| IVOD_ID |
167055 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167055 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-12T11:52:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-12T12:01:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ab52049cf0a1ce022eba5e1f74f0d8be6ea9f55fbd6b875603d53f4e90152979be7746c6163105b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:52:56 - 12:01:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請考試院秘書長、銓敘部部長、行政院人事行政總處人事長、內政部、教育部、行政院主計總處針對「立法院通過之警、消、公、教退休金改革法案之具體執行措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、繼續併案審查
（ㄧ）委員陳培瑜等16人擬具「刑事訴訟法第一百零一條之一條文修正草案」案。
（二）台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「刑事訴訟法第一百零一條之一條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員吳宗憲等22人擬具「刑事訴訟法第一百零一條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員吳宗憲等17人擬具「刑事訴訟法第四百零四條條文修正草案」案。
四、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「刑事訴訟法第九十三條及第一百零一條條文修正草案」案。
五、併案審查
（一）委員翁曉玲等20人擬具「刑事訴訟法第一百零八條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員林倩綺等21人擬具「刑事訴訟法第一百零八條條文修正草案」案。） |
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謝謝最美麗的召委來有請我們考試院劉建新秘書長還有我們權敘部施囊結施部長行政院人事總處我們張秋元副人事長還有部長我來請教一個問題 |
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我們公務人員請假的規則 這個第三條第一項第六款現行的規定配偶跟父母 貴姓企料 父母跟配偶死亡者傷假15天繼父母配偶的父母跟姪女死亡者給傷假10天然後曾祖父祖父母配偶的祖父母配偶的繼父母兄弟姊妹死亡者5天 |
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這個邏輯我不知道這個邏輯是怎樣我們一直在講說我們往上從己身所從出往上從己身所出後面的人說要走 慈禧學信北清書這個假有的十五天有的十天有的五天你們那個背後的思維跟邏輯到底是什麼痛苦 |
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對不對 應該是講痛苦啦 說啊 現在父母親死掉 一定會很痛苦可是現在小孩子死掉了 就不痛苦嘛配偶死了 多痛苦啦 我覺得這怎麼量化的問題怎麼去量化 那我都會覺得說這有點舊時代的一個思維啦你很難在現代社會裡面 家庭結構已經改變了那我們再去 你看本身的兄弟姊妹就變五天 |
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這好奇怪然後公務人員呢父母親死掉的是商架是15天那勞工的就變8天繼父母的部分呢跟配偶的父母子女死亡者10天勞工的部分呢又變6天這個既然是在講痛苦那這個痛苦為什麼會有這個我們先不談說公務人員跟勞工 |
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光這個公務人員體系裡面這個整個親疏之間痛苦的量化還有說可能辦喪事要很久可能有這樣的思維邏輯在這都我覺得很亂的是不是以現代社會的家庭的結構少子化你說父母親照顧小孩所以死掉要給他很多 |
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合理啊 我認為很合理啊因為父母親嘛 養我們的嘛可是有的人是父母親當然我們要孝順他可是像我們這個鄉下的父母親哪有時間教養我們都沒有啊 都要去工作啊都是阿公養我們啊那對我來講那個阿公反而要給他20天30天 |
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不是嗎 那現在社會家庭又改變了可能互相扶持 大家感情最好的你要講痛苦的話 搞不好兄弟姊妹那個死亡的話 應該是更痛苦啊所以你有沒有感覺啊這在剛才 婦人市長在這裡比如說 你的看法 我看你一直笑你的看法是怎麼樣 那個邏輯你不覺得這個應該做一個改變嗎 |
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這個題會牽扯到不同的比如說商場習俗家庭觀念現在社會家庭結構的改變的確會有委員講的那樣子就是他會有很多觀念可能過去定的規則現在看起來會有一點不完全合宜或者是邏輯上不完全一致 |
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所以我的意思就是每一個家庭結構每一個人對祖父母或對父母或對兄弟姊妹之間那一種感情那種感情大家感受會有所不一樣那這個思維就是在講痛苦那第二可能講說 |
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這麼親密的人死掉了 可能要自傷嘛自傷每一個人又不一樣 宗教別又不一樣有人兩天 有人三天 有人一個禮拜像我在鄉下 我父母親過世 我就給他一個月我就自己拿著那個父文 去告訴 通知我爸爸媽媽他們最好的朋友 說你再生的誰誰誰已經過世了讓他們知道 也是這樣子而已啊 |
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我拖一個月耶 我要三天全國這樣一直照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照照 |
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然後我們用舊時代的規章去把它做量化但這個量化出來 以現在來看到底合不合理我真的是存疑啦我真的是存疑啦六天 你說現在在家裡的保溫到三天而已啦你說配偶的 配偶的父母又是十天啦 又是十天啦這看起來我就覺得這個邏輯都很亂剛有辦法來做一個研議 來做一個 |
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好像比較跟上跟得上我也不敢說這樣就跟不上時代是不要讓他那麼混亂畢竟太久沒有去考慮這個問題啦這個我印象中這個請教規則你問我說哪一個幾天幾天說不上我也答不上我也不跟你說那個確實有不同的用天數啦是上限這個請教規則很久很久沒有修過了說真的就這個部分啦 |
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所以你也感到樂觀其成 就是說我們來 委員會有跟我們來想想看想一下就想一下 這樣看有沒有他一定當初有當初各式各樣的考量只是都是考量現在所以我們現在就是放得糊裡糊塗啦當初的考量 但是現在不一樣啦再想想看啦 夫人 次長 你的看法 |
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我做一個說明啦就是這個真的是因為真的規則從三幾年發布這樣一直下來那過去商價應該會像委員剛才講的可能跟我們過去的這個智商的習俗等等的都會以那個那個當事人的為核心嘛 北部就可能 |
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會比較久月父母等等的所以會有不一樣的的確時間是過去延期下來我們會配合全部再來看看應該現在的變動這樣是不是合宜謝謝還有在我最後一分鐘以下那個法務部次長請上來一下好 |
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市長我看這次台灣民眾黨提出的刪除勾串共犯跟證人作為羈押室友的一個修法的一個提案我想過去這個社會其實是有很大的一個爭議那今天這個案子排進來本學必須要很嚴正的去講出來以現在來看的話你刪除掉勾串共犯跟證人 |
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我比較擔心的是會貪玩掉兩個重大犯罪一個溯源的一個能力你像譬如說我們現在很多這個如果刪掉的話我為什麼有很大的一個疑慮你詐騙的話你就抓到了人如果說不能押 |
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然後金流繼續在跑手機也繼續在通然後上游的人在幕後的大家都笑嘻嘻我很擔心這個拆掉整個刑事司法裡面再抓一個重大犯罪的一個架構我當然知道這個提案是希望讓它更文明可是我很擔心這個文明到最後變失明 |
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簡單你 你們到底有沒有什麼樣的一個想法跟配套或者說這樣的一個修法會不會產生怎樣的一個衝擊聽你的看法 |
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好 謝謝委員我想原來的法律的規定就是法官審查已經非常的完備了我們執行這麼多年來也沒有問題那現在如果把這個勾竄證人共犯跟被告刪除的話如委員剛才所講的這些重大的經濟犯罪還有科技洩密還有國安案件 詐團這些案子如果主嫌犯沒有押起來相關的人沒有押起來的話 |
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出去 馬上把他的髒證物處理掉人就跑掉了所以你們也擔心產生很大的重點非常的擔心我們非常非常的不樂見這樣的修法好啦 那我們再考慮一下啦謝謝阿杜仔忘記給考試員跟人總先請回很抱歉謝謝主席 |