| IVOD_ID |
167185 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167185 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-19T12:33:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-19T12:44:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4ba512932926f851336c8eb1ba61253275d69df13e4e8eda37d2db32b336acc6b22339bbe58c964b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:33:54 - 12:44:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長與財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、邀請內政部部長就「賴清德總統興建13萬戶社會住宅政策無法落實之檢討」進行專題報告並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 本席有請劉部長有請部長部長休息了一段時間現在再次上場部長 首先本席要就這個是你們內政部今天的報告沒有錯嗎怎麼會篡改我們召委的題目呢 |
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召委今天专题报告的题目是赖清德总统新建13万户社会住宅政策无法落实之检讨那我们内政部呢今天给的报告上面是写当前新建社会住宅政策之挑战检讨与策进百万户租屋家庭支持计划精进方案 |
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好我看你們這個精進方案這個該檢討不檢討你們的精進方案你們在報告裡面寫你們這百萬怎麼來的你們應該很清楚真正社會住宅你就12萬戶然後包租代管10萬戶剩下全部都什麼租屋補貼 |
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所以这叫做什么百分之这个百万的精进方案90%就是发钱靠发钱10%靠靠盖房这个所以第一个召委我们真的不能不能够这样藐视国会召委定的题目他们直接改掉直接改掉那第二个就是好啊这个百万精进方案我们90%靠靠发钱 |
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那現在是不是在你們的百萬戶KPI裡面發了租金補貼你就算是達成了一戶社會住宅的業績你們是不是打算這樣 |
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是不是回答就可以是或不是包括委員包租貸款也是社會住宅政策的一環而且寫在住宅法裡面我知道所以您剛講的算法是有錯誤的包租貸款大概10萬戶啊對那你們主要靠租金補貼嘛那租金補貼其實你沒有這些經濟方案 |
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大概從人類歷史以來開始大概應該有幾十年都有這個租金那你現在就是用一個租金補貼撒錢的方式發錢90%那來創造這個所謂的百萬戶因為這是最穩健的社會住宅而且能夠達到來補助比較經濟弱勢的族群尤其是在六族裡面租屋補貼我們不反對 |
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而是你们的讲法百万户这个呢我们不得不怀疑这个为了今年的选举做的数字工程这不是真正的居住正义那没关系你现在这个百万户我们接着看你们核定了你们这个租屋补贴核定了91万户结果只拨款了65万户 |
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那其中還有2.5萬戶是義領然後你們現在開始追殺所以我先就叫部長你這個核定91萬戶結果累計撥款65萬戶請問消失的26萬戶是怎麼回事報告委員他第一個大概是不符合現有的資格或者是說他在資格變成 |
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不符合資格那你核定91萬戶 這怎麼回事我們的平台有兩個 一個是地方政府 一個是中央政府中央政府在複合的過程當中 我們也來把關剛剛有提到 譬如說他可能是某一個單一政府在這個核定的時候呢並沒有考慮他有跨縣市的一個房產 |
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或者是跨縣市的身分別那這個部分呢我們也會做處理也就是說現在租金補貼裡面違規議領的情形都是因為申請人個人條件的變動比較多議領是後面我只是說你核定91萬戶有撥款65萬戶有26萬戶消失我先談這個議領後面我會談這26萬戶怎麼回事就是有人會重複啊 |
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因為租金補貼我剛有提到如果是單一縣市政府他可能住新竹縣但是他新竹縣跟新竹市兩個都申請重複的去掉還有呢還有什麼情況我是不是請我們組長跟您回應一下比較多的那報告委員那還有一些譬如像寒暑假那因為他學生他如果學校畢業了他就沒有來申請了 |
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沒有來申請你核定幹嘛那前面會有核定就在一個年度裡面他會有變動還有就業所以一個是資格一個重複申請還有就是有變動有資格變動就這兩個所以這樣就26萬戶大部分的原因是這樣子我看你們是不是可以把這個相關的你們會後還是要給我一個報告 |
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好那接著接著部長那剛剛您急著回答的2.5萬戶一領那我有看到你們的報告裡有寫 |
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這個申請人資格還有租屋情況的異動那我在這裡我要問的是這中間有沒有是因為我們政府效能政府的執行力不彰系統勾結太慢所以才會造成有這2.5萬的問題啊這一塊我們行政單位有沒有可以再加強的地方 |
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當然啊 我剛剛有特別跟委員報告過因為在租補的這個申請條件當中我們都是授權給地方政府那地方政府跟中央政府之間的勾結當然就會出現時間差授權地方政府應該是今年度接下來之前應該都中央吧沒有已經地方在開始了對 已經地方協助所以才會跳增這麼快 |
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那這第一個就是說行政的效能跟行政的執行力我們希望再加強第二個本心要為這一些義領追角的人我們可能也要替他們來說一下 |
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他除非他是惡意的乍臨否則如果有一些經濟弱勢戶因為這個你們說的這些理由那你要去追繳本來就應該但是是不是可以有給他分期還款 |
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我們已經你們有在進行對或者是但是報告委員但是如果他是乍領的話恐怕就不足夠乍領就不行乍領的我們絕對不行那有一些因為就像你們說的申請人資格或是有一些租屋情況的異動那因為一個月假設我們有4000到6000不等 |
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4000一年就是假設他這個議領一年就將近5萬塊對一般人來說有的時候5萬塊對他來說可能也是一筆負擔臨時要他拿出來一筆他可能難所以分期還款或者是社福轉介免責的這種機制有沒有 |
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這些我們都會跟地方政府來勾結了那剛委員所關心的部分那個署長有提到如果真的有經濟上的困難的話分12期我們給他們分期對12期好OK好那再來再來我們看到這個 |
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有關我們社會住宅我們看到報告第二頁說未來的新辦重點在北北桃中北北桃中那很明顯是在直轄市那我們想要了解那請問基隆跟竹竹苗為什麼 |
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我想這個是從租金補貼裡面所申請的這個數目還有我們看他的人口結構所以你們的新辦重點不是社會住宅興建的重點原先在蔡總統時代已經興建十幾萬戶那是全台灣各地都有我想你也知道 |
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那現在呢我們在要繼續精進的方案的時候我們認為啊有這個需求的會集中在北北桃中那這是從租金補貼裡面得到說為什麼他要申請租金補貼未來在社會住宅包括包租代管的話是以這個為主再加上這四個這四個縣市這四個直轄市政府他們的土地最稀缺也最是淡亡區也就是大部分的人最需要的 |
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那既然有大部分人最稀求的這個部分的話呢我們就必須要跟這個四個市政府來一起來討論那同時呢我們也了解包括桃園或者是新北市政府的首長他們也都了解這個部分所以我們常常會漏掉一個我們採取的是多元興辦社會住宅 |
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包括除了樹地以外還有包括都更或者是其他的分回等等這些都會列為我們為未來要取得社會住宅土地或是取得社會住宅的戶數裡面的重要的一個方向而且都會集中在這一大的生活圈為主 |
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部長你剛剛有講土地稀缺或者是他們的租金比較高之類的不是租金比較高土地真的不容易取得其實新竹縣市也是 |
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那當然新竹縣市他已經被列為大家應該知道竹北市也是這樣所以我們還是希望你們還是要當然我們是說以北北桃中為主但是不是表示其他的沒有啊這個跟委員報告以竹那為主那其他有那你那個是怎麼分現在我們仍然在持續盤點就是說比較重要的對我就知道你會說盤點但是呢 |
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真的不要忽略基隆跟新竹縣市這些都也是非常都會區的他們的需求還有這些通勤族他們的壓力所以我們也要特別爭取基隆竹竹新竹縣市特別是您說的淡黃區其實你去看全台的淡黃區絕對有新竹縣的竹北市我們要請部長還是要再重視好謝謝 |