| IVOD_ID |
16713 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16713 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-28T08:31:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-28T12:42:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:10:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbdabd91bd523f6fd00cc1067dc387cc1fa12e9ca99aa835c07e1681ca6e2be1735ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員郭國文等17人擬具「農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案」案。(詢答)） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:46 - 12:42:00 |
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鲍鱼 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 欢迎订阅我的频道 |
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請報告出席人數報告全體會出席委員11人已足法定人數現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第三會期經濟委員會第十四次全體委員會議事錄時間114年5月22日星期四九時至十二時四十九分地點紅樓101會議室出席委員邱益穎等十四人內席委員蘇巧慧等十人內席人員經濟部部長郭志輝國家發展委員會副主任委員高堅貴等主席蔡家綺委員異議報告之下 |
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1.宣讀上次會議事錄決定與確定2.處理2014年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等事務案1.經濟部行為2014年度中央政府總預算決議檢証該部水電座預算凍結200萬元書面報告案2.檢証產業技術師政策研究與推動計畫預算凍結15%書面報告案3.檢証投資促進師營養外國專業人才預算凍結200萬元書面報告案4.檢証資訊處 |
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數位應用與資安韌性預算凍結60萬元輸入報告案5減創經濟部一般行政預算凍結100萬元輸入報告案6投資促進師減創投資促進投資預算凍結100萬元輸入報告案7減創產業技術師研發測試場域整建作業預算凍結1000萬元輸入報告案8減創產業發展發展署工業技術升級輔導預算凍結3000萬元輸入報告案9 |
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減送產業發展署工業管理預算斷絕100萬元輸入報告案10.減送標準檢驗局及所屬標準檢驗及度證管理預算斷絕100萬元輸入報告案11.減送智慧財產局推動保護智慧財產權預算斷絕100萬元輸入報告案12.減送水利所及所屬水利建設及保育管理預算斷絕500萬元輸入報告案13.減送商業保 |
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商業發展署促進商業科技的發展預算凍結200萬元的書面報告案14.檢証能源署能源國外與國際交流預算凍結100萬元的書面報告案是由檢証智慧財產局智慧財產權科技發展預算凍結2000萬元的書面報告案決定第1案至第15案書面報告均已送達預算均得以通知引據報告提到院會 |
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3.處理114年度中央政府總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案等實施案1. |
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國家發展委員會韓衛114年度中央政府總預算決議減剩水利率預算凍結120數目報告案2. |
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減剩第二目規劃及推斷國家發展計畫狀和業務預算凍結50萬元數目報告案3. |
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減剩第三目研擬經濟政策協調推動財經措施預算凍結120數目報告案4. |
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減剩第四目促進社會發展及計畫 |
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1885.858 |
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審議協調預算凍結60萬元數目報告案5.減創第4幕建制以資料科學為基礎之社會政策治理機制計畫預算凍結200萬元數目報告案6.減創第5幕促進產業發展預算凍結1000萬元數目報告案7.減創第6幕促進人力資源發展預算凍結500萬元數目報告案8.減創第7幕健全國土規劃及經營管理預算凍結1000萬元數目報告案 |
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1916.458 |
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9.檢証第7目地方創生之協調推動預算斷絕20%的署名報案10. |
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1920.181 |
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檢証第7目永續發展計畫之協調推動預算斷絕220%的署名報案11. |
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1920.181 |
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1921.722 |
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檢証第8目績效管理預算斷絕120%的署名報案12. |
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1926.105 |
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檢証檔案管理局第2目檔案管理應用預算斷絕120%的署名報案13. |
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1928.446 |
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檢証檔案管理局第4目 |
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1933.65 |
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1949.273 |
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第四目 國家基益深化推廣預算斷絕1000萬元說明報告案十四 減算第六目 研議與協調推動人力資源相關政策及計劃預算斷絕150萬元說明報告案決定 第一項至第十四項說明報告金與預算金 |
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1950.154 |
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等於當之理據報告提交院會談事項一審查114年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所有署主管預算凍結案等二次案一第一部行會114年度中央政府總預算決議簡註該部議會費預算凍結30%中央報告案 |
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1966.906 |
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1987.899 |
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法案事項合併詢答經濟部部長郭志輝及國家發展委員會副主任委員高仙貴報告後委員區議員等17人提出質詢經由經濟部部長郭志輝及國家發展委員會副主任委員高仙貴等即席答覆登記發言委員除不在場者外均已發言完畢詢答結束委員組議員所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報 |
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1988.639 |
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書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位與醫政院以書面答覆並複製本會2.經濟部考慮114年度中央政府總預算決議減算高度媒體政策及業務宣導費預算凍結62年書面報告案3.減算產業技術師科技專案預算凍結10%專案報告案4.減算產業技術師科技專案預算凍結2億元專案報告案5.減算經濟部建置橋外來台 |
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南海投資全程線上化計畫預算凍結50%專案報告案6.減送經濟部運輸費預算凍結28%專案報告案7.減送經濟部運輸費預算凍結1000萬元專案報告案8.減送國營事業管理師管理預算凍結30億元專案報告案9.減送國營事業管理師基本行政工作維持預算凍結500萬元順便報告案專案報告案 |
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10.檢証國營事業管理師基本行政工作核子預算凍結15%專案調查及究責檢討報告案11.檢証經濟部辦公廳設新建計劃預算凍結50%專案報告案12.檢証產業發展署業務費預算凍結30%專案報告案13.檢証國際貿易署業務費預算凍結30%專案報告案14.檢証標準捷運局及所署業務費預算凍結30%專案報告案15.檢証製作財產局 |
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業務費預算凍結30%專案報告案16減送水利署及所屬業務費預算凍結10%專案報告案17減送水利署業務費預算凍結10%專案報告案18減送商業發展署業務費預算凍結30%專案報告案19減送中小及新創企業署 |
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業務費預算凍結百分之三十專案報告案二十減送產業園區管理局業務費預算凍結百分之三十專案報告案二十一減送地質調查及礦業管理中心業務費預算凍結百分之三十專案報告案二十二減送民營署業務費預算凍結百分之五十專案報告案二十三減送民營署業務費預算凍結一千萬元專案報告案二十四減送民營署經濟特別收入基金預算凍結百分之二十專案報告案 |
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決議第一案至第二次施案均同意當之明據報告提報院會2審查114年度中央證明總預算有關國家發展委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案等期案依國家發展委員會韓會114年度中央證明總預算決議檢証業務費預算凍結30%專案報告案2檢証 |
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該會業務費預算凍結1500萬元專案書面報告案3.檢証第二幕規劃及推動國家發展發展計畫綜合業務預算凍結28%專案報告案4.檢証第二幕向下規劃國家發展計畫預算凍結30%專案報告案5.檢証第三幕財經新策略規劃研究預算凍結20%專案報告案6.檢証第四幕建構完善經營公正轉型及區域治理推動機制預算凍結500萬元專案報告案 |
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7.檢証檔案管理局院會費預算凍結30%專案報告案9.第一案至第七案均同意通知,拟據報告提報院會3.繼續審查1.行政行情審議,個人資料保護法部分條件修正草案2.本院委員王美惠等18人拟據個人資料保護法部分條件修正草案3.本院委員羅廷偉等17人拟據個人資料保護法部分條件修正草案4.本院委員李坤成等16人拟據 |
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好請問各位同仁上次會議一書有無錯誤 |
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沒有好那就議事錄確定現在進行討論事項請宣讀討論事項審查一本院委員謝一放等16人拟據農民退休儲金條例第7條條案修正草案二本院委員郭國文等17人拟據農民退休儲金條例第7條條案修正草案宣讀完畢好 |
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本日議程所列討論事項農民退休儲金條例第七條條文修正草案共計兩位委員提案現在請提案委員說明提案要旨首先先請謝一鳳委員說明提案要旨 |
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主席還有所有農業部所有與會的官員今天我們在審農民退休處金條例第7條上一次審查的時候是在2022年4月27號由本席擔任召委的時候審查通過的那根據農業部的統計今年 |
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2025年的3月底參加農退處金以及包含一定農退處金者合計11萬人根據農業部的報告經系統比對符合農民資格者約為49%但是根據主計處的2024年農業就業人口49.4萬 |
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來算佔比其實實際上只佔了22.26%代表了農退儲軍的覆蓋率還是不足那我們再根據同樣一份主計處的 |
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农民就业人口来看从2017年农民就业人口是55.7万到了2024年农业就业人口数就已经变成了49.4万减少了12%显示了农业缺工的问题是非常严重的 |
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未來我們希望台灣的農民是科技農民可以利用科技來改善農業的質與量 |
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如果要這樣子我們就必須要提供誘因能夠增加年輕人對於新農業的投入所以我希望農業部可以審慎看待本席的提案我們將農業部的相關的 |
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比例能够从1%一倍提高到1.5倍能够提高又应增加年轻人能够投入我们新农业以上谢谢 |
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現在請農業部陳俊記部長就委員提案進行報告謝謝趙偉還有各位委員各位女士各位先生大家早今天大院經濟委員會審查 |
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委員謝一鳳等16人及委員郭國文等17人所擬聚的農民退休儲金條例第7條修正條文修正案的草案那本人請代表農業部來這邊做相關的一個專案報告那請敬請各位委員指教那大家都知道政府為了照顧農民的福利那農業部在近年來已經陸續完成了三保一經的四大農民的福利體系那這個四大 |
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四大農民福利體系包括了農民健康保險讓每一個農民實際耕作者都可以獲得一個保障同時開辦了農民的職業災害保險讓所有的農民在從事農業活動的時候能夠提升農民的職業安全保障第三個部分是擴大農業保險最主要是希望農民的從事農業耕種不再是一個看天吃飯的工作 |
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那最後一個就是今天所要討論的建立農民退休儲金那最主要是來鼓勵農民的儲蓄養老那老年的退休生活能夠更有保障那這個三保一金四大農民福利體系那最主要是為了建構完整的社會經濟安全網那也非常感謝我們所有的委員在這個四大農民福利體系的能夠給予支持 |
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那今天所談的有關於農民退休儲金的條例那是在109年6月10日制定並在110年的1月1號開始實施那農民每個月的提繳的比例可以根據基本工資可以由1%到10%來計算那農民提高的比例不管是1%或是10%那政府都會對等的 |
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半月就是提繳然後共同存在農民的退休儲金的一個個人專戶那以作為農民退休後的一個生活那以下就針對我們從110年以來 |
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我們推動這個農民退休儲金制度的一個執行情形那由於農民退休儲金它是屬於自願參加的性質那參與的程度受到農民個人的儲蓄意願的影響那經過統計在114年3月底曾經參加農退儲金的受惠人數合計約為11萬人 |
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那占未滿65歲且經過系統比對符合資格者的49%那另外我們截至114年的3月底那我們比對其他部分的勞工的一個工資那勞工是由雇主所提供的6%那他們自願提繳的比例只有16%那顯示說我們農民退休儲金 |
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朋友那第二個部分就是有關於鼓勵農民參加農民退休儲金那我們現在的一個宣導就是力求宣導到位然後更精準的對這個受眾者做一個行銷那舉個例子像退伍青年農民那這些退伍青年農民也有很多退伍以後從事農業的工作那過去我們 |
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看了這些退伍金人投入農業工作參加農民退休儲金的比例大概50%那後來經過我們在座很多委員的提醒那我們就精準的對這個目標族群去做一個行銷那結果在3月來統計的時候其實他的參加 |
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退休儲卷的比例已經從50%提高到62%表示說農民的儲蓄意願以外他對於整個農民退休儲新的內涵如果能夠讓他們更了解的時候是有機會能夠增加他的參加這個農民退休儲卷的一個意願那以現在來講就是我們 |
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已經有退休的這些這些農民我們也分析了一下他除了我們現在領的老農津貼以外那因為我們開辦了四年那第一年參加投保的這些參加農民退休處境的這些人他合計可以領到9804塊也將近一萬塊那以農業部的設計來講我們的整個退休制度是 |
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老農年金加農民退休儲金用這樣的一個方式來做一個他們退休後生活的一個保障那這次委員所提的兩個修正的草案的版本那剛才有提到分別是協務委員還有我們國國委員所具名代表的 |
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其他委員版本裡面最主要是修正第七條的第三項的條文就是有關於農民一第一項提繳的這些金額那我們是除了按月 |
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提繳以外希望把這個倍數從原來的1比1提高到1.5比1換句話說就是每個月本身農民如果提高如果提繳10%那相對的這些金額2189塊我們就相對應的提繳到1.5倍用這樣的一個方式那我們也曾經 |
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分析了這樣的一個結果首先我還是感謝所有委員對農民的福利的一個照顧但是我們在分析這樣的一個比例的情況之下那我們考慮我們已經試算過就是如果用這個1比1.5的這樣的一個方式來做提繳的時候那30年以後那相對的農民領取他的一個老農年金 |
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加上一個農民退休儲金合計大概是38,479塊那同樣的就是在勞工領取的時候我們也比對因為整個的國內我們考慮它的恆平性那勞工的部分大概是維持在33,000塊左右 |
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那當我們提高這樣的一個比例當然對農民是比較好的但是在整個政府的施政上面來講我們考慮的可能是一個橫平性但是我們怎麼樣的讓 |
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委員的這樣的一個建議能夠落實到我們農業的從業人員然後也達到一個鼓勵的目的那我想我們後續也會持續的去做一些檢討跟研析那最主要是我們分析到現在目前農民沒有 |
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更多的人去參加這個農民退休儲金有兩個原因一個就是他的一個意願那另外一個部分就是他的儲蓄能力那剛才也提到了勞工的部分大概只有16%表示這些年輕的朋友們年輕的族群他其實參加這樣的一個志願提繳的方式他的意願是不高的所以 |
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後續我們會更加強的去做這樣的一個宣導那我們也會考慮看看有沒有什麼樣的方式能夠減輕農民的負擔然後增加他農民的生活退休生活的一個保障來著手那在這邊我想 |
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以農業部來講我們現階段並沒有馬上要調整這個目前的比例的一個想法但是委員所提的意見我們都會去更仔細的去研析然後也尋求找到一個更好的一個方式來提升農民提繳的意願然後也能夠確保他農民退休以後所得的一個保障那以上做這樣的一個報告敬請委員指正 謝謝 |
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请求议员发言 |
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謝謝主席我是不是請一下陳部長陳部長委員長 |
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部長早部長我想這個農民退休儲金的這個條例從我們在立法院審查到現在開始辦實施應該差不多5年的時間我們110年1月以後大概將近4年大概差不多5年的時間那在這5年裡頭其實每一個委員一直不斷的在跟農業部提出就是投保的人數比例 |
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如何增加剛剛我想部長您的報告裡頭其實有非常清楚我大概把你們過去送過來的比例其實我們一直在講青農20到29歲的投保比例提交率是很低的不管是在青農或者是其他的年齡階層 |
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依照你們現在送上來我剛剛看到的一份資料大概都是在三成多不到四成嘛您剛講誘因不足所以現在有委員提出來要把這個提撥的比例把它用1比本來我們是1比1嘛相對提撥那委員提出來是要1比1.5您覺得這樣的誘因 |
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足夠嗎這個誘因是農民要的嗎還是說就你們現在應該有去統整或者是說有去做過做過一些填調有做過一些調查到底農民為什麼不願意去參加除菌制度 |
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理由是什麼那你要做一些什麼東西是讓他會願意去參加的你們有沒有做過這樣的調查有的非常謝謝委員那我在這邊也跟委員說明就是現在委員的版本就是從原來的1比1提高到1比1.5那提高了以後相對的他的天花板是打開的就是他總額會增加那他 |
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這個法案如果通過的話是針對已經投保的人他有退休金有更好的金額的保障可是對於還沒有參加投保的還沒有參加農民退休儲蓄金的人他其實剛才也說了他們本身第一個就是他們的儲蓄能力第二個就是他們的意願的部分 |
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那因為退休儲券是65歲以後才能領特別是針對這些年輕人他可能是30年後以後才能領所以在這個年輕人的時代裡面他們的工作的收入不是那麼穩定的時候事實上就算你天花板拉得再高他們還是不願意就是還在觀望這個其實我們也透過很多專程會了解所以農民希望的是是不是能夠減少他的負擔 |
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就是他提繳的時候的一個負擔如果說我們原來舉個例子100塊對100塊的時候那總而是200塊不變的情況之下是不是能夠讓他們少繳一點那牽涉到這樣的一個少繳的時候其實也是一個方法這是第一個所以你剛剛講的比如說我們過去是1比1嘛是100對100那如果我現在如果依照您剛剛的談話如果這個想法變成說未來 |
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農民繳80你們繳120他總數還是200你覺得這個會增加農民的誘因嗎或者是說其實部長您看一下我這邊大概也有提了一個不同的意見的看法比如說 |
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我用階梯式的去增加我的撥補他繳了5年的跟繳了10年的就我鼓勵他你繳越久我的撥補比例增加的比例其實是越大 |
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這是兩個不太一樣的概念但是其實也是提供精神是一樣的提供它有一些不同的參考基準嘛您講的是說農民可以不要出那麼多錢我一樣的是200塊但是我現在農民只需要繳80塊你們改成120那我提的這個想法是說你只要連續5年或者是連續10年我的撥補比例是在增加的政府的撥補比例是在增加的那我覺得就是說 |
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我們一直在講青農的投保比例過低其實我最近也發現到一個問題就是說青農在他20歲的這個階段他的人生還有很多不同的變化不同的思考所以很多的青農他甚至會想說他是不是要一輩子從農他現在就去繳這個農保 |
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農保的退休儲金很多時候他可能五年三年以後他不想做了所以造成他不願意去加入這個退休儲金制度 |
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會不會有這樣的狀態那面對這樣的狀態的時候你們又應該提出什麼樣的相應對策來鼓勵或者是來提高年輕人從農的意願跟提高他們參加農民退休儲金制度的意願我想謝謝委員剛才委員所提到的這些誘因其實跟我們的考慮的想法是一致的就是委員有提到是每隔一段時間去提高政府的撥補那我剛才也講了就是說 |
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100塊對100塊是不變的但是農民的提繳的金額是可以因為你實際從農的時間拉長了以後你的提繳金額是變少但是保障不變保障不變那這個部分其實我們可以再去做一個詳細的設計跟規劃那第二個部分您剛才也說了我們從現在的投保來講 |
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參加來講年輕族群就是大概30歲以下的到35歲這些相對的參加農民退休時間的比例是比較低的那也誠如您說的就是他們的不確定性從農的不確定性還在那邊就是做了解跟決定 |
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對思考所以其實我們主力的大概35歲到45歲這段時間其實我們如果能夠減輕他的負擔的話是會有一些誘因的這個我們在歷次的青龍座談會他們也提到用比較好的一個減少他們的負擔的情況之下讓他們願意來參加這樣的一個保險其實部長我在想就是說 |
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1比1.5這個所謂的相對用1.5倍去提高是不是真的能夠增加他們去投保的誘因這個的確是需要各方面的考量跟各方面的做過各式各樣的調查我們姑且這樣認為就是說我現在把你從1比1的相對提撥率提高到1比1.5 |
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同等來講 勞保制度勞保的提撥是不是也要做一些調整否則這一個國家的制度就會大亂但是對於農民因為他的收入本來就比較少而且是不固定的如何增加他願意持續從農增加他在年老的時候有一筆所謂的退休金 |
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那這個誘因要怎麼增加要怎麼鼓勵現在我們要鼓勵年輕人或者是中壯年回到農村裡頭去參與農事的耕作我覺得這個有很多的設計有很多的制度配套其實是需要更前瞻更全方位的去看這個我想也有賴這個農業部可能要多做一些田野調查我覺得你們應該是要下鄉去讓跟更多的農民座談不只是青農 中壯年 |
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他有的可能是他在過去在工會在參加勞保後來他回到農村現在我們農村很多這種五十幾歲六十歲的中壯年直接投入農業的工作那在保險制度上面其實也沒有辦法符合他們的需求 |
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我覺得這一塊也是未來農業部在做相關的保險制度改革的時候一個很重要的依據那部長因為我時間剩下一點點我想要簡短的再問一下老農津貼的這個排富門檻已經14年沒有調了 |
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大家都一直在講那我在上一屆其實也有提過相關的修法我不知道農業部現在的態度是怎麼樣就是你們對於這件事情有沒有一個想法你認為該不該調整那如果該調整的話農業部的規劃是怎麼樣我跟委員報告 |
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那個農農軍隊的排布條款以農業部的立場來講我們是支持這些排布條款做適度的修正因為包括我們的房屋的價值的所還有土地的價值房屋的價值等等隨著時間的一個調整 |
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所以我們在我們的方案附案裡面其實我們有針對排富條款本身的所得的部分從50萬可以適度的提高然後至於說財產的部分從500萬也可以適度的提高所以這些東西都已經在你們的修正規劃裡面那什麼時候會送到行政院或者什麼時候會跟行政院來做討論我想我們已經有安排行政院的做專案報告 |
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那做專案包括我剛才說的農業部的立場是支持這樣的一個調整那包括CPI4年的時候怎麼樣去做一個階段性的調整這個都有一個完整的配套方案那有待於就是行政院做最後的決定部長有沒有可能我們在下個會期的時候可以有一些你們行政院的版本農業部的版本可以送到院裡面來做討論甚至跟委員的案子來併案做討論那如果可以的話我覺得老農今天排付條款這個已經14年沒有調整 |
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其實它是一個非常迫切需要改變的一個法案是 我們期待會這樣子啦那因為行政院現在一直希望說八大政府的一個條例來同步考量但我們希望說因為農業是比較特殊的是不是可以單獨先行啦這個我想我們會努力的去跟行政院做這樣的調查部長 那我就給你一點壓力啦 |
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否則我覺得這個我們長期因為執政黨的委員齁都是溫良恭儉讓齁我還是要給您一點壓力啊我期待下個會期那個農業部的版本就能夠送到院裡面來跟我們的版本定案來討論我們希望能夠在今年年底以前把老農津貼排除的這件事情把它做一個修訂完成讓他做一些調整好嗎好這是我想也是我們的目標好謝謝 |
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好 谢谢 现在请郑正前委员做讯答谢谢主席 我想请一下农业部陈部长陈部长 |
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委員長部長好因為今天我們安排的是農會儲存條例的一個修正那我記得在那個2022年的時候那時候林海是次長的時候我那時候陳一仲陳部長的時候他那時候提到說他希望在2023年的比例達到30% |
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那我這邊有個數字跟你在那個今天的報告當中有一點落差就是我看預算中心這邊提到在民國113年6月底的時候就是農民退休儲金的整個的比例占我們所有的農保投保的被保險人數只有27.09% |
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那你這邊今天提到的另外提到一個數字是49%可不可以解釋一下這當中的差距是在哪裡我想第一個部分就是母數的部分農保本身的人數它現在降得蠻快的以現在來講 以上個月來講現在的農保人數大概是85.3萬 |
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因為我們農隊儲金是小於65歲的那65歲現在的統計是31.7萬這是一個那你如果說以31.7萬當母數的時候它的確大概是30%左右但是相對的因為你參加農民退休儲金你主要就農保的資格的減和那如果說開綠燈的就是說你參加農保資格可能有一些資格還是有一些問題但是我們如果去把它 |
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這個百分之百沒問題的才能加好理解了所以按照這樣的一個數字的一個標準的時候你覺得目前為止的時候已經達到百分之三十十一萬跟三十一萬大概三十出頭是不是不是現在比例是多少現在比例如果說 |
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曾經來參加農民退休除菁的有11萬人然後除以母數的話是49%那如果說退休的不算曾經加保然後退休的不算的話是達到40% |
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所以目前有40% 因為我在想說這之前其實很多人都覺得這樣的比例其實不夠高那我在想說今天的一個修法的部分本來就是希望說能夠提高一個更大的一個誘因那我在想說你這邊有這邊提出一個書面的一個資料就是這邊有剛也口頭做報告那本席稍微了解那我接下來我要問一個問題 |
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其實就是針對就是上禮拜你接受媒體訪問的時候你講到說台美的農產品的關稅談判希望能夠維持5%對不對那這個部分的時候我在想說那政府是不是有考慮對美國農產品採零關稅的政策這個部分 |
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您可以再做一次政治性的一個宣示一下我跟委員報告就是在美國提出對等關稅談判之前美國的關稅我們出到美國的關稅平均是5%所以我們一直希望說在對等關稅談判過程中能夠維持以農產品來講能夠維持現在的關稅的比例是最好的那你要怎麼維持關稅 |
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人家提出這樣的一個條件出來的時候因為當時我們在講萊豬進口的時候呢當時也是提到說我們要有更好的一個談判條件結果其實後來也沒有啊不過我想喔有一部分的農產品我們是依賴美國的而且是在台灣是當作原物料的部分我特別提到的黃小玉的部分那黃豆玉米的部分 |
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如果關稅越低的時候對我們的生產人們降的越低所以這個部分我想我們會更積極的去跟美國因為最主要美國的玉米黃豆跟小麥基本上就是我們本來主要的大東的所以提前部長覺得好像說因為黃小玉的關係所以我們降低到零關稅的時候對台灣的農業還是有幫助的 |
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所以你打算讓台灣的農業對美進口的關稅降到零嗎沒有我沒有這樣講現在目前黃豆跟玉米本身的關稅就是零了本來就是零那因為零關稅的話我說整體因為我在今天在講整體是百分之五現在是平均是百分之五 |
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那我剛才說的就是當這個五次總平均那是有一些關稅低的時候是對我們台灣有利的因為當是原物料的部分我們希望它低一點是可以的所以我在問整體嘛所以我想問一下就是因為有學者認為台灣的整個農業的三大核心是稻米豬肉跟雞肉 |
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那這部分退讓的時候可能影響會非常的巨大尤其是稻米的部分對於稻米部分的時候我們目前跟那個國際這邊的一個標準是怎麼樣子我跟委員報告就是您剛才提到的稻米豬肉跟雞肉那其實我一直強調就是農業 |
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他負有一個非常重要的糧食安全的一個責任所以在談判的過程中我們一定會秉持著我們的糧食安全然後我們要讓我們的農民的收益能夠確保讓我們的產業能夠永續發展在這幾個前提之下我們才會去討論一些比較細的原則 |
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理解喔 那我先問一下米的部分我們目前就是我們的就是稻米的關稅配額一年有多少算144,720噸那其中有94,000噸是國家配額有50,000噸是民間的配額那國家的配額就是由政府去買來以後放到公糧倉庫裡面這樣的話對我們國內的稻米產業不會有影響對 那144,720噸裡面有多少是從美國進口 |
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我剛才說的14萬4千720裡面9萬4是國際配合 9萬4裡面的6萬4千噸左右6萬4千噸是美國的配合大概佔了45%左右對不對那因為在這部分的時候因為我們如果說像現在我想再問一個狀態台灣的米一公斤大概要50塊對不對美國的米大概30塊而已 |
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這個資訊其實都在變動那我們經過我們如果以批發價來講批發價來講美國米跟台灣米的差價大概是5塊左右並沒有到10塊因為現在美國的米也越來越貴 |
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所以您剛才講的那個數據可能是三四年前在那個COVID之前本身如果加州大豐收的時候它的進口米的價格會低所以有差到10塊但是以去年來講它差到4塊板左右OK那我最後來問一個問題因為美國現在還在做一個就是美國優先海鮮戰略這個部分 |
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那麼他有特別針對IU跟強迫勞動的問題在做一個關心尤其在漁業的部分的時候那麼在這個地方的時候我上個禮拜先我有問到IU的問題那我今天要特別針對那個強迫勞動的問題去做一個關心的部分那因為監察院在前幾不久之前的時候也提出一個狀態因為有南方澳的漁船因為有印尼勞工 |
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就在那個海上死掉那就針對這個部分的時候我們農業部這邊有沒有打算要怎麼去做那我想要去衍生的一個問題是針對於就是漁工他們的通訊權的問題 |
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有沒有辦法給他一個比較好的一個保障我想我們一直持續的透過漁業與人權行動方案裡面去加強漁工的就是漁工的勞動條件在船上的勞動條件上岸以後他的一個生活的一個條件 |
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那在海上的時候Wi-Fi是一個它可以對外聯絡的一個通路所以我們針對Wi-Fi也給予適當的補助包括它的機制跟它的通訊費成效不好啊現在台灣紀元洋漁船裡面大概有那個Wi-Fi大概只有10%左右是3%我跟委員報告就是 |
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漁船在海上作業他跟陸地聯絡的顧問Wi-Fi只是其中的一個方式而已那他還有那個衛星電話然後還有一些其他的一些無線電台的部分可以去聯絡的部分那因為他現在並沒有強制所以我們還是 |
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針對這個部分就是因為監察院也提出了一個這樣的檢討報告所以說希望說我們針對於整個漁業人權的部分尤其是針對漁船船員海上傷病申請救援通訊諮詢機制這個部分的時候他要求我們農業部這邊必須要去做一個調整那我這邊我也提到一個 |
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像比方說現在台灣的遠洋漁船其實有Wi-Fi的部分比例很低那船上都沒有Wi-Fi的時候漁工就更沒有辦法有條件去使用這樣的一個通訊那在韓國他們其實有具體的一個標準出來你知道我們目前跟韓國的標準差距有多大嗎 |
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不過我想有一個非常重要的就是遠洋漁船在公海的時候離開我們的12海里以外的時候他用的是一個衛星電話那現在目前因為台灣只有一家合格那其他的國際舉個例子STARLINK的部分我們現在因為NCC還沒有在審這個部分沒有經過我們通訊認可的時候是不能用的但是我所知道 |
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遠洋漁船在國際上在行船的時候他還是有用其他國家的這些通訊衛星這個都沒有問題我只是要講我就簡單具體講一個數字給你我們月屬2024年建議的船員使用Wi-Fi一個月的量是多少你知道嗎 |
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一個月只有40Mbps你知道 很少然後或者是一個月三個小時韓國給的 這沒有錯嘛 約束這邊韓國的標準 其實目前是每個月3到5Gbps然後每天三小時啊所以對於整個這個 |
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遠洋漁工的一個勞動權的部分我們希望這邊要特別的一個加強好不好因為這目前來說的時候都不是一個強制性的部分可是因為這部分跟我們在跟美國在做一個談判的時候肯定也是一個他們關注的點 |
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因為除了IUU之外的時候他們也針對強迫勞動強迫勞動是在遠洋漁船上面非常非常普遍的一個樣態之一所以我們這邊的時候那要再加上我們南方澳有印尼漁工在船上死亡的問題那牽涉到整個通訊機制的一個不良所以我們希望針對這個部分的時候農業部能夠加以改善好不好 |
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針對於這樣部分我覺得這是一個基本人權的部分我在想說大家在漁工其實在遠洋漁船上工作已經是很辛苦的事情如果說強迫勞動的問題又沒有通訊權的問題的時候我覺得那情況會更糟 |
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好謝謝委員提醒我想我們在這方面會持續努力增加他的Wi-Fi的使用的時間那這個牽涉到他的費用的問題我想必要的協助我們也會再跟遠洋漁業這些船主一起來討論OK那我最後再問一個問題因為在那個 |
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之前萊豬要進來的時候 當時的部長陳其仲他就講說國產豬肉自給率到93% 你那時候是次長你知道到目前為止台灣的一個國產豬肉自給率大概是百分之多少我想以去年來講大概是88%那以今年來講 因為不同的月份它的豬肉進口量還有88%是不是那我這邊我提問個數字 因為到 |
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114年5月23號之前的時候這個部分我們看到的一個數字是台灣豬的一個整個量跟進口豬的量是76比24 |
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那這個部分你也學長說因為這裡面有很多是到加工領域裡面去不過這個部分要跟委員說明的第一個就是說因為到4月的部分我們的進口豬肉通常是跟我們國內的豬肉就是在彌補不足所以它不是每個月進口的數量都是一模一樣的所以 |
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它在上半年會比較多一點所以它的占比就會高一點但是在下半年比較低的時候所以拉起來我們還是要用整年的平均來看所以整年來說你覺得目前的台灣豬肉自給率還有88%對我們去年實際上是88%然後前年也是大概88%到89%左右所以這幾年來平均在88%到90%之間在浮動 |
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OK那我在這邊最後再提一個因為之前有澳洲的那個豬腳進來的時候有三次都含那個萊克多巴胺然後就是也超標所以其實有百分之九成的民眾我所知道沒有所謂的超標它是含萊克多巴胺但是含萊克多巴胺但是它並沒有超過我們國家的標準 |
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因為超過就進不來因為可是有目前還是有90%的民眾在意瘦肉精的這個問題而且不滿意現在標示的比重其實非常的高那麼認為瘦肉精要標示的部分有67%這比重還是非常非常的高表示民眾對於 |
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收入金的問題其實還是非常的在意那我們希望針對整個標示的問題的時候那我們希望農業部身為主管豬肉的相關的單位的時候也能夠跟衛福部這邊做進一步的溝通好不好讓民眾能夠真的安心不要因為這件事情然後消費者 |
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就是對於台灣豬肉產生高度的不信任好不好我跟委員報告以農業部立場就是我們要確保台灣的豬肉產業持續永續發展所以後續我們會更積極的去推動台灣豬的部分的市場的區隔那台灣豬本身是因為以溫體豬肉為主最主要是見到傳統市場跟所謂的賣場現在雲林台中其實他們都有自己的一個做法 |
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那你說中央要怎麼做所以包括我們台灣豬肉的品牌的行銷這個我想我們都會跟各地的這些豬農協會的部分來做討論重要就是我們要讓我們的台灣豬肉在我們的消費者一定是認可的唯一認可的那這樣的話 |
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其實其他的豬肉在進口它可能就是一個替代不足的部分不會影響到我們台灣豬肉的生產這是我們農業部最大的理解因為地方其實都做的感覺比中央還要更多那中央這邊如果後續有什麼具體的做法的時候你再給本辦公室一個書面的資料好 謝謝好 謝謝現在請林黛化委員做詢答 |
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好有請部長陳部長好這個我們怎麼來活化農退農民退休的這個保障機制這個政策工具是改變民眾行為的方法那我們來看現在農民退休儲金的這個加入 |
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退休途徑的狀況這些都是官方數據主計處在今年3月的時候針對農林漁牧的就業實質就業是48.8萬但是在今年3月的時候真的我國有加入農保的是比48.8萬還多85.6萬但是沒有 |
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不是在這個就業人口 並不是代表他是假農民喔其實他是符合資格的好 但是呢 這當中的今年3月的時候呢我們這85.6萬當中真的有加入農民退休途徑的只有9.1萬而已差距很大而且呢 如果我再擴大包含曾經參加過農退的而且含65歲以上已經領取這個的農民 |
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那大概就是就是已經領了農退了已經現在在領農退如果這些人再加進去那大概有11萬而農保當中這85.6萬當中啊自耕農的加保是有到76.1但是呢卻有9.5萬的電農 |
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所以本行認為這真的85.6萬當中真正又如果真的有這個優先順序的那個急迫性當然是針對沒有土地的電農因為這塊土地是我的啊我就算我不種了我退休了我土地還可以做一些出租啊或者是再做一些什麼什麼的運用啊但是對電農他耕作了一輩子他沒有土地他就就這樣退可是退了之後他的保障基礎是我們應該政府用更大的力量的好 |
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好那這個呢我就截取這個郭國文郭委員的他的提案的數據這是他去年113年9月的時候這個農民退休除菁啊當中農保的部分農保可以一直領嗎可以一直加我就可以加到八十幾歲九十幾歲我都可以加但是農保當中未滿65歲的被保人才佔所有農保的27.63% |
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好 那這當中呢 我這85.6當中呢 如果再細算如果是30歲以下 20到29歲的青龍他真的有提 去提這個融退的部分的 才24而已啦所以是非常低 其實你的簡報當中有提到 |
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好 那農民退休儲金是一個保障它是一個這個福利保障喔那現在是1.1我們兩位委員的提案是希望提到1.5那當然政府最早要增加到再增加15.5就是總而你們要如果這兩個法案過的話你們就是要準備農民的這個退休這個儲金要達新台幣46點46.5的1好 |
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但是呢增加也沒關係但是本席認為會不會增加農民的再增加農民農退儲金的誘因本席持保留態度那我們就爬數為什麼因為他不確定性高而導致參加意願低啊基層的農民認為精算後我農退的儲金跟勞保的勞年給付相差起來 |
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差不多 這次老跑來比較高然後加上青榮從榮 我30歲從榮 我40歲從榮我要一直繳榮退的話 我要繳到65歲我才可以退 我中間從事了6年之後我想要退 我繳了6年的榮退了結果我繳了6年之後 我不想再種了 |
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那我沒有辦法有一個彈性機制讓我可以把我腳的領回來那我怎麼知道我的農業我一直都可以一直從30歲一直做到65歲因為這個行業的不確定性太高所以對農退的儲金的制度觀望那當然了 |
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這個我就爬數一下 農民不願參加農退雛精的原因大概有五項第一個我根本不清楚農退雛精的內容第二個我農業收入不穩定我不敢提撥我又要提 一方面我要提撥農保我一方面又要提撥農退哇 這兩個 |
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這個在我收入不穩定的情況之下 我不敢提拔 我寧願先救我的榮保就好那第三個 青榮認為要到65歲才能領這變數太多 不像勞保的範疇 我只要是勞工身份我現在在A公司 我一來到B公司 行業都不同 我都可以 我還是保有我的榮保但是我做榮保 不好意思 我一定要從容 |
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那第四個部分農民的投保老保多年了他不願轉換有些有些青農或者是說中途轉進的農民他就直接投入老保多年了我也不願意轉換成農保再加入農退了因為其實再怎麼加起來都比不上我老保我加入老保的退休退休的60% |
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而且你也講對了 就是要加強宣導農民誤認農退除菁跟老農今天是互製的 其實不對的我其實只要有勞保 我也有加入65歲之後我可以同時加 |
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接受勞保的保障我可以領老農津貼那如果我這65歲以前有加入勞退儲金我其實還是可以領的這三個是可以一起一個可以保障兩個繼續領的就是農退儲金跟老農津貼是可以繼續領的那但是農民會誤沒有誤人所以其實 |
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第一個 第二個 第五個其實都是叫不清楚嘛不清楚他的農退的租金內容我收入也不穩定嘛然後我也不清楚說農退租金跟老農今天是可以同時領的好 再來 |
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那重點啊還是要對於這個行業有黏著度嘛我對我這個行業有信心 我也探緊呀所以其實提高誘因在本席都支持這兩位委員的提案但是我覺得農業部你的本業 |
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提高這個農業的競爭力其實農業的競爭力不是硬實力是軟實力這是本席一直講什麼叫硬實力就是你的硬體建設其實農業不是這個硬體建設你們的實力是在軟實力的我的品種權啊 |
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我的行銷啊這個才是能夠讓他們賺錢啊所以其實要提高的是如果本席認同提高國家提撥比例啦但是呢在沒有自由農地的電農這9.5來講你要怎麼特別的 |
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的保障所以我針對這些原因本席也認為說你應該強化農退租金跟老農經典的政策說明第二個推動農業的智慧化精準化並拓展新市場強化農民的收入第三個你要推動青農職業輔導不僅是吸引青農下鄉更應該提供對接的產銷服務及各級的專家諮詢第四個面對極端氣候的挑戰及市場的開放這本席上次已經都質詢了 |
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希望加速农业科技的软实力在基因地区资料科学以及AI的应用的升级上缩小我国的经济作物与国际主要的生产国的成本差距好我们就举几个例子日本的麝香葡萄他在2022年的时候发现到中国窃取他的品种这个取名叫做在中国叫做翡翠葡萄在日本叫麝香葡萄结果呢日本认为这是品种权你侵占了我就告 |
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那這個他就用告那相對於紐西蘭的奇異果中國也是竊取他讓他損失他除了告之外怎麼樣他改變他的商業模式修正他開發新品種變成紅肉的品種而且再透過他的品牌行銷就共固他的市場所以兩個國家兩個策略一個就是告我不研發新品種一個我告我研發新品種賺的更多 |
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那甚至因為他有品牌我在跟中國買我就覺得紐西蘭很厲害沒關係啊 那個舊的你拿去 中國你拿去之後我給你買來變成我紐西蘭的品牌我賺的更多他反而做代工然後再加上我自己現在在開發的品牌所以這叫做這就是在行銷策略這才是軟實力啊好 這是面對市場開放 |
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那包括今天豬價我們現在過這個端午節豬價飆高我們已經生產的這個通貨膨脹災災豬價飆高本席了解的豬價飆高的原因是什麼國內的豬仔死亡率過高啊這就是本席主張說豬隻生產的效益低落沒有導入先進的基因定序的原因過去的方法跟技術不是不好而是面對新的挑戰我們需要新的技術跟經驗長期完成農業數據的收集 |
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才有科學化智慧化的治理的農業好那我回歸本本席的這個建議啊我認為這兩個人兩位立委的提案非常好但是我覺得要你們要有配套措施才更增加誘因第一個現有的補助方案如何勾結連結你的農民退休儲金譬如說你只要農民啊年輕青龍哦你只要願意來來你願意來加入我農民儲金我就每一年 |
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給你農村年輕化的補助我就每一年給你土地友善的補助農地土地友善補助是包括你們返鄉的補助喔有機肥料每年都會補助你只要三家的一天我就補助你一天譬如這樣你要勾肌連結你才有誘因嘛好但是這個還不夠第二個你農民退休除菁沒有是非牌付條款所以呢請評估本席最在意的就是沒有土地的 |
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電農 還有青農 你應該相對應的給他保障跟獎勵就是彈性結算 好 譬如說我30歲 我做了6年之後 我真的做不下去了好啊 那你是1比1嘛 或者未來的1比1.5啊那我願意結算給你 你自己繳的那個1或1.5我全部給你 因為儲君有利息 我也還給你 但 |
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我政府的這個一可能我就沒有辦法全部給你了我彈性也許我就給你六成就好我就給你七成就好類似的概念那這樣我算起來我有彈性可以退場機制啊那我政府的損失也沒那麼高因為它本身就是一個福利政策好 這樣我們沒有走商業保險所以我就覺得你這個彈性的結算跟保障 |
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我覺得你是要考量的那針對扣結你現在對於青農啊跟土地友善的你只要願意參加除青我就每一年補助給你我覺得這樣才會讓兩位委員的美意大大的提高你的退休除青的這個參與力當然最後我要提出這個上次我質詢我希望你們在6月18號這是你們引落我的喔引落本席的喔針對國際農業先進國家的基因地區在農 |
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魚 醋葉在台灣你給我提出一個品種參考國際先進的國家的他們的基因定序應用成功的案例提出來你們具體執行的方案好 針對這三點部長你回應一下謝謝委員非常 |
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深入的這些分析跟建議我先針對最後一點就是618號我們一定會有一個很完整的因為我已經親自去督導他們特別在畜牧業裡面的養豬的部分如何利用基因體育種的方式或者是篩選的方式讓我們的豬隻更健康這第一點那第二點的部分就是您剛才講的彈性結算的部分那依現在來講我們是65歲才可以嘛 |
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那勞工的部分因為他可以不同的轉可以不同的帶著走但是農業只有一個農業而已所以我覺得這個東西我也會請我們的同仁就是彈性結算但是只還他的啦政府的部分因為他還沒到65歲嘛這個我們再來看看說我覺得不要跟農民叫因為你現在不開辦所以我已經講明了政府的部分你可以佐與 |
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所以你不要全部都退喔 否則那就沒有用了就是農民你不可以有損失啦他嫁的那個1比1的我農民繳的1你一定要全部還給我本金跟利息你也不要跟農民計較 因為他是儲金講明了就是有利息的所以你要還給農民儲金好 那政府繳的那個1 |
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那你也不要全部收回去 譬如說你們看有一個比例 按照你的加入的年份也好譬如說你加入10年 我就只給你30%那你加入20年 我政府就只退你退得更少這樣子 |
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這都是彈性 但是你不要一次全部你懂我意思嗎然後你的政策一定要勾基你的融退比如說我每年都有有機肥料補助欸我只要加入這個融退途徑我就可以每年都有有機肥料的補助 |
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那這也是一個很好啊 也是鼓勵在有機肥料的使用啊 輕容返鄉我們特別就希望特別輕容返鄉就有相關的補助啊所以你就應該勾結起來 這樣他的意願就會高然後再加上彈性的結算 跟相關的保障而且譬如說 你是電容的跟輕容的 |
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那我就特別的我特別在這個你的什麼機制上給你在這個農民退休儲金的部分你就可以怎麼樣的特別給他保障這也是可以想的啊譬如說你的1比1當中如果你是電農那我就給你政府退的我就退少一點可以退多一點給你也是一種獎勵啊這個我們會來你們方法很多啦我知道所以都是一個誘因好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝現在請張祺凱委員做詢答現在陳部長陳部長 |
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看是不是有品牌沒品牌那平均如果大概一般的傳統市場買可能大概50塊60塊如果說你在店家買有沒有買來吃的可能都上百塊然後大一點小一點所以他的價格那傳統市場買的話可能更便宜大概30幾塊 |
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都要保證對肉粽一定要了解,因為裡面有豬肉、香菇、鹹鴨蛋,這個都跟你有關對,要看不同地區包的粽子是不一樣的介紹沒有太多,人家說你吃米不知道米幾,吃肉粽不知道肉粽幾我本來是特別去查,其實現在一個肉粽,你如果在北部,基本款稍微沒有很多料的,大概都要65塊了 |
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那稍微好一點點大概七十五,當然飯店你說的都上百塊的當然正咖南部有稍微便宜一點,不過大概五十五塊都跑不掉我現在講這個,就表示端午節這個八掌比去年是真的漲價了至少漲了大概五到十塊錢那裡面有個特別我今天要問你的,跟你有很大關係你掛保證說第一把端午節不會企業嘛對不對 |
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我看你很有自信啊,你去接受訪問宣布這個超大好消息,說台灣主要外銷到日本嘛這當然要恭喜,這是農業部也是台灣一個很重要的事情,這是喜事啦我另外看你說你保證當有一個地板,價格不會亂漲你有去注意到它的價格漲了沒有?它的價格現在在95到100之間在浮動,還是在浮動,像今天97塊來來來,我給你看 |
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今年過年的時候啦 叫九年 一樣都過年來比啦九年 二月過年嘛 那時候一公斤的豬肉 八十七塊三角 漲了多少 |
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漲了11.5塊錢同樣都是過年啦去年的過年較近年我們過年的時候 大家比較一下去年的過年在2月份嘛 今年在1月份從87.3 漲到98.7啦漲了11塊多 真的幅度是蠻大的好 那這裡就要過端午啦我辦公室就去清查 你看來咧去年的端午節是在六月九十點七二嘛這幾天我們租的價格一公斤 |
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已經漲到97.21%了漲了6.5%我跟委員報告委員也是來自於農業縣那其實我們在考慮剛才你的角度是從消費的角度那從農民的角度我一定考慮他的成本 |
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像您剛才講的在2月份的時候87.3元跟95元但那個時間點其實我們的飼料飼料的價格也變高了所以以農委會來講就是我們會去期待的空間從早期的75到85 85到95現在是希望說它能夠至少在這段時間是95到100之間但是我們長期來講是85到95之間是一個比較合理的 |
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所以我期待就是說他雖然說年節有貴一點但是農民整個粽子裡面有稻農他們希望的米有豬肉他的豬籠還有鴨蛋的鴨籠那這些其實他們就是靠他們沒有所謂的年終獎金他們就是靠在過年過節的時候可能有一點點的高一點對他們來講就是一個福利啦所以以農業部來講我們覺得這個價格是一個合理的一個區間 |
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對啦 當然 讓消費者 一般的民眾不要買不起粽子或覺得太貴啦 這是第一點嘛而且當然 農民也要顧得到啦所以我今天給你看 就是說老實講 像去年 像過年喔 老實講 幅度真的大了一點11塊多 我不反對要漲啦 當然也要照顧到啦可是幅度不要那麼大 波動不要太大這一次是要漲了11%第二個 今年我現在統計的是到現在 這點可能還在漲 |
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注意一下啦 當然如果是6.5%可能還好啦不要破百啦 如果那個真的97.21%如果破百的話真的 對啦 最近我跟大家講的95%-100% 我們希望大概這個95%到100%之間注意一下不要破100% 當然豬農 農民我們都要照顧不要破100%好 另外一個今年第一波又另外一個問題就是剛才講的澳洲的這個豬肉啦 |
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你澳洲你檢查出來那個那些豬肉啊 70噸他現在流到哪裡去 應該不會包到粽子裡面去吧不會齁 這有控制嗎 |
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以我們農業部來講我關心的是台灣的豬肉那這些進口豬肉本身它是以衛務部來管的它有相關的一個追蹤系統但是第二個我還是要跟委員說明就是說從國外進口的任何國家進口的豬肉我們國家都會嚴格的把關去符合我們國內所定的標準 |
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那相關的這些萊克多巴胺也有一些國內的制定的標準那一定是在這個標準內符合這樣的規範才能夠進來的所以一定是安全的現在就是剛才說的嘛90%以上的民眾裡面那個瘦肉精不只要標示啦流向要清楚嘛今天特別提出來問的原因就是現在端午節要搞就是又滴肉一定硬著嘛對不對怎麼避免他跑到粽子裡面去 |
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這個要追一下 要堆一下喔對 那我們農業部付錢就是供來的豬肉我一定給供來的豬肉充足的充分的去供應我們國內的需求這是我們農業部的責任你不知道澳洲那個豬肉到底後來有塑膠精流到哪裡去我想這個是衛福部在主管的我們 |
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因為權責的關係嘛我剛才說我只負責國內的豬肉要滿足我們國內的需求你可能要問一下啦我會進一步再去問一下你流行到哪裡去了好不好不要再吃掉了90%的民眾都有意見不過基本上他是安全的才能夠讓他進來這個要讓消費者知道啦 |
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含有萊劑的它只要符合相關的我們的一個殘留標準的話它進來是安全的不要誤導說萊劑就是毒啦我覺得這個以我學自然科學的角度來講它應該是國內政府一定會把關這個部分我想我們一定會再跟消費者多宣導現在就是做兩個嘛第一要把關嘛第二要標示清楚嘛對不對所以要問流暢嘛所以第一個我們要堅持要繼續標示第二肉汁多高啊所以要去追一下那流暢好不好 |
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好來 那有點時間我給你 這個是算我們超大的喜事嘛因為部長 台灣豬最近就可以銷到日本了這樣子齁 我們其實豬有三大疫病一個是傳統豬瘟 一個是非洲豬瘟 還有一個是口蹄疫那傳統豬瘟 像日本一定要這三大疫病都沒有了才能夠去跟他申請 不是自動就可以輸出啦 |
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那像菲律賓他覺得認為我們乾淨了我們就可以直接生鮮了嘛新加坡也是所以我們大概其實我們已經已經被WHO就確認了那我們在6月初我想我們會正式的對外公開我們是三大預期這個我想委員都都在農業間都知道這是一個喜事那接下來就是我們怎麼樣好好的利用這樣的一個優勢去跟 |
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日本市長因為日本市長早期對我們的豬肉他的價位蠻高的對農民來講也是一個增加他收入的來源包括其他的國際行銷那這個部分我想我們會持續來努力那也謝謝委員的關心這很大的啟示讓國人知道我們的豬肉要外銷了連日本我們都要銷到日本去了這很大的好事情謝謝部長現在農業部最近做了一個重要的事情就是要 |
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做這個光電啦光電要審查農業用地變更以後作為那個太陽光電設施的使用涉及到生態的做一個指引嘛對不對我要特別強調第一老兄光電我們已經推了九年了現在才開始做這個指引老兄說有一點忙有一點忙啦有一點在補破網就是光陽補牢所以速度要加快 |
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我想生態指引不只是為了光電還有所謂的開發案我們希望這開發案有一個很好的生態指引以前就是沒有很明確的指引的時候會造成很大的爭議所以我希望說這個指引能夠讓我們的生態永續前提之下能夠兼顧到一些公共建設的開發或其他的產業開發太陽光電不只產生了很多這個幣你看光是檢察官起訴的案子超過100件然後你看破壞那個農地 |
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是非常嚴重的有很多專家跟媒體他們在統計喔你看看說被光電消失的西海岸面積有多大真的很驚悚1.3個台北市的這個面積那裡面老實講很多都是農地我把黃色的框起來不地耕作的地區低地利的這個土地一電共生還有台南這很多土地全部都是農地喔 |
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所以農地要怎麼保護到農地然後第二個怎麼照顧到我們農民這個要很加油我也可以很明確的報告以農業部的立場來講我們一定會保護我們的農地那農地在處理其他的方案處理產業開發結合的時候兩個方式一個是農許嘛 |
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那容許我們也是會嚴格看他的經營項目另外一個是變更啦那變更的部分他有他特定的條件而且必須經過區委會同意那以現在來講我們現在變更大概1726公頃那我們針對很容易被拿去兩公頃以下很容易被亂搞所以我們兩公頃以上我們餘力不準除非很特殊的情況所以這個部分 |
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過去也大概有將近780公頃左右那這個部分就鎖住了以後不會再有2公頃的部分那大型的開發一定會進到區委會那區委會會有一個的審查所以農業部來講我們一定會保護我們的農地做最好的一個利用 |
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副長我上個月有跟你要資料啦結果你回的就是我剛剛講的嘛現在農地變更了有做光電的1726公頃嘛對不對對那漁電共生的是2620公頃差不多嘿對你有發現沒有是人家專家學者你看 |
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上萬耶沒有啦,沒那麼多因為我們是一筆一筆統計的有一些是屋頂型的喔很多像敘舍有沒有敘舍上面的屋頂你如果把它鑽進去當然很多啦但是敘舍本身它不會因為你蓋了屋頂而影響到它的農地利用這個部分要拿掉 |
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部長我們更精準的去算好不好是你給我的看起來跟那個一些專家寫者去算的落差有點大所以你能不能用剛剛講這個整個名目你說埔地耕作區的地利率的這個土地多少給我一個比較精細的好不好會 我們會給你一個比較精細的最後我再問一下 因為時間也到了我最近這兩三個月在注意這個餘電共生我一直問你幾個月了你前面會答應我現在要去查餘電共生上面那個氣溫 |
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本來它上面蓋的光電只能四十,它現在一百趴那個,你說一個月...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我... |
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所以這個部分我們一定會去清查如果不合法的話我們一定會主動的去跟人員去處理部長我這邊有非常具體連地號都有我等一下再拿給你對像這個蓋一個人的地方在台南就是有地方我等一下給你好不好你每天的錢包裡面四個地號我們查了基本上都是合法的因為申請光電的面積跟它蓋的是40%對不對但是它蓋的時候可能在 |
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在那個餘溫的時候可能會有點集中的情形所以讓你覺得說好像超過了百分之四十但是它整體是合法的這個部分我想我們會整理整理完以後再聽我質詢還有我要給你的是不只超過百分之四十在漁民上面百分之百都蓋了啦對但是它地目申請是符合百分之它在其他地方整體的它百分之四十可以可是餘溫上面就一定是百分之四十嘛對不對 |
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現在請正天才委員做詢答 |
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主席 各位委員 有請部長部長好 |
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今天這個審查這個我們召委還有郭委員所提的農民退休儲金條例第七條的一個修正要特別把這個主管機關要提繳的部分提高為1.5倍改為1.5倍本來是相同的改為1.5倍農業部的這個報告裡面特別提到 |
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農民領取老農津貼及農退儲金合計約38,479元這是每月勞工領取勞保老年給付加上勞工退休金合計約每個月33,095元 |
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你們做這樣的一個比較然後特別提到這個如果修正為這個1.5的話會再提高到45431影響不同職業間的橫貧性而事實上這個如果每一次做一個這個調整然後就要做比較的話那永遠就不能比 |
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農業就不能調啦所以是有時候是我們這邊調然後去帶動其他的比如說帶動勞工的調整都是有這個需要性何況勞工基本上勞工基本上他是這個每隔月每隔月領薪水啦平常的時候上班還沒有退休的時候 |
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跟農民不一樣農民是看天吃飯很重要是看天吃飯不只是看天還要看什麼還要看這個消費對不對現在還要看什麼誰要看美國對不對川普的經濟川普的關稅所以這個 |
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因素也很多啦因素也很多所以這個部分這個再請這個農業部好好的評估然後另外這裡面很重要的這個你們的報告裡面第三點提到經分析農民未參加農退儲金之原因與農民之儲息意願儲息能力有關這個就是平常他的收入有關係啦 |
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跟他平常跟我剛剛講的有關係所以這個部分是一個他不確定的收入也不像勞工每個月領不像公務連每個月領他不是所以他因素很多所以就會產生這樣的一個考量所以農業部是不是在好好的評估在支持 |
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我第一個跟委員報告我們農業部的立場絕對沒有否定包括希望委員或國務委員等委員所提的提案那我剛才說的就是我們一開始會做先做客觀的分析那因為以 |
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農業部來講當然越高對農民越有利可是相對的當政策執行下去的時候也會考慮到跟其他的類似的這樣子一個方的條例或辦法的時候的橫平性所以我們這邊提到的所以我們會再做一些評估同時是不是能夠有一些也達到委員的期待然後有更好的方式也能夠增加更多的 |
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農民來參加這個除菌我想這是我們共同的目的啦我們一定會很仔細的去做更細部的一個分析這個部分一定不能光用數字去衡量去比較啦必須考量我剛剛講的這些很多的因素所以這個部分也請農業部這邊考量好另外就是這個我一再提的 |
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這是你們3月26號的報告施行農民退休儲金制度提繳受益人數累計約10.9萬人覆蓋率約33.7%所以光我們從這個跟勞工的就不一樣勞工的很高幾乎是百分之百因為它強制的嘛 |
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所以這個 老公只有16而已喔志願提交才16個而已喔他們只有16嗎 16我們農業參加退休初見對 那個可能是有包含的那個那個不是 那個叫什麼沒有 那個是雇主提領6%的這個部分我們算過了 這個是16%所以農民本身的一個宣導我們是有加強宣導的效果啦 對好 我們看這個 |
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這是今天的報告裡面裡面提到這個 |
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統計114年3月底曾經參加農退儲金受惠人數合計約11萬人含移領這個部分佔未滿65歲且經系統比對符合資格者比例約為49%這個也提高了是吧是這是很好的一個成效好我們看這個 |
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我還是要再為原住民的農民來記這個是之前的一個數字這個是112年10月31號的數字 |
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原住民農民提繳農退儲軍的只有佔百分之五點七真的是這個比例很高我跟委員更新一下這個數據您這邊的數據是去年的數據嗎有這邊有你們這個新的 |
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新的數據現在還有更新的現在是866現在更新的是972到3月27號的是866現在已到上個禮拜是972972我們很努力的在做宣導所以這個部分這個宣導之外你們就是要去了解 |
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原因啊原因是不是他就是刚才你的报告里面提的搅不起所以这个部分所以在这样的一个情况之下是不是可以思考 |
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這個制度的調整制度的調整就原住民的部分也許就有一個制度的調整希望他們能夠講而起或怎麼樣去做鼓勵所以這個部分所以這個是一個你們在宣導的時候也了解一下原因是什麼好不好會 我們每次宣保的時候都會收集相關的意見因為在這樣的一個比例如果從這個 |
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783這是112年的10月31號的數字經過你們的努力之後到3月今年的3月27是866沒有增加多少 不到100嘛增加的然後你現在是900多嘛 900幾 |
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現在是972然後現在的農保的人數也降低了大概是11995人所以那個比例有增加那是因為那個農民的人數我們參加的人數也增加了然後總農保的人數有稍微下降所以它是浮動的啦那我跟委員報告 |
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整體看起來是百分之八好像比平均的還低但是有一些縣市幾乎都是零啦這個部分就是我們宣傳的重點那有一些縣市我想像嘉義的其實嘉義的其實有達到百分之五十然後剩下的有達到像台南的有達到百分之三十五桃園的有達到百分之二十五 |
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但是因為有零的關係他會把整體的平均拉下來那這些資訊都是我們未來宣導的一個重點特別是針對比較比例比較低的部分好這個部分這個新的數據再提供給我好謝謝好謝謝現在請楊瓊英委員做詢答 |
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謝謝主席 楊瓊發言 邀請陳部長 |
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我們來討論這個老農津貼因為本席有提案我們老農津貼排庫的條款14年沒有檢討但是到目前為止我們看到長期的通貨膨脹以及公告地價房價上漲不少實際上他真的生活有困難的老農也因為這樣的原因非他所願那僅因土地增值而喪失了勤領的資格 |
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那导致什么呢?帐面有地 |
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實際無資源帳面有地實際無資源的矛盾持續所以農業部雖然你有說了我們的排付條款排付條件是比其他的社府寬鬆一點但是曾經在107年修法放寬的條件根本沒有辦法去解決因為物價以及地價所變化所帶來的自動失格 |
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自動失格所以會導致整個制度的失衡跟民怨串起所以本席首先要請教部長本席所提出的老農津貼暫行條例的第四條修正條文當中您是不是支持 |
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由原先我們大概是現在限定是500萬那這個應該要有所提升也就是因應剛剛本席所說的他因為房價上漲公告地價上漲導致形成了帳面有地那實際無資源導致自動失格的這個情況那你是不是支持老農今天應該要與時俱進來保障老農 |
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的一個晚年生活請說明我想基本上農業部的立場是支持這樣子的一個排布條款的修正當然那整個排布條款大概分為幾個部分一個部分就是所得的部分一個部分是財產的部分另外一個部分是你唯一自住房子的金額的調整所以你目前設定的五百萬 |
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14年沒有修 這個有討論空間嘛對不對絕對有 那你要趕快支持啊本席提案啊 暫停條例第四條啊不是 我想我們在上個會期本身我們就有把我們的方案送到行政院去 |
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那行政院在上個會期的時候曾經討應該是在113年的2月份去年嘛去年就是520以前啦現在進度到底到哪裡那我們把我們的方案送到行政院那行政院那時候初步的討論是說要跟八大社會同步啦那我們是希望我們的情況跟社會不一吧所以你從去年2月 |
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到現在進度呢沒有 因為最後的核定我想我們還會跟行政院做積極的爭取包括我剛才說的因為整個公告的價格有沒有 現值已經有調升了嘛那我們這個部分應該 排付的部分應該也要從500萬可以拉 剛好看要拉到700或是800那這個數目是可以 本期提案800萬嘛 |
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沒有我覺得這個是本席的提案然後還有就是鎖的部長我也知道本席也知道你對於農業你是全力以赴的支持但是你要有方法啊你從去年的二月份送給行政院到現在超過一年了 |
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一年將近要三個月了那我們怎麼辦你不能只有嘴巴說我支持啊你現在是農業部長欸你怎麼樣跟行政院要支持你啊我們都支持你啊支持農業啊行政院也非常重視這個訊息非常重視這個訊息一年多沒給答案我們基本上因為這個考量到還有其他社會的同步請問接下來要怎麼做 |
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接下來我想我們會請專案報告給卓院長這邊了解什麼時候專案報告給卓院長送到行政院二月份到現在一年三個月我們會盡快的聯絡下個禮拜送 |
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我們已經送進去行政院了基本上我們會安排跟院長做專案報告然後看看其他的社福的什麼時候安排專案報告哪有一個行政效率一年三個月還沒有達我們會努力來安排時間啦多久會安排我上禮拜就開始安排了啦你上禮拜安排喔你下禮拜就快走啊我相信很快的就是你相信很快我還再一次相信你的很快 |
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因為時間不是我決定的 但是我們有在做這件事情我們要積極啦我們沒有辦法管控別人管控自己一年三個月我們得不到答案我腦農多可憐 自動失格是因為你房價上漲 是因為你公告地價上漲所以實際上生活是有困難的 |
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趕快加油 是我期待下個禮拜能夠看到聽到你的專案報告給我們答案 好不好接下來本期要請教農業金庫的問題5月21號媒體也給你報導了我們一兆的錢一兆的錢六成來自於我們的農漁會但是我們的董建市會15席裡頭10席是你政府指派 |
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出六成的人只有五席有一點失衡所以本席具體建議我先跟委員報告這個資訊本席具體建議可以再來調整很多人會怕說是不是有政治力的介入我不希望看到這樣子所以第一個等一下題目先講完第一個席次可以來做討論有討論的空間讓他能夠均衡 |
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第二個 本席要請教因為很多人怕說會有政治力的影響所以 部長你有沒有討論 研議是不是得以讓第三方的監督力量進來可以讓他更加的中立更加的透明因為我們知道說 |
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政府 尤其農業部長您我是非常敬佩您我絕對支持政府要輔導我們的農業轉型在現階段是非常非常的重要農業轉型之後還要再跟這個國際來接軌 |
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因為都是地球村跟國際來接軌所以有更透明更苛責的這個制度絕對對我們的農業轉型跟世界接軌它絕對更有幫助換句話說這兆元的資金能夠更有效的用在我們農民農業所需請說明 |
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第一個 您這邊講到說只有五席來自農漁會其實在15席 董事裡面有九席那農業部的關股的部分我們也有兩席是由農會來的然後獨立董事裡面的五席當然啦 那是你派的啊雖然他是農業 但是你派的啊對不對所以基本上 這個就是您講的就是說你去討論好不好我希望的是資金出的人是六成那我們要怎麼樣去均衡 |
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讓制度不失衡這是重點第二個本席請問你的是不是同意讓我們的造園資金可以更公開透明所以換句話說地方第三方的這個監督機制得以去研議加入我想讓整個的一個 |
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執行面的部分做更該透明 我絕對同意那剛才委員也特別提到因為農業金庫是我們的很多農業的方案的一個合法的單位所以不應該有太多的政治力介入 |
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就是人民在監督不希望的但是相對的你看嘛我們現在的公股的董事長他是一個專業經理人那用專業的方式去經營農業經股是我們農業部要求的所以你更可以同意讓第三方監督機智進場嘛對有一些更公開的部分去做處理理性研議啦理性研議方案怎麼樣我們的目標要公開透明很重要但是不希望說去調整到他的在接下來本席最後一個議題請問 |
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我看到我們的社群裡頭 媒體報導有這個動物收容所的管理員 他把狗灌水 掃餵食然後他說他因為他怕狗 他不想掃大便 所以他這麼做 他自己承認 |
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我們台灣社會怎麼會有這樣的一個現象產生呢所以我們從機制面來看收容所的人員的遴選跟工作配置是不是應當要有訓練要有專業要有適任性部長 是不是應當要如此我絕對同意齁你絕對同意 接下來本席再跟你說這樣子的一個情況那發生了這個調職 |
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那你後續要怎麼做所以本席具體建議請教部長面對這樣子的缺失你的監督機制在哪裡你整個全國性的聘任最重要本席強調的訓練機制你要怎麼做你是不是還有國會走來走去你的跨縣市的一個監督機制跟集合 |
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懲戒你是不是應該去研討你至少要保障動物最低的一個保障嘛這是基本條件嘛要怎麼做請教委員上次質詢也提到這樣的一個案子那其實我們也遵照委員的建議包括在職訓練要怎麼樣更落實那怎麼還會這樣子的情況發生呢這個聘任制度要怎麼樣去確保然後還有就是說 |
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當你在做這個事情的時候你根本不知道他真正對動物的愛心或是行為當你有愛心的話絕對不會做這種事情所以遇到這種事情的話那些懲處不只是吊詞我覺得應該有更嚴謹的回歸到動保法的相關的處罰條例那這個部分我們已經在做專案的時候因為還要跟各縣市在做一個比較有效的做專案的處理發生事情我們必須該當權責要怎麼去理清楚 |
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第二個是本席也非常重視的也就是發生了這個事情我們要盤點一下我們的訓練機制到底夠不夠這個很重要你把你們訓練的機制方式以及成效這個成果一份書面資料給本席我們規劃完以後我們就會提供給委員一定要落實好 謝謝 |
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好 接下来我们请谢一芬委员 请做询答好 谢谢主席 我想要请陈部长我们请部长 |
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委員好部長好去年我們颱風影響到荔枝的樹勢所以今年荔枝的佐果又受到低溫的影響那我們彰化有很多的荔枝果園的話會受損嚴重其中以 |
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黑葉、玉荷包等的那個品種最為嚴重所以農業部他公告說彰化縣是符合天然災害救助的標準是不是那但是我們現在的農業保險裡面卻只有針對氣溫太高以及降雨太多才會啟動理賠那這個部分未來是不是可以提供給農民更好的保險內容 |
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第一個就是非常謝謝委員的關心特別是針對荔枝的一個產業發展那我們也去看了縣幹分兩個部分天然摘的部分我們看的確花開得很漂亮但是沒有佐果的部分所以我們開了天然摘來救助第二個部分就是農業保險的部分農業保險本身它現在是開水跟溫度 |
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但是相對的因為他必須由我們的試驗單位去界定多少的雨量跟多少的多低的溫度會影響那這個部分我也已經請我們試驗場的同仁去做更明確的界定那界定完了以後就可以納到保險裡面去 |
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好那過去我們除了就是荔枝春夏以外其實我們荔枝細蚵對於荔枝的落果以及外觀也會造成影響會影響到我們荔枝的品質那所以未來除了春夏以外對於荔枝細蚵我們可以有什麼樣子的處置 |
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我想我們基本上都像荔枝春相本身它有生物防治跟非生物防治嘛看它不同的時間點那荔枝繫兒的時候我們也可以用其他的方式像用特定的光譜特定的光譜去照射的時候讓它不會吸引它那這個部分在實驗單位都有些成果我們會盡量的 |
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因為荔枝蟹兒牠怕光嘛對不對牠又不能藍光 特別的光啦 特定風暴的話牠可以去那個 對所以我們就可以利用這樣子來防治嘛 是好 那再回到我們今天的主題喔其實我們今天修的這個農民退休條例第七條喔 |
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那個部長你知道嘛其實我們提供的這個相關的提撥金額是對於農民有一個比較好的保障而且其實我們第7條的第3項第4項有講到就是我們提收的退撥儲金不計入當年度 |
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怎麼樣提繳的這個其他的所得課稅嘛是不是那其實對於農民有一個比較好的而且這個跟老農年金不一樣嘛那我們當初在推行的時候就發現到很多農民他如果加入農保或是相關的他有時候其他的課稅太高的時候他沒有辦法領到那個他會被剔除耶 |
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是不是?是他會被剔除農民資格欸對那他就沒有辦法領導農年金欸沒有 |
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農民退休儲金你要加保的時候你農保一定是綠燈所有的條件都符合那這個部分因為有些農民他擔心他的農保可能短時間剛好有點換地質或是土地有一些買賣或什麼的所以他就不敢加保那這個可能就是我們必須要去更加強的宣導的一個原因 |
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不只這個啦還有其他的相關的啦就是說大家對於這個其他的條例的部分那當然你知道說我們那個勞農津貼有很多農民在最後的時候他可能因為土地的轉移等等的 |
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他可能都沒有辦法領到這些不過他不影響老農津貼嘛老農年金的影響不影響65歲以上對 我是說他有可能都沒有辦法領到老農津貼你知道線型上面線型上面對啦 那個就是排富的部分那排富的部分剛才也說了委員也在關心排富條款我們就盡可能的努力去讓這個排富條款能夠做適度的放寬這個我們會來努力 |
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你們會去努力嗎對我們本身就認同這樣的方式會努力嗎我們認同這樣的方式我認為喔其實我們提高這個比例喔那還是放在政府的部門裡面啊是不是我們提高了這個比例最後還是放在政府部門裡面啊是不是不是最後放在是不是勞保沒有他的個人的賬戶裡面喔我是說 |
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我是說當然啦最後是個人的賬戶裡面可是他還是給勞保局的那個基金運用管理局來全權處理嘛還是政府的基金部位嘛是不是那所以你有問過嗎其他的勞保基金 |
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管理局他們也有沒有意見那財政部有沒有相關意見那其實在某種程度上面我們還是在政府的基金操作裡面啊是不是那我們還是維持相關的穩定的那個啊那其實也沒有說也沒有說給予農民的比例有什麼樣子的提高只是提高他的保障而已嘛是不是那連這樣子提高他們的保障 |
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我覺得這個也沒有什麼沒有什麼好值得那個我跟委員報告就是所提到的1.5比1的部分他會把天花板打開就是他退休時候領的月退的部分會更高啦 |
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那委員一直關心就是說怎麼樣...他是根據我們的定存的嘛定存的利率嘛 是不是不過您所提的版本是1.5的部分是他繳100塊 政府撥150 |
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又多了150給放在這個儲金多了50塊所以到30年以後它累積的月退會更高但是我知道委員的想法就是要支持我們的農民去加入減輕農民負擔所以我們用另外一個思維就是我們同樣是100塊對100塊現在就是說有沒有可能政府多出一點然後農民負擔少一點 |
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那這樣的話他的天花板沒打開200塊沒有變成250的時候那跟其他的勞保的這些年金比起來就不會差太多那你有試算過嗎試算過怎麼樣子對政府的縱效是比較好的啊是不是你要對於政府整體的縱效這個我提出的提高1就是說我們提高的相關的1.5的比率 |
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對政府來講也是放在共同的基金運用裡面啊是不是那對於我們這樣子整體的運作來講也沒有什麼有損失的部分嗎我跟你講喔它所增加的金額15億其實不是很巨大 |
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但是考量到就是說他30年後退休以後他所領的跟勞工朋友所領的你今天都沒有一個試算的比例嗎你只有增加你只是把它兩個加起來其實農民有時候根本也領不到這個相關的兩個加起來的 |
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沒有你如果持續從事農業的話你那種農年金一定可以領然後同時你的農民退休儲金可以領然後加起來是大概是四萬五千多如果一點五的話那勞工朋友才領三萬三啊那現在的情勢是我們領三萬八可是你要知道他們兩個的所 |
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他們兩個的那個條件是不一樣的農民退休儲金跟勞保的那個退休金那是不一樣的喔是不是又跟公保跟那個公務人員的退休金是不一樣的計算方式喔我們有更好勞保的退休儲金是雇主 |
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提撥最高百分之六那我們現在的制度是政府幫你提撥百分之十最高百分之十所以已經比勞保更好了所以我希望說未來是朝向怎樣也符合委員的期待就是我們減輕農民的負擔他獲得一樣的保障那那個保障在30年後試算的時候也比勞工朋友好一些這是我們的目標 |
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所以你的意思是說你不支持這樣子你要提出其他的是不是那你提出其他的說預算是一樣還是怎樣我想委員提的我們一定尊重而且也是選擇的方案之一然後我們會把不同的方案去做更詳細的評估然後再看看說哪一個方案是 |
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包括對我們的農民朋友是最有利的那以我們現在的了解農民朋友是希望減少他的每個月的負擔啊減少每個月的負擔就是說保障一樣但是政府出多一點 |
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他們出少一點我是可以同意說我們可以把不同的條件拿出來比較但是我覺得說以目前這樣子的方式因為我們當初在委員會有提出討論的時候我們就有說到其實我們就應該要隔年度就是說來再討論這個比例以及就是說怎麼樣子能夠增加農民的加保的加保率 |
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那未來怎麼樣子來提高農民的加保率以及怎麼樣子來增加我們就是農業的從業人員或者對不對這個都是我們當初希望討論的方向也是我們努力的目標就是特別委員一直關心包括上個會議你也關心的就是覆蓋率的問題有一些農民他現在沒有辦法參加農民職業災農民的退休儲金有沒有辦法 |
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替他們解決一些問題把他納進來包括有一些有沒有曾經操控要過勞保的嘛所以這個部分我們都同步在研議包括您所提的方案還有郭文委員所提的方案還有我們想到的方案還有一些可以讓更多人加入的這些方案都納進來以後這樣的話來討論會比較什麼時候 |
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你什麼時候可以提出我想我們會在最近一個月之內應該就有一個因為我們也延期的差不多了那有個重點就是說我們的方案也要經過行政院來了解跟同意所以目前你們的方案是沒有經過行政院就對了 |
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對 我們沒有經過行政院最後的方案是沒辦法確定的包括現在的老農津貼行政院也說因為八大基金要橫平性但是我們會去爭取農業可不可以先行這個部分我們包括農民的退休儲金的部分的一些調整的機制那也要行政院這邊能夠得到支持因為有得到行政院支持才有經費啦好 那希望你敬述好不好好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們也希望部長的問題通通都知道速度要加快要不然我們都是只有在講問題都沒有講解決方案加油好 謝謝現在請陳超明委員做詢問 |
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陳昌明問人 尋答結束 休息五分鐘首先有請陳部長陳部長部長 我就要轉卡雖然我是在野黨 |
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但是我都在推銷你們的三保義軍三保 農民健康保險 農民災害保險 農業保險現在再來就是農民退休資金的保險 |
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但是我想這個問題,會在上個會期跟你們爭吵了很久都沒有動好像給農民多一點,會掛你們的肉,會掛國家的骨頭,還是什麼樣將來,下個會期是預算的審查三次公諒,立法院做了決議你們的不遵照執行,沒有關係 |
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第二個 我跟委員報告喔 那個1月3日方案來的喔 在苗栗喔這也都會很高興耶 我們的方案喔 他們真的覺得不錯耶我不是要說高興就帶 但是我下去的時候 大家說我講了20幾年都沒有表情啊你做什麼立法委員 說你來吃冰凍喔你去掛下去 農會幫你洗奶 幫你剝茄 你就開心但是我周一的情形跟你不一樣嘛 |
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不是,我跟議員報告,我們看現在的產地價,比去年現在從屏東開始開的都是快到一千一毫每百台幣,過去都差不多九百幾而已,所以現在的產地價已經拉了快一百塊。實在說啊,農民很可憐的啦,他有時候去工廠打工來做這些啦。我們也很辛苦,我們一定會去照顧。我現在跟你說,不然我們來打賭一下。 |
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我怎麼可以聽到你們立法院的決議我不執行 |
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你這樣講誤會我你誤會我我不會誤問你我不會說在野黨提的我就不尊重我一定從專業的角度你講官話越來越選我一定從專業你都很誠實現在都會隨時再反應來 我跟你打賭一下 |
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下一個會期是預算明年是選舉年第一天你會碰到的問題工糧收購的問題絕對會遇到大家為了選票會給你開支票現在我給你一個information消息 |
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台南市在市長的辭陷就把農民偶爾爭取權益列為第一個所以供糧收購你要去面對啦現在我們沒有關係啦反正決議也不做我們也講你們這樣對台灣自己國內的家暴你們都不執行偶爾我們來跨跨跨跨大家再來比一次第二個 |
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老農今天勢必大家提起來現在八千塊如果提到一萬塊、一萬兩千塊你會知道政敵的人全都選票這些人都會把你踢出來到時候你要不要去面對這對台南發動的總統的故鄉市長候選人提出來就在逼狗這是第一的問題你要遇到 |
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那裡的流浪潛艇在那裡, |
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排戶條款,排戶條款說幾個年怎麼會說幾個變,現在通貨膨脹,一公尺大概一百萬,這幾年條款兩百萬、三百萬、五百萬,變成一千萬,比比皆是,那些勞動津貼,很多都要被取消掉。 |
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我不是我也要做事啊不是我的財政是自然增加你也要去調整不然碰到這樣的問題很多你們要改變嗎我剛才說的排布條款的部分從工業部來支持所以我們有提配套的組織我不曉得你的肩膀有多用膝蓋有 |
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我已經送到行政院去了我跟妳講今年預算大家開始吵了把疫情都全部翻出來因為你們當時都沒有做 |
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我是跟你講啦因為我是愛護你希望你繼續留部長我先把問題告訴你喔讓你有準備喔不然你會被修理得東倒西歪喔我先跟你講所以你那麼照顧馬雲綠我一定要替你想那今天是談到我們農民的退休措施我聽你講譬如我假設 |
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我們基本工資如果是三萬塊一%是三百塊政府也是三百塊你現在意思是10%就三千塊政府是三千塊你意思是說如果剛剛兩千塊政府來分成四千塊這樣 |
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對不對 多了你減低農民的那個我還知道聽你說什麼我是這樣子齁 就是說我有一百塊去省啦農民搞一百本來政府也搞一百 兩百塊嘛那我們現在要減輕農民的負擔農民搞八十 你搞八十這樣類似這樣的比例 比例還要再精算一下你就是農民的時候是不能比勞工多我問你思維要改變要是我做補償 現在缺農很多人不去種田 |
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不要緊 我把他拿過來你說只差到20 讓臺灣農民覺得算你用這個觀念去想 大家在跟我說負擔多 他們都沒有想到未來我覺得要提高給他們沒有 委員我都認同 就是我們希望農民的照顧更到位 |
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你退休金管大家都要來作信嘛不然現在年輕人怎麼作信青龍也是越來越臭的啊那我是這樣子講你說1.2政府交1.8如果我們老龍的退休金贏過 |
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那個勞工的退休金大家來從農 大家來遮農藥我們政治農業就會好好發展你怎麼不去吸引民眾觀念改變啦 我知道啦你們就是不行 因為勞工的人士比農民的人士還多啦我只對農民負責齁我提出那個分析齁 |
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要找到一些可能未來會被挑戰的一些數據然後我們從這個數據裡面去找到一個因應之道我不是拿這個數據說我不同意我覺得我不是拿這個數據說我不同意喔因為那時有跟你們在講跟你們講好我們試做就1比1啊現在你的覆蓋率又不足表示不夠吸引力我就都把你找出來你們的試算表我都出來了 |
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我都幫你找出來 我會去那裡說 好吧起步的話 要有開始才有未來所以我現在建議你變成 |
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農民1.2,政府1.8,好,我大家不要來做農民啊,你也不用煩惱崔工,煩惱越做越好,觀念改變,農民不是弱勢團體,你要提升農民的位置,這一點你好好做,我相信會提升農民的位階,愛這些人,有人要帶, |
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退休免煩惱我也想報告就是委員現在兩個兩個版本我們也會尊重也會去分析然後我們有一些想法剛才也跟委員做了溝通也會把他看看哪一個更好還有其他的必須要去協助讓他加入的我們會有一個完整的分析但是我現在做了還沒有一個習慣那個勞農津貼可能你面對的要提升我告訴你生意是夠了我太了解了 |
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第一 排污的條款通貨膨脹 物價上升 臨時台北的漆黑貴重我們整個要稍微伸展一下 某些條規500萬 這就都要調升這個排污條款 還有工作地價是自然形成的 |
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這個農保都沒有,這樣不行還有如果配合國家中大政策的時候也要去考慮不然我們要好好研究一下不是死板板的有時候很多你們可以用法律權盡命令來跟說配合國家中大建設他們要負責勞保交錢給你們嘛你們如果不去想這樣 |
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什麼國家政策 農民的去到產業裡面的光電怎麼會看到那麼漂亮的農地啊 要說下去已經過了我們不承認自己的統一 不檢討自己我告訴你 討論可以 條件可以說的好不好 不能說農民說的我沒辦法 |
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你如果要農地種田的話叫他們負責農保全部要去強制在裡面這樣你就蓋掛在那裡困難有很多方式可以解決啊 |
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生意人創意是什麼條件怎麼樣兩方面互利最好你只想到這個一點沒有改革好不好我會再向委員請教啦不要不要不要 我不敢你給我在管理 給我多多補治 給我多多講我建議多多那個 給我完成我就行兩份物流 拜託還有農後漁港 你講的啊我是紳士 紳士啊 這要給我幫忙 |
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這幾十年的免疫代表我把這樣兩件完成啊我可以功成身退 好不好拜託一下謝謝 我不得自己愛情你更不敢說話我們有提供規劃會等規劃出來以後我們再來規劃我有都有都在準備了好 謝謝你啊 拜託了好 謝謝 休息五分鐘 |
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好 現在請賴銳榮委員做詢答 |
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好 謝謝昭緯 請陳部長陳部長 |
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市長我想這個大家今天提的主要也都希望給農民退休儲金有更好的一些待遇然後也給這個農民更多的支持大方向上我想大家都是朝這個方向在努力那但是我也看到了大概初步的一些規劃上也有考慮到包括農民跟勞工之間的恆平性上的問題然後我其實我也鼓勵未來應該更多都朝向給予他們更多支持的方向就農民勞工其實都是比較辛苦的都應該給予更多支持那 |
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在這樣的狀況下的話這個部長這邊那未來會朝向是政府多一點點支持嗎補貼的方式嗎多一點我跟委員報告就是從我們實際上再去了解就是農民催促儲金農民朋友在考慮的特別是青農朋友在考慮的第一個是他們的儲蓄習慣 |
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對那他們第二個是他們的除夕的這些相關的能力啦那能力的部分因為特別在青農的部分他們才剛進入從事農業可能10年以下他們對到65歲還有很長的一段時間他們覺得說不確定性蠻高的所以他們期待的是能夠降低他們的負擔那所以 |
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委員雖然提的我們也尊重而且我們也會演繹他現在是我舉個例子100對100現在是100對100那未來是100對150嘛 |
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對於還沒有加入的人就部長的建議反倒是降低現在農民的負擔對 這樣的話意願會比較提高對 就未來的變化還很多但是降低他們的負擔政府多協助 多提撥一點然後農民提撥少一點但是總額其實是沒有改變那這樣對他們實際上的幫助會來更大會朝這個方向對 會朝這個方向因為剛好 |
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當年在勞工退休金的時候剛好我那時候我也在勞委會服務所以剛好我參與到其中我也認為其實是一個很好的制度甚至很多還會自己加碼提多所以我覺得這個制度面其實是一個好的制度面那我也希望未來如果朝廷部長這樣的方向的話 |
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就是我們在給政府多提一點然後給農民少提一點的話那希望在未來的部分給予讓他們有更多的一些支持一方面他們資金的調度會比較好一點一方面也給予他們更多未來退休生活後的保障我覺得這是一個好的方向啦那也請部長盡快把這個方案提出來好不好好會這個預定什麼時候可以提出來 |
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我想我們大概的方案除了委員的版本我們會去分析以外那我們剛才提的這些概念還有一個非常重要也是委員您也在關心的就是有一些過去曾經是從事勞工的對 |
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他為了不放棄他的勞保的方式然後但是他又持續從事農業那這個部分是沒有辦法獲得保障的我們也希望說這個部分能夠用什麼樣的機制讓他們也能夠加入農民退休儲金就讓他能夠銜接進來能夠整個來支持能夠變成類似雙軌的概念我覺得這個都是好的方向我們會整體的提出來以後就整體來思考一下因為 |
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農民跟勞工都是相對上比較辛苦的比較那個那如果給予他們多一點支持我想這個大家都是有共識的啦那如果怎麼樣他們有些過去他們的思考點在轉軌的過程怎麼去轉得更順一點給他們更多的支持好不好這個請部長再多費心那一定什麼時候可以提出來 |
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9488.984 |
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9505.196 |
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我們的方案大概已經分析的跟研擬的差不多了第一個我們先要跟行政院做報告因為所有的資金所以下個會期進到立法院來應該是可以如果說我們的方案獲得行政院同意的話下個會期就會進來 |
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9506.237 |
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9534.447 |
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就下一位進來我們希望下一期進數來完成我們現在第一個第一階段就是要獲得行政院的支持跟同意對 因為行政院會有恆平上的整體的考量對 它又有跟農民勞工跟其他的所有的事情恆平上的考量它應該會有一次性的思考是好那我們期待下個會期來進數來通過那再來我先請教一下我看到部長也有在談論到農業金庫這個農業金庫有將近一兆的一個金額那大家也都很擔憂 |
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9535.287 |
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9550.464 |
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部長我們現在能不能完全的掌控好這樣的一個農業金庫的運作我相信農業金庫第一個農業金庫現在的經營我們用專業經理人像現在的董事長就是專業的一個經理人所以我們希望說農業金庫它是 |
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協助我們農業的各項資金金融的支持還有對於我們的農會的信用部的一些監管的部分我們會更落實那這個這樣的一個過程中我們都希望有更好的措施所以在經驗農業部能不能精準的去掌握住農業經貨我知道很多人大概都想要掌握到農業經貨中我們現在是 |
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9576.752 |
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9602.493 |
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我們的公股包括我們的獨立董事我們是能夠具有主導權現在主導權幾席我們總共主導權應該有5席的獨董加6席的公股是11席所以15席裡面有11席是可以那個那我還是要請部長還是要因為這集到整個國家的整體的對農民的權益跟整體我覺得這個事情還是要由政府來主導 |
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這個才會讓大家信任但是我們主導過程中我們也會讓農會來參與所以15席裡面總共有9席是農漁會的代表就是農漁會也能夠充分的表達那個意見所以我們希望說在這個政股主導的過程中也能夠讓農會來參與這個提供意見大家都沒有問題我講的是主導權因為畢竟它關股的這個還是有相當重要的那現在有很多提到說持股1%以上就能夠來 |
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獲得提名權 這個部長支持這樣的方案嗎我們基本上不希望用這樣的方式喔最主要就是說當你有一趴的時候那相對的因為大概很多農會組成的嘛他就可以提一些董事那你也知道農會有定期的選舉那選舉裡面也有一些分導嘛 |
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9668.404 |
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那很容易被有心人做操控那如果說操控成功的話我們的經營權就會轉移到這些農會而且是特定的這些組織裡面去的時候那相對的對國家來講是一個災難因為部長我們沒看過太多民間的企業怎麼樣被禿鷹給襲擊然後導致失去了主導權然後導致那個 |
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這個農業金庫是國家很重要的一個然後我希望這塊還是要部長要緊守住由國家主導這個方向因為國家一定是國家的利益農民的利益為最大那但是如果是各個農會或者地方派系那就不一定了他的思考點就不見得是如此 |
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我覺得這個部分一定要嚴格的把關好不好 慶紅部長要嚴守住這樣一個底線那再來我請教一下日本最近缺米那台灣的米 銷往日本其實是一個很好的機會那今年的一到四月已經有五萬五千多 五千多 對 |
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9726.06 |
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對那這樣看這樣比例有可能今年有機會突破到1.5萬噸有機會嗎我們的初步的預估至少可以到1萬噸至少到1萬噸應該是一個低標吧我就看1到4月都已經一半了對就是我們的低標是1萬噸那同時我們也在觀察現在日本有一些所謂的他們的類似我們公糧的廚米有釋出但是不影響我們的輸出因為我們是高價 |
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1.5萬噸的這個還是要更積極一點的目標啦因為我覺得一方面是日本缺米正是我們機會打進日本是我們的好機會那另外一方面是日本跟台灣過去來長期來這樣的關係其實是而且我們的米的品質也越來越好那加上我們的米的量其實是足夠的那如果我們把我們的優質好的米能夠輸入到日本趁這一次機會坦白講一般如果他不缺米你也沒有機會打進去啦 |
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9766.501 |
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缺米那這時候應該大力的打進去讓台灣的米能夠外銷到日本去那如果形成他們很認可台灣的米也習慣的時候對台灣的稻米也是一個很好的一個良心我跟委員報告齁我們不只是說他缺米才打進去我們希望說我們打進去以後是可以持續的 |
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9783.208 |
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這一定要留下來這個留下來而且是我們現在跟很多日本大的通路商在合作那通路商走高端的品牌的時候就可以做市場區隔讓我們的稻米持續的外銷我希望是我們很多優質的稻米能夠打進去因為日本的稻米非常的好啦 |
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9783.448 |
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9807.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
大家很多人還在日本很喜歡吃日本的稻米但是我希望趁這個機會把台灣優質的稻米打進日本市場而且是長遠的但我講的只是說因為是缺米現在才有這個機會如果不缺米我們也不好打但是因為缺米的時候它需求量大的時候反倒我們應該趁這個時候把區隔做出來跟其他國家的區隔做出來然後打進去日本市場那這個對於台灣的稻米市場的會有很大的幫助啦對我們朝這個1.5萬噸來努力 |
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| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
9823.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
我覺得一萬噸太低標了這幾乎不用隨什麼理應應該要設定高一點的目標才能夠去達成那一萬噸照現在的努力方向應該也都可以達成好不好謝謝那最後請教一個我們漁船的收購部分這個沒有問題吧 |
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這個我想 基本上我們內部都已經處理了 現在在抱怨嘛在抱怨的部分 然後我們也會跟行政院做一個很好的溝通所以會延長到116年 82艘總經費達到28億18.49億28.4928.49億 對對對 28.49億 對所以會這樣子啦 |
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朝這個方向來前進我們您抱怨然後我們會跟行政院做好那請再跟院長來爭取我也會跟院長來拜託啦這個對於整個產業的提升競爭是有幫助的對好謝謝好謝謝現在請邱志偉委員做詢答 |
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| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
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謝謝主席 小寶寶上台我請農業部陳部長部長辛苦了第一個問題請教你就是說我們福島五縣市的食品包括農產品包括水產品都已經解禁 是去年解禁 |
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9925.745 |
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那這個他們農漁產品特別是福島五縣市進口到台灣目前的狀況如何我們有沒有還有相關的管制現在是等於說符合我們的相關規定都可以但實際的數量我現在沒有 手邊沒有資訊我會後再提供給委員福島五縣市的部分對 已經解禁了就應該沒有任何的縣市讓他們福島五縣市代表說安全無與沒有問題 |
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那過去中國是這個日本漁產品最大的出口國是那台灣在這個所謂五島五線式這個食品管制之前日本這個漁產品這個出口到台灣的狀況怎麼樣我這個是不是可以請那個副助長日本 |
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9964.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
沒有 包包委員這邊沒有把數字寄出沒關係 會後再提供給我那當然我們的漁產品也有日本需要這個比較喜歡的品項比如說石斑魚他們都接受度蠻高那我們可以這個雙向來做更多的這個漁業農業的合作 |
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| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
我最近去拜訪日本國會跟幾個日本國會議員討論我去主要是針對台灣的CPTPP要請日本多加支持因為今年澳洲當了日主席國這是一個非常最重要關鍵的時刻日本扮演非常重要的角色日本全力支持不然其他的國家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
10019.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
大概也不敢太多的發言對我們會有幫助啦對如果他全力支持有全力支持跟這個意識性支持完全不一樣那當然他們是全力支持但是他們還是有一些抱怨就是說當初無線式這個食品管制台灣跟日本那麼友好但是我們卻對他們這個無線式食品管制我說那是因為公投 |
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| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
因為有公投所以必須要有這個限制那我們也希望說基於相信科學所以我這部分先事後了解說從去年檢驗之後服務到我現在這個農漁產品輸入台灣目前的狀況怎麼樣我們會來統計然後再提供個委員有沒有可能加強採購呢有沒有可能加強採購我想我們現在 |
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包括我們這幾年來其實我們就這樣石斑就好石斑其實有太多的日本通路商開始在洽群希望說能夠增加這個採購然後今年七月中旬大阪的這些食品展我想我們農業部也會組團再去針對重要的農產品做一個行銷雙邊是互惠的如果我們也跟他們多一點進口買一些然後他們也幫我們買一些他們對我們這個石斑他們也可以更多接受度 |
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10075.566 |
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10094.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
好今天討論這個主題很重要那三保一金當然是對農民最最重要的照顧那我覺得照顧還是不夠那如果按照這個郭國文委員的版本就是從1倍到1.5倍整體預算評估大概增加 |
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15.5億你是用9萬人口還是用20萬人口因為你現在覆蓋率是49%嘛對不對你的覆蓋率49%那你這個他自己提撥是1%到10%對不對那你這個15.5億是怎麼計算出來的我們15.5億是依現在的人數去儲穀因為 |
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當你提高的時候是已經在提腳的你現在的出鍋是用49%對不對大概9萬多人口嘛那你如果符合資格應該是20萬左右嘛對22萬左右那你增加這個政府的這個提撥當然會增加誘因嘛所以人數一定會增加嘛我覺得是這樣15.5億啊甚至你到20億 |
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30億是對農民的照顧那你我覺得沒有必要再去跟其他的職業族群去做比較你用這個勞保跟這個農保我們農民領取老黃金貼加農退儲金的金額跟這個勞工領取勞保老年給付跟勞工退休金的金額我覺得比較基礎不一樣你這個農民領取老黃金貼加農退儲金大概多少人 |
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農民 農保是現在現在農保是85.3萬人但是65歲以下的是31.7萬你有資格到最後領取可以領取 實際上喔他農保就完全合格的22.3萬人不是 你最後呢可以領到農退儲金的最多就20萬22.3萬人 對所以並不是所有農民都可以領到這個這個每個月3萬8這種金額對不對是 |
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是少數 大概不到四分之一實際從容的部分那勞工大部分都會領到三萬三左右嘛 對不對所以你不能用這個帳目這個比較的基礎說你如果提高到這個1.5倍所以這個倍數一定要提高至於說底倍 1倍1.2 |
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1.5 1.7兩倍我們都可以去討論那我覺得以你1.5倍作為基礎來看這個金額是增加不多那對農民的這個覆蓋率或者說他意願會增加 |
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我跟委員報告齁 我要先說明一下就是我們並沒有反對這樣的委員的提案那我們會做這樣的分析就是說我們要去向行政院申請經費的時候這個分析會有誤導啦並不是所有農民都可以同時領到勞農基金或農退儲金嘛大概只佔四分之一左右但是大部分的勞工是可以領取他勞退基金跟勞農給付嘛我說的沒有錯吧 |
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你說你這樣會有點誤導說如果增加到1.5倍那可能跟勞工的差距會變得更大我還是強調一下我們做這樣的分析就是說我們要先找到一些差異性未來當做 |
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跟行政院在做爭取的時候的一個論述所以因為行政院考量我剛才的論述是可以提供你去跟行政院爭取而且這金額才15.5億金額是不多以重大建設來講你也承認說不多再多的照顧都是應該的因為農民是相對弱勢他們老年之後 |
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這生活的這個保障很重要對 育後養長當然越多越好你說你覆蓋力還不到五成 對不對你1.5倍 基本上增加你所謂的15.5億但一定會提高覆蓋率嘛是好 不然你要40 到 比方說到這個到23萬滿額的話 全部都有覆蓋的話 |
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真的能夠兩筆都可以領到也大概只有三分之一左右我跟委員報告我們除了委員的版本以外我們會去做好好的規劃然後再加上我剛才提到的就是說怎麼樣減輕農民負擔在同樣的金額之下農民提繳的可以少繳一點政府再多繳一點保障一樣然後另外一個更重要就是還沒有加入的我們想辦法有困難的地方我們怎麼樣讓他加入這整個方案我們會做一個包裹來跟行政院報告 |
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另外我第三個問題請教老榮今天的調整老榮今天調整的依據跟頻率當然相對於其他職業別比方說軍工教育月退跟勞保年金等等我們目前是四年調整一次對不對在那前一年的CPI對不對 |
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但是為什麼不能比照比較優惠的這個軍工教育月退你CPI增長率達正負5%的時候調整或至少每四年檢討一次這個問題是不是可以往這個方向去思考呢我跟委員報告我們農業部的版本已經提到農業行電院去了包括CPI現在每四年調整一次的時候如果這四年中你的CPI超過一定比例的時候也可以啟動調整這是我們的 |
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那另外排富的部分我們也將所謂的所得的部分從50萬也適度的提高他的財產從500萬有沒有也適度的提高還有自住所得房屋的部分也提高這個部分我想我們委員都有非常多的建議調整太過消極太過保守這個照顧也不夠你看從101年到114年這15年間從7000塊到8110塊對不對是 |
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但你這個整體最低生活費是暴增了幾倍 暴增了1.5倍你從台灣省來看 台灣省五都之外從1萬塊到1萬5 增加1.5倍那你從7000塊搭8000塊是增加幾倍 很有限 |
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所以你要應該以這樣做比較在你的方案上面能夠更好提出更好的方式來照顧老農老農今天能夠有更多的對老農有更多的照顧這個八千塊我覺得這十年才剩下一千多塊 |
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這個對農民是沒有辦法交代會 我想委內意見我們也會再把它做一些納入我們現在已經針對CPI的調整時間包括排富的部分我們已經做了一些建議了那至於說它的那個調整跟它的生活所得的比例也要盡量要一致化這個部分我想我們也可以把它納入另外住宿代表處有沒有農業組的編制我們有 已經成立了農業組 |
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去跟國會做一些說明他們很在乎啊我只要說提到CPTPP說我們支持但是你們之前這個輔導我先是時評他們覺得有點難過他們有點難過畢竟已經過去了你要把整個原委說明清楚我想我們把這個部分重新整理以後再去跟日本的國會透過農業組去做一個說明對 去做一個說明好 謝謝委員的提醒 |
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好 謝謝現在請郭國文委員做詢答主席有請陳主委陳部長陳部長 |
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部長好 剛剛那個邱志偉委員在提到說我們駐日的單位當中已經增加了農業族那主要是針對這個台灣跟日本之間漁業往來的部分他說人家石斑一讓我們過去那李當我們也讓他什麼什麼過來其實有一個考量就是我們之前目前一直在討論的就是那個河豚的問題就我知道應該略有進展那目前的進度怎麼樣有沒有可能今年開放 |
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順利的話今年有沒有可能 |
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這個部分要請教食藥署我們這邊沒有辦法幫食藥署做這你要關心一下啊我有這個部分喔我講過幾度啊河豚的部分其實我認為它只要是安全的就應該可以進來當然是安全那相對的就是說我們在雙邊在談的時候也希望說我們開了河豚以後也希望說它能夠更積極的有一些我們有在面對外銷的這個部分我們一定順便了解應該今年底是有機會啦是有力啦好不好我知道這個我了解 |
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這樣也可以化解剛剛邱委員的疑慮那另外回到今天的主題我其實非常感謝我們經紀委會許許多多的同仁對這一個本席的提案的予以贊同那我提案的內容其實跟昭緯的內容是相似的那就內容的本身來說的話我必須提到 |
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所以說提這個案子的原因是因為我們歷經了四年我們覆蓋率其實都是在30%以下來進行徘徊那就制度已經到了一個天花板一個瓶頸的情況底下我們應該思考如果把這個覆蓋率能夠打開所以本期的提案的用意是在這邊也因此希望說農民 |
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在繳納這個以基本工資來計算的話繳納2859的時候呢相對政府提撥能不能提到1.5倍剛剛提到預算也是不過是增加15.5億而已嘛那這個強化這個安全跟韌性的部分這個是重要你看到覆蓋率的部分覆蓋率是總人口數的總投保人數的部分也不過是28.7另外一個數字從青龍的部分本來我們是照顧未來青龍希望從業人口增加 |
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更低耶只有25%耶老實講我也是很訝異啦所以訝異的情況底下當然我們提出來的時候那個貴部有提出一些回應你說其實換算於勞保的時候到時候幾副金額是相差無幾從社會保險的角度來看是這樣子可是我要跟那個主委說明喔 |
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就這個部分裡頭我們在這個投保年資的部分有將近9成都是在一個基本上都不可能用投保30年來計算的它可能中間在進來對中間進來或年齡其實根本不到嘛所以你用30的做一個計算跟比對其實就有它的問題點的存在 |
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最高金額夯不啷噹也不過是一萬塊錢而已一萬塊錢而已一點然後你去看那個金額喔所有來投保有一個現象我只要投保了我就繳納10%有沒有都是最高的唯一對最高的對不對這個高達這個九成以上那也就是說經濟誘因是最關鍵的嘛經濟誘因最關鍵當中不外乎是兩種嘛一種就是我付出的比較少我拿到比較多嘛 |
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這是最關鍵的啊所以說是不是制度上有可能朝向這種方向來進行本席的提案其實也不過是我繳納的金額跟政府提撥的金額的倍數比能夠增加 |
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那這個方向有沒有可能部長我想第一個我絕對沒有否定說委員的提案不好我說委員的提案就是我用100塊農民繳100塊我們繳150我們提報150嘛對對這個最後整體的退休會比較多一點這是一個方案 |
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那另外我們有想到就是如果同樣是一百的話他只要繳八十類似八十我們繳一百二那這樣的話也是減輕農民的負擔嘛這也是啊也許兩個案可以同時設計不一定說一定不是委員的版本就是我們的版本我所證部長你這種說法是有創意的啦其實基本上你只要把那個 |
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那個這個繳納方跟提撥方的這個比例來做調整然後往多的方式上來做調整基本上我是覺得這一個覆蓋率的提升的可能性會就會增加是 所以我們會會去更精準的試算啦而且我們也安排了跟院長做報告那你大概什麼時候會送院 |
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我想齁我們送院之前我們現在已經安排跟院長做專案報告對那就是你是說下禮拜嗎最近最近喔最近喔我私下的報告然後院會大概預計什麼時候會收然後跟他報告如果說出門上如果說院長同意這個方向的話我們就會把完整的方案報院報院大概什麼時候啊這個下個六月可不可以不是這個就是看院長聽取了以後的一個決定院長如果沒有意見應該六月就可以到行政院會了嗎報告了以後就會 |
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各個單位然後下個會議就會送進來我希望六月啦好不好以六月為目標啦最後一個問題要問您的齁就是我之前一直關心台南的牛肉湯的問題齁它受到飼養成本增加喔你看到那個建五年的肉牛的飼養的場數從778場降為628場那飼養的這個數量從34000變成30000 |
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變成三萬喔那這減少就是這主要原因當然是這一個關稅的問題吧紐西蘭部分還有未來美國如果牛乳開放的話同樣會遭到這種排擠那我們換算了一下呢現在的乳牛的這個飼養量有一部分的肉源是來自於乳牛淘汰乳牛四千淘汰四千兩百頭去年啊今年預計只剩下三千七啊 |
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也就是說肉牛整體的部分減少然後淘汰跟著減少那未來可能還會再減少但是對肉的需求卻不斷的增加卻不斷的增加那以至於現在的這一個成本價已經逐漸攀升從150已經變成190畢竟200大關那這種庶民美食如果一旦變成一個鄉親美食的話那會影響到整個城市的發展跟那個遊客的來 |
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萊克素啊部長我已經問了第三次了啦有沒有什麼好方法我跟委員做一個報告以現在的雖然說我們去年有一些淘汰寡產牛可是現在每一個月的進到屠宰場的數量是還算穩定啦還算穩定但是長久來看的話我們希望把乳牛的量控制在大概12萬頭左右然後整個的牛奶是控制在43萬噸左右在這個目標之下 |
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禮物的部分可能降到某個程度不會再往下降所以我們希望說在這個部分然後增加國產 |
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現在是現實上相關的數字都在降價格一直在攀升但是屠宰場每一天屠宰的量並沒有太多的變化所以這個部分我們也會跟消費地做溝通您把最近的調查報告給本席一份那你的趨勢發展也看一下 |
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那個整個牛肉價格也不斷攀升 請你注意一下市場中端市場的價格已經往上攀升了啦從以前100變120 150都有了事實上我就在做一般的市場不用其實特意做民調 平常我們就生活在那個城市當中我們大家也很清楚啊價格是上升 但是投採量是穩定的部長 早時間下來吃牛肉湯啦我請你啦 你就知道了啦 好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝我們現在請陳廷飛委員做詢答 |
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謝謝主席我們請部長陳部長喂好 |
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部長我想在討論這個農民退休儲金條例之前我想我們還是要review一下就是說其實從蔡英文總統她一直大力推動的各項保障農民的政策其實從我們就是三保一金我們的健康保險還有農業保險還有植栽保險還有農民退休儲金三保一金 |
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这是我们从过去农委会然后到农业部曾级种族委一直到陈巨基部长我们在努力的所以我觉得今天如果我们常在说哇我们要来修正农民退休处境好像那民间都没在做事情错了 |
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我們這個三保一經我們努力很久我覺得我們應該把這個前提跟大家說也因為有我們當時候的1比1的補助所以才有今天大家在討論覆蓋率的問題要1比1.5所以我認為說我們都要把前提講清楚否則農民會忘記 |
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會忘記所以其實我們這一次覆蓋率我們在討論覆蓋率覆蓋率不足不到五成所以大家認為說這應該是這個對比補貼的問題如果有更多的誘因可以讓我們的政府補貼升到1.5倍民眾的誘因會更高我們農民的誘因會更高所以才有這樣的一個討論的依據 |
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所以我認為說其實我們努力那麼久從三保一經過去根本不可能過去根本不可能啦我們的健康保險然後再來農業保險然後再植栽保險過去我們的農民看到勞工他有植栽我們農民在大陸會卡 |
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然後送醫都沒有辦法有所謂的植栽可是現在可以了然後還有我們有一些農作物現在只要保險在我們的農損的部分有相對應這個過去也沒有然後還有我們農民的健康保險所以其實我們一直在說的 |
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我們希望農民更好因為農民很辛苦看天吃飯 |
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我都不希望說農民為了我們這個土地做這些事情但是永遠被遺忘的一群可是在蔡英文政府上任之後一直到現在賴清德總統我相信我們沒有忘記這個區塊我們也一直在做只是我們的速度好像跟不上他們的期待那這個就問題來了 |
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我們要怎麼做才能讓他們能夠符合他們的需求好我們現在來談農民退休儲金 |
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1對1跟1對1比51.5這樣的部分就是說我們的政府補貼是1.5還是1相對補貼這個我們到底增加多少錢現在是15.5億增加15.5億就增加15.5億那15.5億我們預計可以增加多少覆蓋率 |
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沒有 我們15.5億是現在已經在提繳的因為現在已經在提繳的 我們要對等增加嘛對 好 那現在15.5億 那如果我們增加到1.5倍 |
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那增加多少可能再增加8億左右增加8億那預計增加8億會有多少增加的覆蓋率我們應該這麼講從老保65歲以下而且是合格的人如果都保的話是22.3萬人 |
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那現在是將近10萬9萬多9萬2千多人是15億嘛所以如果22萬都保的時候那增加的就是大概將近35億左右所以 |
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你認為如果說全部都保進來是要增加35億是用我們1.5這樣的一個對等要增加35億那你認為我們提高了1.5有可能全部都進來嗎應該不會不會那預計可以增加多少我們在退休除菁我們有階段性目標我們希望說 |
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這在117、118年能夠達到60%到65%那如果說現在1.5%如果說是成案的話我們希望預期是至少可以到70%到80%所以你們不反對嗎我們從來沒有反對說這樣的方式不好 |
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對那現在有什麼爭議我們現在考慮的你們都不認為是不對的你們都不認為說這個部分不好而且是確實可以提高覆蓋率我想我們怎麼樣怎麼樣的提高政策的導入政策的誘因委員提的版本是1比1.5這是一個方式那我們也有另外想到一個方式就是總而不變之下我們的負擔多一點如果100 100都講100 |
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然後以後他繳80我們繳120好那你提的政策增加多少預算那個大概6億6億跟8億會差很多嗎那哪一個效率會更多現在的15.5億大概差一半 |
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那另外我們希望說不一定是二選一啦可能是可以合在一起部長好啦你們行政院農業部你們有方案那請問你們有提出嗎還在討論還在檢討我們已經跟院長室那邊約時間了我們會先跟院長做專案報告如果方向確定的時候我們就會立即提出我們的版本 |
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那這個版本完了以後會經過包括因為這需要額外的經費嘛還要主計總署還要其他的單位去表示意見所以你們的版本大概是增加5億不是我們的版本有幾個一個就是委員的版本也許可以跟我們的版本做某個程度的融合啦那這個融合可能要經過行政院這邊初步的支持我們才能夠精算下去 |
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所以你認為這是可以有調和版的對不對行政院有調和版那有一個調和版也可以增加我們的覆蓋率我們117年118年到達了60%到65%這樣的標準是不是調和版也是可以而且經費不用有那麼多的壓力是這樣嗎 |
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是 因為以15.5億來講齁其實比起其他的重大建設 它的金額並不大啦齁 但是你講到重點了真的 部長你講到重點了今天 如果我們今天一億兩億在這邊論農民心在糖血啦是 他說齁 你一個大型建設 幾百億都在做啊啊你對我農民 你是一億兩億 讓我在那裡斤斤計較 |
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這個其實是一個痛所以如果今天 |
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我們站在執政的角度 我覺得我們就把它很清楚的講出來我們要到達117年 118年的60%到65%的覆蓋率我們要提出什麼樣的政策 大聲講出來不是真的問題是農民可以有信心嗎 農民有要加入我們這個農民退休儲金嗎我們有辦法達到讓他們安心嗎 |
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是這個目標不是一億兩億三億四億這樣的問題而是要有一個完整的制度讓他們安心這才是最重要今天有很多是因為不安心否則為什麼農民退休除菁是比以前更好 |
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以前沒有撥補啊以前沒有啊那是在蔡英文總統的時候我們提了這個農民退休儲金的制度有了撥補好那應該大家會一窩蜂想要進來可是為什麼還是覆蓋率沒有到達 |
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過五成的部分 我們就要去想原因沒安心了所以當你要再提出版本 要做調和版你一定要有一個原則安心好 那現在這個版本什麼時候要提出 |
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我想我們應該在順利的話應該在這個禮拜可以跟行政院做報告這個禮拜會跟行政院做報告然後報告以後如果說我們的想法是被支持的時候還是說需要調整我們可能也會立刻的去做調整然後再重新抱怨 |
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所以我們的目標就是下個會期會送進來下個會期就是農民退休儲金制度的修正版我們也希望說連老農津貼的修正牌付的東西也一併送進來因為他不能單獨看這兩個要一起來看這個就是我要問你第二個問題今天這個牌付的部分 |
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之前部長一直把他綁在八大福利津貼 |
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這個是不是我綁 我們提出我們的版本是 那現在我要問你的是現在你說的我們要一併討論我們現在可以排除跟他們脫鉤嗎對 可以嗎以農業部來講我們希望脫鉤當然當然我們希望脫鉤嘛但是我現在問你有沒有辦法脫鉤沒有 那不是行政院要決定啊 |
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因為不是我能決定我的希望說所以那你要你在這個禮拜跟行政院長談的時候你要一併談啊因為這兩個本來都是農民最重要的這是我們一向的立場就是說因為農民有他的特殊的產業所以我們希望說能夠適度的脫鉤啊但是 |
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那你要一併談啊所以在這個老農今天你之前一直說你都支持你都支持可是因為他永遠把我們綁在八大社福津貼嘛好那既然現在要談我們農民退休儲金制度這本來就要一起談啊老農今天本來就要一起談啊在我們的排富的部分嘛那你要跟院長說這兩個要一起讓農民安心 |
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這農民安心才能真正達到我們調和板的一個處理的機制好不好部長 你在這一次就是在整個排富條款一定要把那個整個拉高否則這個已經完全讓老農沒有辦法去認同我們政府說現在還有爸爸親親在在就有爸爸了 大家也把你排除掉是不是 部長好不好 |
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可不可以啦我立場表達的非常清楚我們希望能夠就是這個禮拜嘛 你就說是我們我們壓力的嘛 我們逼你的嘛沒錯 那你要去跟院長報告啊你在這個禮拜的報告是兩個一起提出來報告並行因為這是我們老農非常重要的一個依據我們農民非常重要的依據所以兩個一起跟行政院長報告你說這是 |
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我們的委員在經濟委員會要求的然後跟院長報告看怎麼處理我們一定要一次而且那個差太多了所以拜託有而且喔如果由你來做發動不一定因為我們腦農今天的解掉 |
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排富的解掉 會帶動八大福利 其他的七大福利基金今天也解掉喔 這樣直接做工程耶你知不知道 部長這個禮拜喔 兩個一起報告結果怎麼樣 我們隨時要知道看到底是你們的問題 還是院長的問題嘛這樣我們就知道 要去找誰說啊要不然我們現在也不知道原因在哪裡 |
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那我們每次提案就說 喔 還一下 要討論 要討論可是我們回去對農民來講 都沒辦法交代再拜託部長 這個禮拜就是我們的農民退休儲金制度我們的調和板 要怎麼讓我們的覆蓋率可以達到117年 118年我們的60%到65%然後我們的老農津貼 我們的排付條款一定要解掉 |
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不能在這五百萬一定要解掉要以現在的比例 甚至每年都要做檢討我們的整個物調太快了嘛這個物調太快了 農民沒有辦法接受啦所以這個再拜託我們的部長 謝謝好 謝謝我們中午不休息 延長開會時間現在請張家俊委員做詢答 |
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謝謝主席 我想請這個陳部長 |
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我想要呼應一下這個陳廷飛委員我想有關於這個老農津貼的牌付條款是不分朝野大家都想要為老農爭取的因為現行的這些規範的確是對我們的老農非常的不公平我想要知道說部長您可以再明確的表達一下針對牌付條款這個部分要放寬要提高要鬆綁的部分您的態度是為何呢基本上在 |
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上上個會期吧我們立法院有一個討論然後後續我們就提出一個農委會的那時候農委會的一個版本是那在那個版本裡面我們也支持這個排布條款做適度的放寬大概會放寬到什麼程度我想我們在還沒有經過行政院確認同意之前我們不適合說是放寬到多少 |
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但是你覺得有可能會符合一般老農的期待嗎我不知道因為每個人的期待可能不一樣但是基本上很多委員所提到的要根據有一些它的物價指數跟那個調整我們大概也是參考這樣的一個調整的方式去設計的那大概多久可以把這個決定發出來呢我想 |
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我們不會提出一個建議因為最主要是需要一些經費所以我們必須在行政院獲得行政院的支持嘛放寬 你的意思是說經費的部分一定要行政院支持但放寬不需要經費啊沒有你是說放寬之後會增加的部分的經費 了解那這個部分我想一定要得到行政院的支持所以我們一定那你們有試算過大概會增加多少嗎 |
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我們現在大概30億左右大概30億左右那可以幫助非常多的老農所以要請部長要據理力爭為我們的農民發聲尤其為我們台灣付出了一輩子的老農我覺得非常需要部長 |
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可以幫他們說幾句話那最近前陣子因為這個低溫的影響導致雲林縣包括可能雲林以南的這些荔枝 酪梨 結果率不佳那經縣府爭取這個天然災害救助之後農業部也已經公告了那這一點我必須要代表這個農民給農業部肯定就是說非常的迅速那但是接著 |
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還有另外一個嚴峻的問題就是這個柑橘類的果樹到目前為止普遍也是結果率偏低不曉得那個部長知不知道這件事情我跟委員說明一下就是有時候這些多年生的果樹從開花到結果有沒有那有時候像荔枝您知道荔枝花開得很漂亮但是它結果率不好 |
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同樣的我們觀察到結果必須確認的時候我們就確認了所以我們就很快的開了那柑橘類的時候他一樣他會先開花然後結果的時候那個生理的弱果是情況怎麼樣所以我們可能還要再觀察一段時間大概多久呢大概 |
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6月底到7月中目前我收到的消息我直接問農業部他是跟我說6月中下旬我們希望是越快越好因為這些農民其實是非常焦躁不安的那也很擔心說他們一整年的努力就要付諸流水了那他們現在 |
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非常的焦急 那希望說農業部我們趕快啟動這個四方會開 趕快去現場開然後解決他們現在焦急的部分讓他們可以得到這個應有的協助那這一點要請部長多多加油 敬訴不要等到七月 七月我覺得太久了這個要因為現在天堂的關係嘛 |
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我們一定立即第一時間就去看這一點一定要請部長要求一下他們要盡速的不要說等等等等到農民都已經沒有希望了感覺無望了對不對那另外呢上個禮拜上個禮拜本席有向您追蹤這個季節性的這個 |
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就是那個農業移工新制的問題那農業移工是有季節性的這個需求問題那如果申請之後還要向勞動部進行維持一個90天的審查可能早就錯過了 |
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這個生長跟採收的季節那塗增這個農民的困擾那部長上個禮拜有答應說你會親自跟勞動部紅部長談然後把農業移工拉出來單獨審查不曉得談的這個結果如何我第一個部分我跟委員報告就是上次您問了以後的第二天吧我就院會我剛好勞動部長就坐在我旁邊我就親自跟他講 |
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然後他第一個部分在規定上面來講他們是七天加七天再加一個審查期所以他們會從更簡化的方式然後同樣的農業部有責任農業部在第一線審查的時候以現在來講我們農糧署在處理的話大概是三個禮拜到四個禮拜甚至於再加上前面的作業的話可能要到一個月去了 |
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那我也希望說我們農業部本身在出核的時候也要簡化那個流程那勞動部在審查的時候也簡化的話那這樣的話時間就可以有機會去壓縮 |
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對 這個就是本席要講的 因為本席也問了這個勞動部喔勞動部的意思就是說 欸 他們好像只要幾天 好像是15天以內7天加7天嘛對 7天 就是說15天以內就可以那如果假設90天 扣除掉他的15天這等於是農業部一個部會要審查60幾天欸 |
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我也曾經查過我們農業部現在平均的審查大概是一個月到一個半月四個禮拜到六個禮拜但是勞動部那邊的7加7他也不會那麼快因為他還有他們有去算他的行政流程還有最後的會議的審查那個時間 |
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所以就是希望說農業部的部分除了說已經部長已經很迅速的跟勞動部溝通了那我們農業部是不是內部也自我要求一下說我們剛才說的我們內部也會加快 要趕快簡化這個流程勞動部有一部分他們提供的資訊我們還要再check一下理論上是7加7天但是還有一些行程還有審查的流程 |
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對 所以我也希望說如果說有什麼需要調整的部分儘速的趕快去解決趕快去解決讓它簡化我們跟勞動部大概溝通無礙我想我們會一起努力好 OK 謝謝這一點也請部長繼續幫我們農民追蹤因為這個很多就是需要移工的這些農民大家都非常的關心尤其因為可以從1.2萬的這個移工增加到2萬其實對於整個整體臺灣農業我想也是幫助非常的大 |
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那接下來我本席也想要請問一下有關於那個進口豬肉含瘦肉精的事情前陣子連續3批的豬肉都驗出有萊特多巴胺那針對這樣子的食安警訊食藥署卻表示說不會再提高這個抽樣的比率也拒絕公佈流向那導致有很多國內的豬農他也很憤慨 |
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無法理解說為什麼政府會這麼的雙標面對進口的豬肉可以這麼寬容這麼低調那對於國內的養豬產業只要一有違規就會立即加強查核然後嚴格開罰這不但讓豬農覺得是雙標到極點也覺得被犧牲被忽視甚至我們一般的這個消費者也覺得很無奈啊怎麼會這樣子的話 |
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如果假設流入校園怎麼辦呢那他們如果不小心買到怎麼辦呢所以我也很希望說部長可以去理解我們豬農的一個心聲那因為農業部也一直強調說要守護台灣的農業那是不是部長也要跟這個食藥署這邊包括衛福部這邊來表達一下你的立場呢 |
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基本上農業部的立場就是要確保我們國內的豬產業能夠持續發展這是一個非常重要的至於說進口的豬肉是由衛護部主管我在這邊也要做一個說明其實衛護部在邊境把關的部分農業部是防疫的部分他們是檢疫的部分能夠讓他進來一定是合於國家的標準沒有說他不合於國家的標準 |
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有一些誤解我覺得必須要澄清但是以農業部來講我們一定讓我們國內的豬肉更有品牌更有市場區隔是 那本席想要請教您知道現在食藥署針對豬肉抽樣的比例是多少嗎這邊有講到差不多要看它的不同的國家啦差不多二至十排啦那您覺得這樣足夠嗎 |
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我所了解就以防疫的角度啦因為他們查驗的我不是很清楚那海關的部分當初要讓這個萊豬進口的時候當初農委會那時候農委會也有說他說一定是逐批抽樣那到底是什麼原因降到連10%都不到的標準本來是說每一批都要抽 |
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我覺得查驗的部分不應該是農業部來發言我知道但是當初是你們的立場你們跟我們的鄉親講講說一定會要求他們都要逐批查驗怎麼現在降到這樣子農業部一句話也不說我想抽驗的比例跟他的風險是有關聯的以防疫的角度如果說我想要知道這個農業部的態度您認為應不應該恢復逐批檢驗 |
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我認為就是所有的貨品的防疫檢驗的部分會根據它的風險它如果曾經發生不違規的時候它的查驗的抽檢的比例就會提高本席跟部長提供一個最新的民調數據 |
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消基會針對進口萊豬做了一份民調調查結果高達90%的消費者在意是否買到這個瘦肉精的這個產品64%的民眾表示說支持肉品應該逐批檢驗 |
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有高達76%的民眾表示不同意販售含萊特波巴胺的肉品部長這就是民意啊多數人的確是擔心吃到萊豬也不想要買到萊豬而且希望恢復這個竹皮檢驗也希望說農業部可以幫他們把這個聲音發出來那另外我想要知道的是說是不是 |
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也要強烈的要求保護我們台灣優質的豬肉這當然是我們大家不喜歡來豬肯定就是我們國產豬肉的機會我們這個國產豬肉的標示也一定要清楚一定要把這個品牌做出來讓我們國產豬肉更受這個消費者的喜愛 |
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第一個就是國產的部分沒問題我們一定會去加強國產豬的標示還有一些品牌區隔但是您剛才講的我覺得邊境的查驗要回到科學的根據還有國際的標準當初是中央政府出來講的講說我要逐批檢查怎麼會出爾反爾呢這些超研是用科學根據而不能用這種民意來處理你現在說科學根據 |
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那就逐批檢查才有科學根據逐批檢查出來的數據可以說服大家你現在是在幫他們進口商說話嗎你現在是在幫萊特多巴胺的豬肉說話嗎你不要汙衊喔我的意思是說科學根據是什麼你告訴我是什麼什麼是科學根據所有的邊境的查驗的比例是根據那個農產品的風險根據什麼風險你現在是在幫 |
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進口的萊特多巴胺豬肉酸辣嗎我覺得這樣講就是污衊我沒有針對萊特多巴胺我是針對防疫的部分好好再跟你說你支不支持應該要逐批檢查 |
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我還是說要回到所有的抽驗要回到科學的根據跟實際的部分什麼科學根據你告訴我所有的當你的產品當你的產品如果說經常違規你如果還有逐皮檢查的話你那個科學根據的數據哪裡來的呀科學有所謂的抽樣的根據那為什麼中央要出爾反爾當初不管是衛福部農業部都說我們一定會逐皮檢查絕對不會讓萊特多巴胺抽標的豬肉進口結果 |
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上禮拜 上個月就來個3%基本上部長我告訴你豬農 豬農對對我知道我也會去問他們我現在是問你的態度你支不支持豬農對你抱持很高的期待他們期待的是一個能為他們發聲替他們爭取公平競爭條件的農業部長我想 |
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除了剛剛提到的這個恢復竹皮檢查之外把這個標示清楚然後要怎麼樣支持國產豬的具體的措施部長你要能夠幫助他們而不是在這裡辯護欸沒有我告訴你國內的豬肉我們如果說消費者對國內的豬肉有信心的話 |
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任何進口豬肉我們不用擔心所以我們的重點農業部的重點就是讓我們的國產豬是你要好好把國產豬照顧好之外我覺得我剛才也是只是問你而已問你說支不支持逐匹檢查難道是你可以決定說要不要逐匹檢查的嗎我只是在問你說 |
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你知不支持而已嘛那你就說你支持就好了嘛跟支持不支持沒有關係是跟科學的根據跟國際的規範那你科學根據哪裡來嘛哪裡來你的科學根據你告訴我如果你可以說服我我不是不能被說服的呀所有的邊境的查驗各國都有他的相關的遊戲規則那為什麼我們一開始中央政府要說他要逐批檢查他要百分之百檢查那是不是在欺騙我們的鄉親欺騙我們的消費者是嗎 |
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我相信至少不是我嘴巴講出來的 我不知道但是之前的部長啊 之前的兩個部長都說呀恢復部部長 然後農業部部長農業委會主委就說一定會百分之百檢查那時候的行政院長蘇貞昌 |
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他也說要百分之百檢查逐批檢查那為什麼會出爾反爾呢為什麼你要幫他們辯護呢我本來只是要要求你照顧我們本土的豬農確定他們的品牌 優化他們的品牌 |
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你為什麼要幫他們辯護呢我剛剛講的我純粹針對防疫的角度我不是查驗喔防疫的角度要根據風險根據科學根據喔那至於說邊境從一百那你好好的就把這個講清楚嘛為什麼要幫他們辯護你不要說我是擁護那個萊豬或怎麼樣的我覺得你這個就是掛帽子 |
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我沒有要幫你掛帽子是你剛剛自己講的我問你說你是不是在幫他們辯護然後你跟我說什麼什麼科學根據我說科學根據在哪裡嘛我有沒有要求說你要照顧本土豬農有沒有我會承諾說我們一定是農業部的立場是嘛你就好好講你會支持本土豬農就好你再跟我 |
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狗細沙講說什麼什麼什麼什麼要科學根據我跟你說如果你不是自己講出這個空間我要怎麼掛你帽子我要怎麼掛你帽子你自己剛才沒有幫他辯護嗎 |
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這不叫辯護這是從事實上那我問你願不願意幫他們說應該要恢復逐批檢查願不願意願不願意幫出農呼籲幫我們消費者呼籲衛福部說應該要 |
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恢復足皮檢查為什麼之前的部長可以講為什麼之前的院長可以講你現在不願意講你如果不願意講的話那就有幫他們辯護的嫌疑這樣子我是不是你就有幫他辯護的嫌疑這樣可以嗎我沒有扣你帽子我只是懷疑這樣可以嗎你的專業是什麼 |
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我的專業就是說你所有的檢驗一定要有科學根據那你的科學根據是什麼你沒有主體檢查你的風險哪裡來你怎麼算出那個風險的所有的東西都有取樣的標準我當然知道但是你要體會 |
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體會豬農的心情 他們就覺得雙標你對他們檢查那麼苛刻你講這一句話我可以接受但是你在那邊跟我胡亂說什麼因為它2至10%是因為它有什麼科學標準我不接受 我不接受2至10%是你講的 |
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我不接受 我是問你說現在只有2至10%你能不能接受然後我問你說是不是要能夠逐臂檢查你說吧啦吧啦吧啦對 我說根據科學依據嘛我沒有吧啦吧啦吧啦我是根據科學依據那科學依據是什麼你說服我啊科學依據是風險啊 風險的高低啊風險是什麼 多大風險你知道嗎你就不知道你要說服我我怎麼知道我不知道那你說我告訴你 所有的東西都有它的風險你說嘛 那具體是什麼你告訴我具體內容嘛我講一個很簡單的 |
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一個農產品如果進口我現在跟你說萊豬你就用萊豬的跟我說我告訴你萊豬到目前為止沒有一個驗出是超標的嘛他有含萊豬但是他是符合國內的標準嘛符合國內的標準啊所以你也支持他說不用公開流向 |
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所以你也支持嗎你也支持嗎我現在就在問你嘛我問你農業部的立場嘛對啊你農業部的立場是什麼你沒有個人的想法嗎反正我現在就告訴你我現在就告訴你 |
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我希望我們國家是一體的不希望農業部跟衛福部兩個就是雙重標準我希望說您能夠落實照顧豬農優化我們台灣國內的產品這一點你可以做到嗎好那這一點就麻煩那個部長要能夠落實這樣可以嗎 |
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那不要再幫什麼衛福部在那邊辯護了不需要你不需要幫他們解釋也不需要幫他們辯護他們我自己會問怎麼問我問你這個你會幫他們回答呢好嗎我回答是我們方議員你來你好好來關心他們豬農我相信豬農會非常感謝你這樣好不好我昨天才去做談的啊好不好加油謝謝好現在請蔡議員做詢答 |
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謝謝詹委那我們是不是有請農業部部長陳部長委員好部長好 |
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部長我想透過今天質詢來跟部長聊一下阿里山鐵路阿里山鐵路是農業部管不是交通部是我們的林保署的這個林鐵處主管這一個阿里山的鐵路那這個阿里山鐵路他也被紐約時報2025年推薦全球最值得去的52個地點 |
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52個聖地之一那甚至 紐約時報說搭乘古老車廂進入昌裕的高山這個就是他們的一個介紹 |
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那我們做這一條阿里山鐵路那現在林鐵處也很用心他還打造了新的車廂一個叫做福生號一個叫做喜悅號那當然他是委託給旅行社來管理所以他有獨特的一個管理方式那至少新的車廂跟傳統的一個車廂有這個新舊的一個感受所以你搭怎樣的車廂去阿里山 |
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就會有不同的感受但是我要跟部長說因為我們在兩個禮拜前我們去阿里山我們也是坐福生號去做考察那我想跟部長說我有幾個感受第一個就是說我們在拼國際旅客的這件事情力道不足 |
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那怎樣的力道不足呢?我想要跟部長分享一下在113年,也就是2024年,去年的時候來阿里山的遊客日本人佔了131萬人韓國人有100萬人那剩下有印度、馬來西亞,甚至是新加坡新加坡還蠻多的,有40萬人 |
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那如果既然這樣的話明明有這麼多外國的旅客願意來到坐阿里山鐵路然後來阿里山旅遊的話但是我們看到那些告示牌目前有的就只有中文跟英文是就是有中文跟英文那你相對的喔你去日本你去看日本的旅遊景點我有給大家注意差不多都四種語言就是日文他們的日文中文英文韓文 |
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你的四種語言所以基本上你光是那種告示的你語言的一個展現就可以讓這一些外國的旅客他們覺得親近覺得來這裡玩是很容易透過一些告示他就知道他要去哪裡玩所以我覺得這部分我們可以來加強 |
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部長,我想非常謝謝委員的提醒,那其實阿里山我覺得是一個非常值得國人去的,也非常值得國外的旅客。那有關於語言上面來講,除了您剛才講的這些,不管在哲業或是在導覽的解說,可以有更多的語言方面,其實我已經跟林業百惠署特別提到, |
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有很多景點我們手機有沒有一照的時候可以跳出它的後面的整個背景說明那這樣的話又更能多元化部長你們的官方網站有有日文官方網站有很多景點的說明你看林保署他們這個做的這一本哇這個日文版的精裝版非常的漂亮然後裡面都是日文是 |
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這本也做得很好我現在就是說進到原子裡面去遊覽的時候很多景點都說明有一些用QR code的方式能夠用手機掃描帶出不同國家語言的版本這樣的話讓旅客更能夠了解這個是一個方式啦但是我覺得幾個基本語言我們一定會把它放進去我是覺得直接做印裔的告示是更好 |
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剛剛說你把日文放上去我覺得重要的那些多過語言的告示我想我們會再來做那你可以再透過APP然後讓其他的可能是旅客相對比較少可是他們的語言也是需要所以我覺得這個都是說你要怎麼把它做到更親近讓大家更適合來旅遊 |
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那我在考察的時候我有找文化部來事實上文化部每一年他針對阿里山森林鐵路要進去聯合國的世界文化資產他們編了兩千萬那我跟部長說雖然這裡沒有辦法把文化路叫來問但是我跟部長說這個兩千萬沒差錢 |
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因為我們都知道台灣不是聯合國的會員國那你要併入世界文化資產的話就要在聯合國的這個文化的一個委員會要提案但是連提案的資格都沒有所以我要跟部長說在於阿里山鐵路要爭取世界文化遺產我們擁有最好的機會是怎樣就是因為這一個森林鐵路是日本人蓋的 |
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日本人蓋這個森林潛入當年是為了運送木材現在我們把它轉型它變成一個觀光一個重要的觀光的火車我們應該跟日本合作由日本主動來申請世界文化遺產向聯合國申請跨國世界文化遺產 |
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那為什麼會有所謂的跨國呢我們知道阿里山鐵路過去把阿里山這裡的Hinoki載去日本所以包括日本明治神宮的大鳥居也是阿里山的Hinoki包括日本的法隆寺裡面的建築物也是阿里山的Hinoki還有包括在沖繩日本的這個首里城也是用阿里山的Hinoki |
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幾乎都是過去這一條鐵路嘛 它再到了日本所以你透過這樣整個檜木的一個文化的一個延伸跟這個鐵路現在這個鐵路比現在世界文化遺產在印度它的大吉嶺的高山鐵路它的高山鐵路兩千 |
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2100公尺 我們阿里山高山鐵路是從海平面40公尺直接攀升到2200多公尺 比它還要高所以我們更有資格變成世界文化遺產 但是我們卻卡在這個國際因素所以我們應該要跟日本合作 為日本來興慶讓我們可以擴寬聯合國 然後讓阿里山鐵路變成世界文化遺產 |
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我想謝謝委員這樣的一個建議我們會去評估它的可行性不過我要跟委員報告的就是在沒有加入世界遺產這是一件事情其實我們跟日本跟瑞士、印度、英國還有一些斯洛伐克等幾個國家都有建立那個協定 |
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我覺得透過這個方式 其實也讓更多人了解到台灣的阿里山高鐵我們跟日本的黑山鐵路嘛 跟瑞士的高山鐵路都有 都是這叫姐妹鐵路這個都是我們努力的方向所以我現在要說的就是說 第一個整個阿里山旅遊 透過阿里山鐵路的旅遊它的告示應該要走國際化第二個 我們應該要嘗試的把它的 |
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阿里山鐵路背後代表的歷史意涵跟文化意涵這要大家更加的琢磨我們才有辦法來擴寬世界文化遺產好 這我們來努力好 然後來下一個問題一樣來講這個豬的問題啦豬的問題我覺得剛剛張委員質詢 雖然他人不在這邊但是我覺得 |
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他這樣質詢對部長比較不公平因為主要整個食安也好 整個檢疫的過程他就是一個用科學統計的一個計算嘛科學統計的計算就不會輸到我們的頭髮部長我們的頭髮檢查我們有可能把我們的頭髮抽掉嗎抽到一滴都沒有就抽掉了全部檢查不可能嘛所以抽樣檢查就是一個科學的依據啊所以部長你的回答是沒有問題 |
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但是部長我要跟你說,現在DMA介紹說獎金要一百塊看似對豬農收益好,但是未必是這樣,因為最近不知道為什麼 |
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那個Deeper,Deeper就是那個小豬仔小豬仔,他的死亡率有比較高價格很高,這個小豬仔價格很高咧最近整個Deeper新聞館,他們的抵控率感覺比較不夠所以死亡率又變高所以對豬農而言說,他這個97塊看起來有利潤的全部給他的Deeper吃牙 |
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阿所以部長你有沒有注意到這一塊那要怎麼樣去協助豬農說本來應該端午節這肉粽子要賣多少價格應該要賺錢的時候我這棵樹沒賺到因為這棵的價格太高我跟委員 委員報告齁現在的地價我們是根據市場機制我們沒有特別去押它 |
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那其中一個非常重要的有人說以前豬肉才70幾塊我說我們現在養豬的成本是越來越高包括飼料包括您剛才講的這些豬仔本身也價格越來越高像昨天我也到豬場去了解現在有一些有關的下痢的疾病那這個部分我也請專家團在了解現在好像 |
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那個死亡的比例有一點異常啦所以我們希望說這兩件事就綁在一起嘛死亡的比例有一點異常所以變成牠的地盤的成本高豬籠牠要取得這個小豬仔牠的成本就提高就吃掉了牠最後銷售的成本所以我說這個東西我們也要讓消費者知道其實我們基本上是一個很好的豬的台灣豬肉一個很好的豬的品質 |
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那相對的在這個節慶的過程中這個價錢是一個合理的價錢不是說偏高啦這個部分我想我們也會做加強的一個說明好 那部長我再問最後一題所以5月19號的時候你跟我有說我們行政院接下來會討論嘉義的查改廠的一個進度那我想要請教部長說那討論的結論是怎樣呢 |
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現在一個問題就是梅山蝦經過探勘它的地質不穩定所以變成說那個腸子又可能會產生一些變化地質的不穩定是怎樣很不穩定以做探勘醫療可能會滑動啦所以是不夠水保不是水保就是本身地質的特性就容易滑動啦 |
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所以會變成有一些你如果在這邊做廠的話會有一些困擾所以我也在請我們的查開廠這邊在做怎麼樣的規劃哇 部長剛剛講這個問題就很大這個就是我那天您問了以後我請他們來然後他們也把最近的這些勘查的報告跟我講那我覺得我們不能說地質不穩定然後硬去蓋一個東西所以看看說有沒有辦法在...喔 伯父你這樣站起來我抓 |
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會緊張會煩惱我看我們要找一天來再跟您報告喊我們縣政府這邊大家要討論一下因為現在整個嘉義的茶葉啦包括說我們現在甚至咖啡類我們目標不變啦但是現在就是說有沒有辦法先成立我們的試驗地先不要先看看用成株的或是什麼方式然後先把那個廠區先把它設起來看看可不可以用這樣的分階段來做可是看起來 |
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現在有一點就要重頭 因為你說如果來一塊地質不一定是不是涉及 牽涉到又要找新的場子還是怎樣這個問題就會變成說又跑回頭所以我覺得這顆零 我覺得你要花一點時間我們一起再跟委員來說明一下還是我經紀委會我排考察的方式可能麻煩部長你就要來 我不然這個問題這樣起來會變沒概念我了解好不好 不然你再找一座來我教他 大家來討論一下 好不好 |
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好 謝謝部長好 謝謝我們現在請寧靜縣委員做詢答好 感謝主席本席邀請我們農業部陳部長陳部長各位好 保長你好保長 我今天想跟你談到一個問題 |
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大概到今年為止,2024年,我們的農業就業人口數大概將近五十萬,然後四十九萬四千幾個現在應該更加四十八萬貴賓那其中啊,大概佔我國總就業人數都差不多四八多啦但是我其中 |
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政府很關心農民 照顧農民所以我們從2021年我們就制定農民退休金的除息條例但是我看實施以來我們最近的這個提繳人數逐月的降低啦我給你看這個曲線啊然後各位 倒立我們這個農民退休除金的提繳人數啊好像參與人數可能會越來越少啦 |
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到底是怎麼回事呢?缺乏誘因呢?還是說我們是不是應該,政府可以努力安裝來提供農民晚餘來參與退休儲金提交的意願?因為我們目的是要補充農民的生活嘛,以及最重要就是吸引年輕人投入啦我們現在的親農人數大概有多少? |
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我們福島有關的都是7萬人左右7萬人左右我另外一個數字給部長當參考就是說很多人他要到農藥陣營其實有可能是勞工有可能在別的職場工作所以目前有參與勞保的農民大概有4萬3900多人就是說這些人是勞保但是他現在從事的是 |
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農業過去參與其他的職業有了保全心很多人就因為他捨不得勞保所以就沒有來參加我們的 |
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農民退休儲蓄啦 你知道這個總共嗎?我了解 我真的很感謝喔 就是委員提出這個觀察啦這個觀察真的非常重要 就是說我們現在有很多青農喔 大家有一半是假期從事勞工的但是因為勞工做了一段時間不做了從事農業 但是又捨不得放棄 |
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這個保溫完全沒有保障,我們現在農業處境完全不能加保啦,不能加保所以我以為這樣說的話,這個部分我們要能夠解決了以後,才能夠讓這個覆蓋率能夠拉高對,因為你現在這個農民健康保險條例第五條你就知道了 |
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第三條就是參與農民的退休儲蓄必須要有農報這條就白紙在這裡 農報就不行了更何況你第五條也寫到了 你要參與農民儲蓄保險 |
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必須為領取相關的社會保險來領取付啦他這兩條白紙的齁所以這過去啊總是農業進行在白的政府的在白的行業的他是臣服勞保的他就不敢放棄啊你這樣他也不行啦他一定要放棄才可以來參加農民退休出去嘛所以當然就槓給他的議員嘛不然你如果知道這個情形 |
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那我是覺得農業部應該要想辦法來處理對 謝謝委員關心那這個部分第一個就是要去修法我們也同意委員的這個看法就是說我們青農的主力有一半是曾經是保勞保的部分然後我們可以設計他勞保繼續保因為他是用自營工作者但是他可以加入農民退休儲金 |
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那這樣的話他以後的保障會更多的時候他就有意願來繼續從事農業啦那這個部分如果委員支持我想我們會盡快的去在版本裡面去提出來配套因為你如果不修法你就抵觸了政府要發展輕農 |
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對 輕點返鄉從事農業的這樣的一個政策方向你這個如果不讓這個勞保跟農民退休儲蓄來脫鉤的話你不脫鉤的話 這個問題就會存在所以我們這個我們會來處理 |
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從博德醫界處理喔 你家這個人數啊 我掌握的人數啊目前有勞保 但是他從事農業的應該有將近4萬4千 4萬幾人欸 對喔 好不好 這個博文加我們請 部長如果有支持 那我們農業部應該盡速來修改相關的規範我跟委員報告喔 我們現在已經有安排跟行政院報告 |
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農民稅有儲金的包括委員也有提案的這個1.5的部分還有一些我們的想法包括您剛才講的這個東西我們把它變成一個完整的方案來爭取行政院的支持這樣好好 抱歉先夠了謝謝主席好 謝謝現在請呂毅林委員做詢答 |
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謝謝主席 請陳部長我剛延伸我們林委員剛剛講問的 |
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有勞保的人沒有辦法投農保因為我們只能一個保公保、勞保跟我們的農保就只能選擇一個那有勞保的人可以來申請農民退休儲金嗎?現在也不行不行嗎?那你剛剛說你要研議你答應靈魂要研議我不懂你要怎麼研議啊我們這樣講喔 |
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老保如果他還是有受僱於人的話是由他們的僱主去提領嘛那剛才我講的就是說有一些年輕人他可能二十幾歲到三十歲之間他是在公司服務沒有錯 |
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他原來是有在公司服務他投了勞保但是他勞保之後他又轉做我們的親農你轉做親農之後的話你就不在公司工作了嗎還是同時有在公司工作職業公會那就是要選擇性只能一個保嗎只能一個保嗎可以雙重保險嗎不可以對不對他一個保但是他可以加入農民職業資金他又投勞保來加入農民的退休儲金可以這樣子 |
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可以修法就可以了修法對那因為我們知道說我們有公保跟勞保的部分的話可以分開計算合併給付但是你要選擇性的你第一個階段的話如果是你是勞保後來你轉做公務人員的時候你就是沒有勞保了要改成公保 |
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被停掉一個才可以繼續另外一個但是你的年資可以繼續計算是這樣子才分開計算合併來給付但是你現在把勞保可以繼續保勞保那你又可以來申請農民的退休雛金我跟委員報告齁這樣子雙保啦不會 |
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老保退休金老保年金他不能領老保退休金他如果來加入我們農業退出儲金的話就不能老保退休金 |
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他可以保勞保不能領勞保退休金他可以來領農民的退休儲金法要修得清楚我也請部長到時候要講清楚不同的保險可以這樣子那當時我們是一個階段的勞保完畢下個階段是公保才可以分開計算合併給付你現在是同時有勞保又同時有農民退休這個儲金勞保對應的是農保啦他現在勞保就不能來保農保 |
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但是他在農保的時候他沒有雇主嘛而且他是實際從事農業你的意思是他繼續保勞保然後繼續又可以這邊申請農民的退休儲金所以是兩個不同的保險他一定要從事農業勞保對應的是農保然後勞工的退休儲金對應的是農民退休儲金那他勞保可以繼續保嗎勞保繼續保啊農民退休儲金繼續儲嗎我們可以開放他可以加入 |
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因為他實際從事農業這裡 這裡輕容一半喔 幾乎一半喔所以他可以做兩個工作投勞保是不是要有勞保的工作他是一個職業的工會去投保嘛職業工會 你在工會上你有等於說不管是你是個人的工作還是工作室 還是自由業反正你有投勞保的人 我跟委員說明一下喔像漁會 漁業的 從事漁業的有很多是勞保的喔很多是從事勞保 就是甲類會員的部分嘛 |
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同樣的修法講清楚因為本席今天不是問這問題只是這個延伸樓會有很多的爭議的地方會有雙保不是兩保並行會有衝突的地方所以一定要注意一定要注意今天我們主席特別安排了這個我們農民的退休儲金的部分就是因為你們的 |
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你們的執行率不好但是早上聽到委員聽到部長你特別有講到你有報告所以是母數的計算不一樣因為我們得到你們農業部給我們的資訊是28.7%的這個達成率那但是你的說母數不一樣你們達成了已經49%了那不要在數字上變化我們講實質確確的來執行的工作才是重要的 |
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那不管怎麼樣講未滿65歲他們的農保人數這在這邊是大概達成的還是28.7啦將近5年的時間了那部長講說大概他的原因就是意願的問題還有就是說他們的能力問題投不了這麼高如果說勞基法的話我們現在是28590他如果說是10%的話要2859元 |
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那有些人攪不起嘛所以他就沒有來投入那最重要還有一個問題就是他們的那個腦農津貼啊現在可以領多少錢8114元他也許說認為我8100塊夠了但是部長你們利益良善你希望他能夠一萬兩萬領多一點嘛所以希望他們的農民的這個退休儲金但是退休儲金的部分的話我們看到你的沒有達成執行率不彰的情況之下可能就是我們 |
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提出的誘因不夠那當然我們有提到啦誘因要提高的話是不是你們對等這個提撥的金額可以提高甚至說可以1.5倍那部長說還要再研議嘛那這個研議的話我看你要下個月你就要提出來行政院版本了那你研議目前討論下來是不是願意支持這個方案 |
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不過我想基本上委員所提的版本是1比1.5是把總額提高就是農民出100我們政府出150從100變成150這是一個方案那我們也提到另外一個想法就是說總額不變100對100但是過去農民交100現在只要交80或70這個我們要討論就是說它的負擔減輕了保障不變那也有可能這兩個案子可以某個程度的融合融合的部分這是一個部分 |
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不管你怎麼融合農民的權益不能損失我絕對不會請你盡快提出來啦我們希望實質的來幫助農民不要讓農民覺得很辛苦的話就不耕農了因為現在青年要返鄉去雇農的話這個情況也不是很好 |
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所以我們在地方上才會成立這個青農把我們做代耕的工作不用再交給電農由青農來做青農組團來做不管是耕種或是收割青農都有專業的包括還有科技智慧的技術都有來協助我們這部分的話也請部長要繼續支持我們的青農像尤其農機具這個部分就要支持他們他們有用無人機來灑農藥或是用機械來收成這部分都非常的好 |
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我們農機的農事服務業現在推的也還不錯包括您桃園那邊有很多大的專業農來申請農機的服務所以除了他自己耕作以外他還服務別人所以我們農耕可以改善他的辛苦可以用科技上的一些技術跟設備來幫忙這點部分的話我們也希望部長能繼續支持他們可以加強在農機具方面好不好 |
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好 接下來要請教的就是我們的移工的問題那現在我知道你們移工的人數有提高到2萬這2萬的話我們看看我們申請的制度上需不需要來檢討因為還很多人請不到這個農事的移工那尤其是說你們在這個小型的10人以下的跟我們的農企業的部分的話本勞跟外勞是1比1嘛對 本勞跟 |
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移工是1比1 一個本勞就可以請一個移工那食人以上的小型農戶才會有35%但是現在還是缺很多移工 |
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那部長你知道這個原因嗎我想第一個部分第一個部分就是移工申請來了以後的品項有的品項有開有的品項沒開那這個部分我們會滾動檢討第二個部分就是移工請來以後不是那麼單純白天做事晚上就讓他亂跑你如果自己自營的話你就要準備他的房子還要做一些管理吃住的地方對吃住的地方所以我們現在有請 |
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那個農會去協助變成一個外展的部分那這個部分我們會加強還有一個就是移工那時候外展的部分只能在同一個縣市嘛有時候我們收割的時候是有跨縣市的從南到北所以我們在研議就是跨縣跨區跨區的部分所以很多問題就是我們遇到了我們就想辦法去解決讓農民來這個我想我們會持續來滾動檢討 |
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| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
OK 部長你剛剛提到了外展你知道外展的特性是什麼嗎外展的特性就是它的技術 你喜歡講技術 外展的技術是什麼沒有 它會根據你的用工的單位本身所需要的勞力的種植生產的技術所以會不一樣會用農漁會來做申請嘛用農漁會 為什麼用農漁會申請 |
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14726.018 |
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14745.423 |
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沒有 合作社也可以啊合作社也可以那因為部長你剛才談到少了一個問題我們很多的農作是季節性的是所以如果你請這個移工的話我不需要12個月都在做事是好 也許做三個月 休三個月做三個月 休三個月有這種情形所以很多 |
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14748.504 |
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14765.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
小戶的那個農戶的話他們也許用電農幫忙耕作就可以了那現在電農工資上漲了2000塊以上他們有時候收成起來又比例上的話覺得收入不好也沒有辦法做就會影響到他們請電農的 |
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14767.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
14780.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
意願所以就辦休耕就有休耕期發生那現在你有這兩個制度方面的話那因為原額的話你剛剛提了高到兩萬那這兩萬裡面的話但是你又不是實質的數量 |
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14781.96 |
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14801.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
又不是實質的數量 本席有查了一些資料齁看到你們那個 這個原額 我們第一個講到這個原額不夠還有你的制度 1對1的就是外展部分跟10人以下的部分 是1比1的方式那你如果說是10人以上的部分的話是35%但是這原額還是不夠 遠遠還是不夠因為有些的是屬於大戶的農戶嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
14807.199 |
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14836.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
他有些的外銷的他做多的有機蔬菜或者是他有什麼水果大量要出口的他農業的一些移工就還是不夠所以制度上你必須要去做調整喔那還有說你增加到兩萬人那本期查了一些資料喔這兩萬人裡面現有的這個移工喔一萬一千兩百零五人失聯的有兩千零一十九人輸出的有三百八十五人回國的回去他們國家的回國的有一千五百三十三人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
14849.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
為什麼要把他們算在兩萬人以內他已經四年轉出會回國啦我們現在要講限職部分我們要提高到兩萬人啊我跟委員報告喔您這個資訊就是勞動部都是用累計的啦用累計的部分像回國的就扣掉了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
14854.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
14882.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
必須要扣掉 肥農一定會扣掉 轉出也會扣掉就是實際在從事農業的我們才會去算現在大概是一萬五千多人一萬五千多人我們核准是兩萬人 但是有申請然後正在申請的 現在在職的在職大概一萬五千多人所以後續跟委員講的這個部分包括移工的部分 季節性的部分所以為什麼我們要找農會因為農會可以服務更多的不同的農作物的產業所以 |
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14884.252 |
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14901.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
不是啊 我剛剛跟你講的制度面就是要討論到農會的部分農會如果他的員工50人他的隊長就可以申請50人但是你在這個區域裡面的話這50個人他還不夠用啊沒有 所以我要去想辦法去爭取他現在是1比3嘛想辦法變成1比2這樣的話他就可以聘的更多 |
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| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
有1比2不是1比1嗎沒有1比1是10人以下就是1比1那你比例怎麼調你1比2怎麼調的我們希望說更多他可以有本勞一個人可以顧兩個是所以這個還沒有公布實施沒有我們這個要去爭取 |
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14920.586 |
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14939.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
所以未來你會公布實施所以你也發現問題了所以你要做個調整對不對這樣的話他可以聘更多人那部長有發現這個問題的話趕快做調整來公布讓我們的農民可以繼續把我們的農作物做得更好好不好農民權益一定要捍衛的請委員支持啦好一定會支持你做調整出來盡快送來好不好好謝謝 |
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14967.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
现在请林楚英委员做询答林楚英委员不在林楚英委员不在现在请赖会员委员做询答赖会员委员赖会员委员不在现在请徐新颖委员做询答徐新颖委员徐新颖委员不在现在请苏星泉委员做询答苏星泉委员苏星泉委员不在现在请何兴纯委员做询答何兴纯委员何兴纯委员不在现在请罗明才委员做询答罗明才委员罗明才委员不在 |
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14968.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
14987.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
登記發言委員除不在場外其餘經理發言完畢詢答結束書面質詢和為及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會本日議程詢答完畢謝謝大家散會另外折期再繼續審查 |