到地方政府 |
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這個部分你們是如何跟地方政府溝通那我跟各位報告我們在去年九月的時候有跟地方政府來那因為財務法那個資源已經到地方去所以就是麻煩地方政府的部分就有關緊張救助的部分也可以來編列比如說像這次新聞是談到那個成功證他就48萬那但是就是因為這樣的狀況之下我們還有66家的那個原價中心跟222個 |
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那個原家的一個社工 原住民社工還有33個督導 我這樣問啦 你舉例成功鎮啦 但我們還有其他的鄉鎮你們大家都有同意接手嗎 哪些同意哪些不同意幾乎大概就是照這個政策方向去走 但是就是大家努力要再去跟 |
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那個縣政府要去爭取一些相關的預算就是他們要去跟縣府爭取那地方政府有同意接手嗎有縣政府全部同意所以急難救助是救命前那這個部分他不會中斷因為他還有其他的一些相關縣府的衛福部的急難紓困的 |
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這些資源都還在你們如果有下去溝通那是不是有一個具體譬如說會議記錄啦有公文啦就是確保這個急難救助是沒有問題的好那這個部分麻煩具體提出具體的證據跟說明不然大家還是挨叫啊那個因為 |
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我們另外在這個政府的原住民土地政策上我們都有不斷的在努力所以還我土地這個口號最近比較少聽到但是我們在這裡還是要很認真的喊一下要還我土地啊在原民會知不知道台鐵用了多少我們的保留地 443公頃2997匹 |
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好那光台東呢我們就有121公頃喔那過去這個台鐵局是依照這個原保地管理運用辦法規定無償方式撥用了數十年那兩年前這個台鐵公司他已經 |
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公司化 公司化之後已經不符合這個無償使用的這個規範那不但不想繳租金現在還很認真的在想說怎麼樣可以把我們的原保地就把它拿過去直接繼續無償使用大家應該都有掌握這個可怕的訊息吧了解 當然有 我們是希望說將來是朝成都的方向去處理 |
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我想也是要跟大家講一下各部會其實這件事情對原住民來說是很大的禁忌踩到地雷那就像我們的元寶地光是在那個光是在退福會的那個台堂的我們要拿都拿不回來了現在還想要拿出去那簡直是天方夜譚 |
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對所以那個跟委員報告其實我們已經有完全掌握台鐵公司他們公司化之後他們現在就是他們使用的原本在台鐵時代使用的那些比數跟面積讓我們將來我們有去試算過如果說將來承住的話大概一年大概會有兩千兩千兩百五十萬的這樣子一個租金收入那這個部分我們會持續往老朝這個方向去跟台鐵公司那邊去協調所以繼續使用接下來就要收費了是是那前面兩年怎麼算 |
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我们再跟他持续协调协调讨债是用协商吗所以那个前两年的租金要缴吗还是免费封送没有应该是要去应该也是要去回溯他只要在租金求全的那个时效范围之内都可以因为已经不符合这个法规的这个范围内了那就麻烦你们好好去讨债吧总共多少钱 |
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2200多萬每一年我們初步估算今天如果是以後如果把台鐵公司他們公司化之後他們現在使用的那些原保地的比數跟面積用公告地價去算的話我們大概會每年的租金收入會增加2250多萬 |
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好那努力喔好謝謝好報告召委最後一小題很快在上次主委不久前我有特別跟主委來反映其實應該不只一次我們這個真話編的這個 |
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土地案件真的是太多了特別是花東地區那人力不足是蠻嚴重的問題那也感謝主委有承諾就是要來解決這樣的問題那大家可能不了解這個人力不足有多麼痛苦 |
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那我在這邊也要算是褒獎也表達遺憾啦在過去呢 園民會圖館處有一位非常優秀的泰雅族女生呢她是台大法律系畢業的她非常重點是 難得她非常喜歡辦理這個園保地真化編的業務她不但專業 而且她喜歡那表示她有熱情嘛我們的我們的處裡面是不是特別需要這樣子的人才對 沒錯 |
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好 但是很可惜的在前年10月他無預警的就被調到別的地方了 應該不是你調的吧不是 他自己去應徵的不是啦 我是說他不可能自己跑掉 他是不得已沒辦法待才跑掉的不是嗎就跟你說他有熱情 他是不想走的啊那後來 |
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他就是因為無預警的就必須被迫要調到別的地方嘛那所以他結果呢最後他回不了圖館處啦所以他就乾脆就對外應徵跑去其他部會就走了叫不回來真的好可惜那前年我想我想另外好就是說 |
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這個規劃科研你們現在是編目前原則是三位但是你們編制有七個嘛是所以報告主委比例只有42%你可以回去跟其他的那個科室出事比一下好 那個主委不知道上次您答應之後到截至目前為止你們的進度人力調配的進度有沒有什麼進展 |
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872.596 |
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可以在這裡報告一下嗎跟委員報告 其實我們這次請政的緣額下來主委也非常支持啦是 他從頭到尾都非常支持對 他實際上那個主委有提供我們圖款處那個相當的緣額來去支援這樣子的一個政劃邊業務的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
873.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
898.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
你講的是提供編制的緣額還是提供編制內的緣額對啦 但是人沒有到位啊都被別人調走了那個以後會有新的緣額進來大概是三個月那主委請問一下就是大概什麼時候會調回來會補人力啦什麼時候 因為這個問題也問了很久了本辦就好幾百件塞車了 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
900.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
925.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
來 增加的人員大概多少跟委員報告 行政院合增我們18個預算員額那目前 圖管處可以18個嗎不是不是 整個園民會那因為我們現在還在做那個官制官規要送到那個考試院去做備查還有後續的那個植物說明書的製作所以這個程序辦好之後我們會馬上就是朝經營的方向大概需要多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
926.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
952.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
大概一般來說是兩到三個月的時間因為行政院是1月5號才核定我們這些原額的配置所以我們基本上會在兩到三個月的時間內用最快的方式去做那我們也先跟全序部那邊先打過招呼就希望我們兩個說 兩個機關互相配合盡快的完成這個關智關貴的法制作業程序 以上報告那那個主委 所以18個原額你打算要放多少到圖管處 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
954.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
975.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
至少四位 至少四位 已經是最多的了我們不用跟主任請示啦不用 不用啦 不用 不用 確定喔確定啦 好 那我就不用問他了喔好 那至今天很好的消息囉 那我們就等待好 謝謝 謝謝謝謝陳議員的質詢 |