iVOD / 167105

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IVOD_ID 167105
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167105
日期 2026-01-14
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-01-14T10:53:29+08:00
結束時間 2026-01-14T11:03:39+08:00
影片長度 00:10:10
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委員名稱 徐巧芯
委員發言時間 10:53:29 - 11:03:39
會議時間 2026-01-14T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 第11屆第4會期第3次全院委員會「對總統提出彈劾案」公聽會(第1場)(事由:第11屆第4會期第3次全院委員會「對總統提出彈劾案」公聽會(第1場))
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 主席各位學者專家各位立委同仁還有媒體朋友們以及收看直播的全體國人同胞大家好今天呢是第一場的對總統彈劾的公聽會那我想呢我們應該要進入到最本質就是彈劾的要件是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 破壞憲政的秩序權力的分立有重大的濫權跟失職或者是背離了他作為一個總統應該要遵守的憲政界線這都不是有一條刑法寫在那裡但是卻可能能夠構成彈劾的一個重大理由
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 好 那雖然呢 我舉另外一個例子給大家聽喔雖然 市長並不是總統他的彈劾的方式不一樣但是我們對彈劾的精神基本是一致的
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 舉一個最好的例子賴清德總統自己本身就被彈劾過他當初被彈劾的時候是作為台南市的市長一百零四年合字第十號在二零一五年的時候台南市長任內兩百多天在市議會開會時間拒不列席議會曾經被彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 第二件事情今天很多包含我們學者專家立法委員都談到了各國各國對於不附屬的憲政意涵可是我們也要注意到中華民國是一個五權分立的國家我們的憲法在經過多次的增修條文的改變之後你難以與世界上另外一個國家做完全百分之百的對比
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 而附屬權他是要來制衡哪一位是制衡立法院嗎還是制衡總統呢剛剛有幾位學者專家針對這個部分講得非常清楚我就不再做贅述了
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 總統府的秘書長潘孟安先生曾經在國會被尋的時候非常清楚的表明立法院通過的法律他們是一定得行政院是一定得附屬的 否則會打臉賴清德 賴總統
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 這是總統府的秘書長潘孟安先生在我們他在備詢的時候親口所說的所以總統府自己就非常清楚的認知到附屬權今天要制衡的對象其實是總統而不是立法院
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 那既然你都知道了那為什麼後續還要利用附屬權來去做政治上面的攻防來去做對立法院的處處的執軸這個就是我們認為非常不合理違反憲政的分立的地方當然也就是彈劾的理由
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 還有很多其他的例子我舉一個我個人特別在乎的例子在軍人待遇條例的三讀法案修正之後我想問問大家剛才好多的學者們都說了如果今天按照我們國家的憲政體制立法院三讀通過的法律行政院認為有摯愛難行之處的時候他要提出什麼剛才大家都說了叫做復議
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 我請問大家回去看看軍人待遇條例當初行政院有提出附議嗎有嗎沒有反過來說我們是不是可以解讀為行政院並不認為軍人待遇條例的修正案有至愛難行之處那為什麼總統在簽了總統令之後
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 其實附屬也都附屬了行政院卻拒不執行也並無編列任何的預算然後呢就這樣子送進了一份違法不合法的預算進來要求立法院要審查而賴清德賴總統竟然作為幫兇要求立法院審查這一份並不合法的預算
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 今天吧 還昨天 還去計算了天數說 哎呀 已經幾百多天了作為一個三軍統帥當你的總統令已經蓋在上面讓所有我們16萬的國軍弟兄都知道三獨通過的法律要上路了
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 我們這一年當中的官校史上第一次招滿超收這對國家來說本來是大好事一件在少子女化的現代社會當中我們都擔心沒有人要從軍兩岸關係如此的惡化兵凶戰危賴清德總統說中共2027年要準備武統台灣
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 那請問如果我沒有人來做軍人的話那誰來保家衛國可是這樣子一份帶著好意的能夠提高待遇以至於優秀的人才被留下來不適合的人才可以太除的法案卻在行政院以及總統作為一個三軍統帥者
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 的一個干涉之下拒不編列預算不執行相關法律我想在權力分立的任何一個國家當中立法單位只有僅僅一個要求最基本的要求是要求行政機關應該要依法行政
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 如果今天行政机关连依法行政都做不到而在我国的制度里面行政院长又是由总统来提名的总统竟然为虎作仓那他当然符合了我们今天要弹劾他的要件这就是一个重大的违师以及呢他破坏了权力的分离
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 他或許是間接的破壞了權力的分立但是在我國的政治體制裡面作為一個總統破壞憲政秩序破壞權力分立最簡單的方式是透過他所任命的行政院長來做這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 所以哪怕是總統站出來批評卓榮泰院長告訴他你不應該這麼做當初沒有提出復議代表你沒有認為有摯愛男性之處三讀通過的法律應該要依法行政哪怕是賴清德總統他表個態今天都不至於影響這麼大可是賴總統有嗎他對於這些日子以來行政院
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 不依法行政的種種惡質的行為 他有過批評嗎不僅沒有 他還站在卓榮泰院長的這一邊啊所以今天 為什麼我們彈劾的對象叫做賴清德總統按照我國的體制 今天就算是倒閣了卓榮泰院長下台了 還有千千萬萬個卓榮泰
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 還有千千萬萬個九龍泰啊說不定更糟糕啊說不定對於權力的分立對於憲法的體制破壞的更嚴重啊所以因為行政院長是由總統來任命的所以我們今天彈劾的對象
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 我們今天針對所謂的重大的圍屍破壞權力分立的真正的始作俑者就是賴清德賴總統所以我們才要把他視為彈劾的對象而且並有充足的理由從不合法的送進預算再到鼓勵不附屬打臉自己都是我們要彈劾他的具體理由謝謝