| IVOD_ID |
167058 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167058 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-15,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-12T09:06:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-12T09:11:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ab52049cf0a1ce0ab0f09259533af108a817aa92b948b9c603d53f4e9015297c0e5c612942c44225ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:06:05 - 09:11:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「反滲透法增訂第六條之一條文草案」案。二、審查委員陳冠廷等19人擬具「反滲透法增訂第十一條之一條文草案」案。三、審查委員林岱樺等18人擬具「反滲透法增訂第八條之一條文草案」案。四、審查委員黃捷等16人擬具「反滲透法第四條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員沈伯洋等18人擬具「反滲透法增訂第六條之二條文草案」案。六、審查委員王美惠等18人擬具「反滲透法部分條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「反滲透法部分條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「反滲透法第三條、第四條及第五條條文修正草案」案。九、審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「反滲透法第五條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員林宜瑾等20人擬具「反滲透法第二條、第九條之一及第九條之二條文修正草案」案。【僅詢答】） |
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謝謝主席提案委員在這裡向委員會報告也希望能夠儘速完成初步的審查能夠送出讓國家的安全跟相關的法制更加齊備第一個本席提案的說明是有關最低刑度的設立 |
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在目前的反渗透法第三条到第五条的条文罚则只有最高刑度没有最低刑度的规定那它会产生什么问题第一个我们要理解国家安全或者是所有相关的这些案件一旦产生对国家利益的伤害非常大 |
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但是執法機關不管是檢察官檢調調查局或者是警察在偵辦相關的國安案件的時候因為國安案件本身具有高度的隱密性還有牽涉到境外所以查辦是非常的不容易要達到起訴的門檻耗費的人力物力時間比一般刑事案件還要高昂如果沒有最低刑度的門檻 |
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輕易的給予罰金或緩刑結案會導致威脅的國家威脅的敵方滲透收買的成本呢這個非常低廉被抓到的代價又不大導致國家安全以及偵辦體系的疲於奔命所以我本席在提案我們在最高刑度並沒有調整但是應該加上最低門檻最低刑度讓涉犯 |
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傷害國家安全的相關的罪行有一個最起碼的處罰否則收買收了錢但是輕易的一顆罰金那仍然在台灣進行相關的腐蝕跟破壞那對於我們國家民主的基礎國家的保障其實是一個很大的傷害第二個提案呢是有關這個懸掛五星旗的部分我第一個要先言明我們在這個提案修法的 |
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幾個前提第一個經過主管機關所核准或者國際規範所允許比方說戲劇文化交流國際會議活動場所所懸掛威脅台灣的敵方的旗幟相關的標語並不在這個法律規範的限制 |
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法律规定的国际规范的申请许可的没有在这一个限制的范围第二个以他山之石别国的经验来看韩国的国安法是禁止悬挂北朝鲜的相关的旗帜那在美国现状来看如果你去悬挂ISIS恐怖主义的旗帜 |
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或者是甚至於是相關中東特定的旗幟境外去那邊讀書的人都有可能會被遣返所以就算是民主國家對於這些旗幟的懸掛都有一定為了保護社會保護民主的一個基本規範那以台灣來講我們的立法原由是以武力威脅我國或者武裝力量與我國對峙 |
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在陸海空軍刑法的第10條或者在我們刑法的徵修條文的我印象是115之一這樣子的對象列為敵國 |
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那這樣的敵對勢力對我們國家以軍事力量的騷擾威脅惡意非常明確卻時常以模糊意圖弱化我國人民的敵我意識以及弱化我國的防衛意志力來進行相關的滲透可以說是敵人的動作意志非常明確卻因為台灣是民主開放的社會因為種種滲透的作為導致這個界線的模糊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
250.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
264.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
又援引我們憲法徵修條文的第5條第5項第5條第5項裡面所講的是政黨的目的或行為危害中華民國之存在或自由民主憲政 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
266.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
280.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
這個秩序者違憲這是寫在憲法徵修條文第五條第五項這個條文裡面告訴我們在我們國家的憲法規範裡面就有對民主需要被防衛的憲法基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
281.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
304.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
所以民主這個體制在憲法徵修條文明定著有需要被防衛那所以根據這以上種種本席提出在公共場所懸掛或展示其代表標誌或旗幟者應取締之那相關的法則有寫在立法說明裡面希望這兩個徵修訂的條文能夠讓我們國家防衛的機制更齊備 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
310.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
329.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
讓台灣更安全國家安全跟國防是沒有政黨黨派跟族群的差別只有在國家安全的保障基礎下民主 政黨的競爭 經濟的發展才有它實質的依靠所以以上是本席的提案說明希望我們委員會能夠盡速通過 謝謝 |