| IVOD_ID |
167065 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167065 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-15,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-12T10:11:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-12T10:24:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ab52049cf0a1ce08bf6b3a12bac5d0b8a817aa92b948b9c603d53f4e901529776aa520af6b9da4e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:11:12 - 10:24:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「反滲透法增訂第六條之一條文草案」案。二、審查委員陳冠廷等19人擬具「反滲透法增訂第十一條之一條文草案」案。三、審查委員林岱樺等18人擬具「反滲透法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。四、審查委員黃捷等16人擬具「反滲透法第四條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員沈伯洋等18人擬具「反滲透法增訂第六條之二條文草案」案。六、審查委員王美惠等18人擬具「反滲透法部分條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「反滲透法部分條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「反滲透法第三條、第四條及第五條條文修正草案」案。九、審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「反滲透法第五條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員林宜瑾等20人擬具「反滲透法第二條、第九條之一及第九條之二條文修正草案」案。【僅詢答】） |
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主席,我們這裡內政常事、中選會、大陸委員會兩副主委 |
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在這裡我先跟你們探討一下我們自國委裁判的時候我們兩副組委在記者會的時候有講到一句話 |
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強行中國會介入我們10億的選舉會更加嚴重我要跟副主委說這不是強行而已強行這兩個人可能要站住了這是每一次選舉的時候中國一定會介入的在這個過程當中說實在 |
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我們不要說沒良心的話啦 大家的選舉也這樣 總統選舉也這樣 立委選舉也這樣 官司長選舉也是這樣 |
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這都是越來越糟糕了沒有今天一個反滲透法 有人說這又修改沒幾年 又一百公九年 修了到現在也比較六年了還要修什麼 因為施工配件沒工 攝氈也沒工啊 |
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將來對中華民國的台灣的打壓尤其選舉的時候那種概念是非常嚴重為什麼今天我會講到這氣氛 |
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因為這個選舉 如果有阿強這個陸執來處理的位好的人才 全北省的學位都沒有辦法出頭去啦主要你可以聽阿強的位 聽阿強要什麼給他什麼他就可以來迫害台灣民主自由國家的選舉啦 |
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在這個過程當中我是怎麼會說叫中選會開因為大家這次我們的想法就是說我們如果去選委員會那邊去那叫做好選人現在我們的正義就是以候選人在這個過程當中我相信 |
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很多所在包括選舉的包括管議員、市議員現在都已經在做法了中學會你們知道嗎?副主委你們知道嗎?現在到目前為止是大家都在做法這要怎麼去認定? |
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他現在的活動,他現在的錢,你們要怎麼去認定,要怎麼認定這個好選人,你們要怎麼認定,萬一他說,哇,事態太嚴重了,這樣他不敢去中選會定期,也有的 |
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那有的你如果沒差別,有這個犯案在他那時候,他是越做越糗來,總選委你回答我們是說這樣,是你要怎麼去拿這兩個的問題出來,來別說 |
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公職選罷法就候選人他並沒有這個定義性的一個規定但是公職選罷法就競選活動的規制他有規定幾個這個期間啦一個比如說選舉公告發布後比如說就民調的規制或是說這個選務人員在選舉公告發布後不能從事一些違反選務中立的一些情形有一些 |
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競選活動期間就是投票日前10日那從這樣子的規定的一個期間然後來就這個個案的一個事實來認定他的行為是不是有違規說實在的啦 今天要九十輪輸啦沒你啦 本席回答這樣喔本席的大聲啦 你他們就回去啦 |
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我們是要如何做好滲透法我還不知道選舉10天前要做什麼你說的是現在的進行式我們是想說未來的選舉有機會今年11月要選舉是要如何去處理候選人及候選人在這個過程當中 |
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我問一下,你可不可以幫一下馬智偉小姐馬智偉小姐,她在2023年發生她如果去生我們2024年,如果她跌的時間多久呢?如果她跌一次,我們跟她,因為我們有掌握她拿到阿公的錢 |
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在這個過程中,我就是要說,你們要怎麼去認定?我還不知道選舉10天前不能做什麼,選舉要做什麼?這也就是說,三位你們也知道,現在是要怎麼樣?你們去議訪,要去記念那11個禮拜 |
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要怎麼處理還要緊啊你認為 大家也一樣 剛好選人的時候 選舉之後 甘愛乖乖 甘愛不選舉的時候來聽阿強的 聽阿強的字給我們 這是嚴重啦 |
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包委員這個可能跟這個有意參選的這個候選人他可能有一些是涉及反滲透法的刑事責任的規定那這個剛剛就是法務部可能檢察官的一個權責那有些可能是賄選或是等等那有一些如果是涉及行政違規的部分那這是選務機關的一個權責 |
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所以在這裡我知道因為我們每一行有每一行他們的責任在哪裡這次你們的選委員會的時候也要去注意這個不是你如果我本身回答說港澳電機要十天你的未來你自己也要做得好對不對大家一分錢收出來是每一單位都可以啦這些的問題犯罪的問題來講解啦 |
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不然大家在這裡開這要做什麼反滲透法對中華民國的台灣是非常重要的不是要捨棄什麼人的自由啦在剛才我跟你們說的在台灣這件事我們大家都看得一清二楚這是要害台灣的在這裡面我們要跟我們 |
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內政有次長說到說我們有款滲透法破壞社會秩序的範圍當中啦有的是海課啦 有的是什麼啦來 我們司法部來 司法部主席拜託給我一點時間 抱歉 |
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來 蘇阿布 本席要跟你說因為大家的時間都有一點本席要說像現在的選舉如果在網路在那裡說的有的沒的大家的風態跟很多人中的跟之前的政府都不一樣跟人也沒有對比這要怎麼處理蘇阿布 |
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是副處長嗎來請副處長回應主席說明這個如果是在相關言論我們在個別的法規都有相關法規處理那抒發部會在技術的部分協助各個部會處理這樣的問題來 本席的來賓 |
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他今年會在外面選舉那有人在網路說跟這個就等久以來就都在報廣場還要選什麼議員 要選什麼管理長還在網路這樣跑的時候你要如何去做來來 蘇阿布要怎麼去擋路來 要怎麼去處理 要怎麼去訂車來 |
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報告員這個部分我們可能會跟相關選舉事務負責的單位共同來研究他來研究要研究多久人研究以後一個好的人才跟剛才研究以後跟一個好的人才就算了跟這個就算了 |
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所以我們要時間,不是說你還有事情要簽上簽上,跟人家一過禮拜過,那個人家就算了啦但你給他的時候,是要你一過禮拜的時候,那都不好啦 |
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報告委員 這個網路的部分我們一直都有在跟各個部會進行那這部分面臨接下來沒有啦 之前還沒有實際去做沒有時間 觀念去查好了啦到目前現在 從安委開始算的 還在他就這樣廢課 亂來亂去啦所以這個 我很愛處理 |
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要願意你回去研究的時間拜託一禮拜的時間給我再來我問我們內政部部長在這裡面如果對我們中華民國有損害他的組織政黨在長久以來都是替中華的公衛和大夥中華民國的台灣 |
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政府有提出再一檔嗎我想謝謝委員的指教我想那個有關目前政黨裡面大概有一個統促黨 |
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到現在目前為止你怎麼處理跟委員報告 董事長因為我們的審議委員會過了之後就是要送憲法法庭啦跟憲法法庭現在要怎麼處理憲法法庭目前委員的人數也不太夠對啊 重點就是這樣啊要處理跟憲法法庭 跟這個國家 這個委員會是要做什麼 |
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該做的 該派人的要處理就處理你什麼力量都沒關係 為了中華民國 如果不準 一定不會這樣嘛所以我們要去克服 可是你剛才跟我說的明明知道他有罪 明明知道他要解散了 但是我們沒有辦法解散 |
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因為社會法庭都要動筆啊是不是這樣來是啦齁 跟你們怎麼做跟委員報告齁 我想當然那個只要是違反政黨法相當規定 |
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那照程序我們會先召開審議會我知道啦 召開審議會後就是送憲法法庭啦憲法法庭要授禮跟審議現在就是我們要點啊點 我們要等 問啊問就是沒辦法繼續給他們亂 是不是這樣不然你還有什麼辦法可以處理的 |
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報告委員 我也只能尊重憲法法庭的運作啦謝謝 |