| IVOD_ID |
167075 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167075 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-15,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-12T11:48:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-12T11:56:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ab52049cf0a1ce04bd7bc936635dce98a817aa92b948b9c603d53f4e9015297c7e4384474ecec015ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:48:57 - 11:56:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「反滲透法增訂第六條之一條文草案」案。二、審查委員陳冠廷等19人擬具「反滲透法增訂第十一條之一條文草案」案。三、審查委員林岱樺等18人擬具「反滲透法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。四、審查委員黃捷等16人擬具「反滲透法第四條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員沈伯洋等18人擬具「反滲透法增訂第六條之二條文草案」案。六、審查委員王美惠等18人擬具「反滲透法部分條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「反滲透法部分條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「反滲透法第三條、第四條及第五條條文修正草案」案。九、審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「反滲透法第五條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員林宜瑾等20人擬具「反滲透法第二條、第九條之一及第九條之二條文修正草案」案。【僅詢答】） |
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麻煩請陸委會陸委會 副主委委員好副主委好 我想問一下如果我們國人在國外去譬如說歐洲然後他要辦理退稅然後因為店員寫錯了國碼把我們台灣的國碼寫成了中國大陸的國碼 |
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那這個應該不會是陸委會業務如果要宣導的話應該是政府應該哪個機關去宣導國馬就是因為他寫錯國馬早知道不能退稅啦那所以 |
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應該要告訴我們國人說如果以後到了歐洲到其他國家去假設要申請退稅的話在對方的店員在填國法之後你要仔細看不要說因為填錯了害你之後退稅你覺得這個應該要我直覺應該可能是外交部或觀光署應該跟陸委會沒有關係 |
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那這個應該如果國人在國外面臨到這樣的狀況政府如果多多宣導的話可以降低國人旅遊的困擾嘛我覺得這個事情也是應該要做了最近又發現一件事情就是有一個網紅叫叫鍾明軒他因為自己就遇到我剛剛講的狀況他去歐洲啦然後因為就是電源的國馬寫成中國大陸的所以他就沒辦法退稅然後他就提醒大家他就發了一個文說 |
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各位親愛的旅遊的好朋友如果出國的話 遇到這個狀況要特別注意其實這個應該是一個好事吧結果民進黨不分區立委啊 郭育琴啊就去酸他 說沒事中國人 有事台灣人好像那個郭育琴講的中國人 講的應該是 |
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他的中國應該指的是中華人民共和國應該不會是中華民國 對吧聽起來 語意上 對吧那就跑去酸他我是想問一下 就是我不知道因為中民宣我不知道民進黨的立委是怎麼認定中民宣是中華人民共和國的人我不知道他怎麼認定的可能是中民宣最近比較常是不是有去中國大陸他可能有去拍了一些影片在網路上面有受到爭議對 我其實就是想要問 |
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副主委啦 因為我們陸委會為什麼會存在是根據兩岸人民關係條例嘛那其實某種程度上也要促進兩岸的關係啦那現在如果有我們的國人到大陸去也許他覺得那邊的風景不錯或者是他想宣揚一些東西拍些影片就直接被認定是中華人民共和國的人我覺得這樣子的帽子扣太大那這樣以後誰還敢去對岸旅遊然後去對岸旅遊誰還敢 |
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說哎呀這個風景不錯啊哪裡很好玩什麼東西很好吃你樂見這樣狀況嗎 |
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我覺得單純的拍影片當然不構成問題啦但是現在問題就是說中共他們有很明確的就是說針對台灣的網紅有做一系列的拉攏 扶植 培育的動作這個要證據啦沒有錯這要證據啦那現在所以周明軒現在還在爭議之中嗎那個副主委給你報告如果有爭議就不會爭議了啦其實那個時候 那時候那個 |
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跟民進黨很好的網紅什麼八九閩南郎有剪一支影片然後裡面就提到海峽島海峽什麼島報講說他可以找周明軒後來其實最後被證明那個閩南郎也證明說那個其實經過剪接啦對方媒體根本不認識周明軒所以很多訊息都很片段而且是經過錯假資訊的認知作戰然後那如果在這種情況之下就直接給人家扣一個帽子說他去旅遊 |
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然後他去怎麼樣他就是中國人中華人民共和國人所以我真的覺得真的沒有必要到這樣的一個地步那當然你講的如果說有被刻意怎麼樣怎麼樣怎麼樣違法的當然大家也都覺得不能接受可是沒有沒有證據直接扣帽子這樣子好嗎而且這種氛圍也影響到國內因為我們國內現在以前也發生過應該是陸配吧當Uber司機可能他講話中國口音中國大陸的口音 |
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馬上就輕咬就說好可怕啊 國安問題啊怎麼連計程車都有國安問題那這是代表說任何只要 |
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從大陸來的不管他是嫁過來的或是娶台灣的老婆來這邊最後定居取得身份他都有他都第五縱隊嗎我不知道陸委會陸委會應該也要我們陸委會對於所有來台灣的陸配我們都是長期以來都是處於一種照顧協助的如果是我們當然支持一定要照顧協助可是現在社會的氛圍是這樣就是很多人刻意散佈這種錯假的資訊嘛 |
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然後你好像只要講話是中國口音中國大陸口音你就你就有問題如果你 |
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你是站在照顧陸配的角度我覺得對於這樣的一個不好的氛圍你們應該是時候也要出來講一些話陸委會該講話的時候就會講啊譬如說上一次那個張文的事情有人就說什麼他的父母是陸配還是什麼這樣子那這個陸委會就立刻會出來澄清那就是結果了那個就是說因為發生重大事件陸委會陸委會就會出來澄清可是這種氛圍是慢慢慢慢累積的 |
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就是平常的時候可能有類似狀況就要出來講話而不是說等到像這麼重大事件因為那個張文的事件是發生這麼嚴重的事情還有人要來操作這個事情當然你們必須要出來講話那是非常非常嚴重可是這種氛圍其實是 |
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逐漸累積的在台灣的社會在蔓延當中但是我有可能也要了解一下他逐漸累積的根源其實是因為大家對於對岸的一些作為不是啦 也有很多錯假的去想他會有一個反效果出來就像我剛講的嘛 怎麼連連陸配 可能陸配開計程車都要被汙名化說是不是第五縱隊類似這樣啦開計程車這個我覺得不應該啦還有一個啦 就是像我 |
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我在前年的時候我去亞洲啊我去馬來西亞參加一個台商年會嘛那時候我剛好遇到海基會的人 |
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海基會就帶台商大陸的台商去馬來西亞去做那個交流可見其實海基會陸委會對於照顧大陸台商也是你們工作職責之一嘛是然後結果在黨的立委去參加台商活動直接就被抹紅成去接受任務而且是完全沒有任何證據情況之下網路上也是超多這種錯假訊息我是我是因為主席站起來我是覺得說如果今天大家討論反滲透反滲透當然不應該 |
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不是 滲透啦 不應該啦要怎麼樣 該怎麼樣 再怎麼樣可是正常的交流或者是正常的一些生活真的不應該無限上綱到什麼都不紅的這樣這其實才是造成社會對立的一大根源啦我希望說陸委會可以幫忙啦消除這樣的一個氛圍啦是 |
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我們該講話的時候就會講話這絕對沒有問題但是現在就是說整個社會因為中共對我們的壓力和一些軍事作為實在是越來越來越感受到越深所以它會有這樣的一些反應出來但是你們還是可以做一些事是是是好 謝謝 |