| IVOD_ID |
167094 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167094 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-26,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-12T15:23:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-12T15:29:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ab52049cf0a1ce04569624ed5a759b2307671192a7c66aa8783db7b02922c304159dd19c61a0ed75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:23:02 - 15:29:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、財政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「臺灣未來帳戶特別條例草案」案。） |
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麻煩請部長謝謝 請市部長 |
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今天大家討論兒童未來帳戶實際上衛福部本來也有一個線型的做法民進黨我看很多委員好像也說他們要一個做法在野黨也有一個做法我來跟這個部長請教一下其中差異第一個我先請問一下現在目前衛福部的做法是針對比較弱勢的家庭對不對一比一的方式要家長 |
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提撥然後政府相對基金先問一下甚至一定要家長有我們才會提撥嘛如果針對一些譬如說有一些我隨便舉例民間基金會譬如說家福基金會他們認養的一些孤兒然後他可能家長沒有提撥的這個部分你們有照顧到嗎那個安置而造我們有納入的安置那是誰幫他們出這筆錢 |
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角路的錢縣市政府我們現在那個都是縣市政府列管的那個安置的額少那就是由縣市政府撥中央我們也會有 |
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所以他們是直接縣政府就一律提撥因為你的你原本現金做法是可以選擇嘛有好幾種金額嘛五百一千一千二所以縣市政府針對那些我剛講比如說家福基金會他們照顧的孤兒然後縣市政府是支出多少是五百還是一千還是一千二 |
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剛剛您提的那個是我們有分成是政府安置的跟這個民間的政府監護的才算我剛剛講民間嘛我現在是確認因為就沒有嘛對嘛所以今天你那個部長你這邊在反對在野黨提出來的兒童外障其實你有一個依據你有一個立論基礎啦是講說你應該把資源用來照顧弱勢嘛但實際上你弱勢有一大塊你沒有照顧到啊 |
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這個我們可以來檢查所以就並沒有達到你當初你的政策目標嘛這第一件事情那第二件事情是你的帳戶其實很多家長沒有加入嘛對不對那個比例是蠻高的嘛那我相信你也很知道原因嘛因為很多家長覺得說他的錢本來就不夠用還去存這個東西 |
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所以並沒有達到照顧弱勢反而我覺得你這個政策應該從另外一個角度思考啦就是從解決少子化或者是讓比如說小朋友那個從小培養理財概念然後到他可以有他的比如說一個一畢業就有一筆錢讓他可以應用無後顧之憂從這個角度來思考這個政策應該要怎麼擴大啊你就可以考慮在黨版本嘛那我看民進黨的立委 |
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有一個委員開記者會我是沒有看到具體的內容但是記者會他就是說他也是要擴大不是只有針對弱勢嘛是大家都可以參加嘛對不對但他也是採用1比1就是相對激進的做法然後用ETF的方式 |
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那一開始這個民進黨立委會公佈的時候我看到媒體的報導政府單位是樂觀齊成的是覺得委員的想法不錯 |
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怎麼到在野黨提出一個類似的也是類似版本只是說在野黨為什麼沒有要求說要相對基金是因為就是考慮到如果有一些家長他不願意加入的話那就剝奪了小朋友參加的權利嘛結果忽然間部長又有意見說沒有裁員又一大堆拒絕的理由說會排擠掉弱勢 |
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那為什麼民進黨的委員提的就不會排擠弱勢國民黨或是藍白立委提的黨團版本就會排擠弱勢我就不懂這個標準到底是到底差異性在哪裡啊過去所有的版本我們大概都在評估啦 |
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並沒有說支持哪一個一定反對哪一個都在評估但是以我們的政策上是以弱勢優先的考量我們目前是先就我們現有的這個帳戶呢如何來擴大這個適用的對象然後提高它的那個覆蓋率然後讓它更有效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
273.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
295.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
從這個地方先檢討至於說比較普惠性的那個也是一種選擇但是我們就要衡量我們現在的財政能夠負荷的哪一個的急迫性又比較重要那麼就在前面先做所以你看有兩件事情第一件事你一直強調說是對弱勢的照顧可是要不是藍白有提出這樣一個未來帳戶的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
297.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
322.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
你其實也沒有去檢討說你們這幾年來執行這個弱勢兒童的未來帳戶實際上參與率應該沒有達到你的預期嘛但是一直沒有去做出一些精進的做法包括剛剛問的嘛如果是被民間收養的這些孤兒他們也沒有權利加入啊所以你都沒有注意到這一塊如果今天要不是召委排這樣的一個詢答的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
323.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
349.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
可能對於你之前的帳戶都有在研究啦有在研究但沒有改進嘛有在研究沒有改進啊第二件事情就是我剛講的你說各種版本你們都會仔細評估可是民進黨立委提的喔你們就覺得不錯啊可以來討論啊樂觀其成啊然後藍白提的你們就是說哎呀那個裁員在哪裡啊會不會排擠到這個現有的預算啊會不會影響到對弱勢的照顧啊喔這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
350.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
371.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
講法就南圓北側我希望衛福部如果說你要針對這個因為後續還會有公聽會還會有進一步的討論嘛要一視同仁啦就事論事啦對啊就事論事好不好同一個標準幾個版本喔衝擊財務的衝擊也各自不同那今天這個版本的衝擊算是最大 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
373.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
392.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
那你有看到別人的版本嗎有有有之前的幾位委員的版本他的有的是沒有這個開戶金啦他只是每年的相對提撥所以他一年的預算衝擊有限那但是今天這個版本因為又有一個這個開戶金所以這個大家可以討論嘛討論嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
395.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
404.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
但是我覺得不要因為不同政黨你們的回應就不一樣了然後弱勢的照顧也要做到位啦好不好好謝謝 |