| IVOD_ID |
167046 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167046 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-12T11:19:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-12T11:30:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ab52049cf0a1ce0864b666d5014e788b4bfe832d32782da7fca8e6801c49bddebbb860637a5fd565ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:19:07 - 11:30:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第26次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍如何強化戰場持續戰力，對於戰時高消耗情境下，彈藥籌獲之應變作為與規劃」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請國防部的顧部長請顧部長 |
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是 賴委員部長早辛苦了首先我想請教一下因為據相關的報導說美軍抓馬杜洛的時候使用了聲波武器這個聲波武器我不知道我們國軍目前有沒有這種武器沒有你知道這個事情吧 |
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我有看到媒體的報導2018年5年多前 蕭美琴當立委的時候質詢美國駐中國大陸大使館的外交官受到聲波的攻擊 腦損 |
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這一次呢 媒體報導的時候那時候的美國駐古巴的大使館也發生過類似申報的攻擊也就是在五年多前五年多前小美琴她執行的是大陸的古巴是我另外找的資料 |
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那麼就是已經有這樣的技術喔就五年多前就有這樣的技術就有這個事情發生喔然後 這個看到最近的媒體報導是說噢 這個 委內瑞拉的這個士兵啊動彈不得 吐血倒地腦袋像爆炸一樣流鼻血 等等的喔 很緊張喔 很厲害 這樣喔 |
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你會不會 我們國軍的想要一套這個東西做記事要不要先回答 |
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委員好 我是座議事次長有關各種目前在不管是武裝衝突或是戰爭當中可能使用的威脅形態國軍都有不管從智庫的分析或者跟友盟情勢上的交換來去掌握相關的不管是運用或者是防禦的方法那剛剛委員所講包含美軍使用這項武器事實上現在美軍並沒有證實看到了可能是網路上的 |
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可是我已經提到2018年蕭美琴就死刑了啊可見的2018年就有了啊2018年就有了包委員我們現在也透過我們的創新你們都不知道你們都不知道這個事我們在做高能微波或是雷射或是其他各種新式武器的科研案那當然未來國軍會在各種能力上能夠經過科研後所以你這樣講我是不是用白話文講說國軍已經在研究 |
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類似聲波攻擊的武器是不是沒有或者聲波防禦沒有沒有要想一下啊 如果解放軍來的話我們如果這樣東西 至少防禦一下讓他這個馬上就倒地很厚的對不對 這個是什麼這個還不是致命性的武器啊它不是致命性的武器它音量很大它裡面頻率特殊 能量集中 |
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這個部長啊你那個1.25兆的特別預算你不要把這個列入採購的項目啊 |
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我想因為現在都屬於這個媒體相關的報導或者是有一些這樣疑似的一些不是疑似喔2018年蕭美琴的質詢啊哪裡疑似這怎麼是疑似呢2018年你看一看 Google一下2018年蕭美琴當立委的質詢啊咧都有啊咧那時候就有人五年多都有了你怎麼不會想到我們也是一個防禦性的武器啊 |
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我這邊以國防部的理解我們沒有辦法證實所以萬一如果解放軍對我們國軍採取深波攻擊的有沒有防禦之道委員因為提出來我們會盡量的好去研究吧我再講一遍不要忘了不是今天媒體才講的2018年蕭美琴就質詢了 |
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你去看看你去看看蕭美琴的資訊好 我們下一個題這個所以你們要去研究這個題目嘛不知道是 我們來來研究一下是什麼時候會有結果 |
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我們可能要做一個相關的情收這個很厲害這個東西看起來不像生化武器那麼的可怕可是也是很厲害啊不然的話我那天那一次死了上百人美軍很厲害啊美軍太厲害了 |
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零傷亡 哇 這太厲害了就是這個武器啊 那我特別引用了蕭美琴的這個事情好 我們再看第二個題目我就請教 因為我時間有限了快到了你是不是確定了吃通電這個軍種已經撤掉了並到陸軍裡面去 是不是確定 |
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官員報告不是這樣子的意思是自動電軍裡面的通訊負責部隊的野戰通訊就是部隊在進行當中他要有一個野戰通訊所以將這個通訊的部隊呢現在本來編配那麼現在直接改回到陸軍自動電軍還是要維持他的專業特別著重在網路戰跟電子戰的部分 |
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那我就請教我們現在軍種是陸海空直通還是陸海空三個還是四個我們軍種我們軍種三個還是四個軍種跟兵種不一樣軍種就是陸海空那憲兵就是一種兵種不是一個軍種你原來有直通電軍是一個兵種不是一個軍種可是報導都說本來是一個軍種 |
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不是不是不是本來就沒有資通電軍他是要不要相關的長官講一下那個站櫃是管這個報告委員資通電軍他從一開始的定位就是屬於國防部的直屬單位我們並沒有在編制上面賦予他軍種的位階 |
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他是兵種 不是軍種也不是兵種這個是外界的說法我們在正式的文件裡面並沒有賦予他軍種的這個位階跟權限可是相關的長官原來少將都變中將了啊這個缺都出來了啊 不是嗎他是提升他的位階然後把他的功能提升可是他跟軍種與否是沒有關係的 |
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好 如果這樣講的話那我就請教這個資通電是不是如果講軍啦不一定軍種 資通電軍是不是外面一般所俗稱的白話文講就是大家講說部隊裡面的網軍是不是可以這樣講不是不是 什麼區別 |
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網軍他是在外面採取網路訊息散播的方式去做達成某一種行為那直通電軍他設立的目的是以電子作戰攻防以及支援的方式還有網路攻防跟支援的方式來支援聯合作戰部隊有效執行任務所以這跟外面的網軍是天差地別 |
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請教部長這個 |
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你這次的1.25兆的特別預算雖然還沒有付為了但是我們所知道都是主要是就台灣之盾的擴大版或者是主要就防空系統嘛所以我就想說是不是一定買很多的飛彈啊不是很多的飛彈如果這樣子有沒有考慮過要不要類似中國大陸 俄羅斯 北韓 沙烏地阿拉伯除了陸海空以外都有個火箭軍有沒有這樣考量 |
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跟委員報告齁 這個中國的這個火箭機主要當然它是包含導彈這些的那我們這邊 我們也有導彈啊不是我們對啊 我們也有防空的也有反艦的那另外我們這個海馬士也是一種遠程的火箭 |
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那如果你要講這一次軍演中國所使用的PH-1-1的PCH-1-1部分的話那我們的相對應也就是海馬士那我們海馬士現在已經公佈我們原來買29現在再增加82就我們就會有111套這樣具有高機動性高存活率的遠程的精準的一個火箭新買的海馬士的射程可以多遠 |
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他平常一般蛋大概70到90那如果是ATACMS的話40到300那當然美方還有另外一種PRSM的話可以到500500可以達到哪裡大概江西左右吧好 所以沒有 我最後一句話你沒有回答我 |
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有沒有考慮要成立火箭軍你剛剛講我們飛彈很厲害啊很多啊要不要考慮加一個軍種叫火箭軍他雖然叫火箭軍但是這幾個國家的所有火箭軍他都是以戰略飛彈部隊為主他具有戰略層次的打擊能力所以我們的我們只以守勢作戰來講我們的所有的火箭跟飛彈都是用為自衛所用的我們可以打到江西就不是守勢了喔不是跟委員報告 |
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你不要看到火箭軍這兩個字以為他叫火箭他其實說是戰略性的那些飛彈對嘛 就飛彈軍嘛 |
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但是對我們來講 我們的反艦的飛彈 我們飛在海軍我們的防空飛彈也在空軍 那我們的海馬是在陸軍我們都是採聯合作戰的一個首次作戰所以沒有 你 我的答案就是 戰不考慮就對了啦 是不是就這麼簡單啦 可以這樣講嗎委員要進一步了解一下 這個所謂中國的火箭軍 它的內涵是什麼 |
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還有俄羅斯 北韓 沙烏地阿拉伯都有軍種都有不是只有中國大陸而已 |