| IVOD_ID |
167040 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167040 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-26,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-12T10:44:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-12T10:54:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ab52049cf0a1ce0a7e64720b20f103e307671192a7c66aa7fca8e6801c49bdd5e42fc9f2fe0e8b55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:44:06 - 10:54:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、財政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「臺灣未來帳戶特別條例草案」案。） |
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謝謝主席 我請衛福部次長請呂次長黃委員好是 次長我想國安問題除了今天的這個少子化未來賬戶的問題其實還有所謂的我們的老年長照問題那我想先討論一下國發會目前的人口推估我們除了進入所謂的超高齡社會 |
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然後我們對於所謂的內政部統計一個人的家庭一個人的家庭佔了332萬戶也就是說全台的戶數36%都是一個人一個人顯然這個單身不是少數而是社會結構的其中一個非常重要的比例 |
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那單身獨居當然很健康快樂但是現在的問題是孤獨死亡成為社會中一個最嚴重的問題孤獨死亡在日本跟韓國已經列為所謂的國安問題甚至有專門的立法來做處理我想問一下衛福部對於孤獨死亡 |
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台灣民眾黨在去年10月不對2024年10月就已經提案了這一年多衛福部對於孤獨死亡有什麼進展有什麼樣的新的想法OK 非常感謝委員長期以來對這個問題的關心那我跟委員回報現在目前就也非常感謝大院的一個支持我們現在目前已經通過這個任性條例編了一個預算嘛62億那62億我們預計這個最有趣的我就現在想要問一下次長是 |
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我們內政部推估孤獨的人有67萬人衛福部推估的有39萬人可是地方政府列冊關懷的只有5萬人你現在變了60多億要花兩年的時間完成獨居老人的調查 |
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請問這幾年到底發生什麼問題內政部衛福部地方列車管理完全不一樣人數不一樣一個67萬一個39萬一個5萬是很離譜啊你現在在花60幾億去查 |
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你要告訴我這發生什麼問題現在目前其實最重要事實上是我問兩個簡單回答第一個事實上統計口徑的問題統計不一樣 統計方法不同我們要注意其實對衛福部而言我們最關切的問題是獨居且需關懷所以剛剛委員所說的就是那個5萬我承認那地方列管只有5萬跟你們衛福部評估39萬還是差了30幾萬 |
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正因為這樣所以我們必須要趕快來做所以我們要重新調查這幾年的工作都白做了嘛我要問的是接下來不是只有調查而是讓他們怎麼樣成為這個社會被關懷的對象很多人在家裡過世了沒有人知道而且親朋好友去敲門才知道甚至他跟家人不聯絡甚至沒有上班的同事關心 |
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這才是今天台灣社會很大的問題就是說我們幾乎沒有這樣子的緊急聯絡人所以我們很多也學習了您的一個在台北的這個經驗所以我們在這邊會來老人就是如果真的需要關懷的話我們會有每一天的送餐還有現在最重要就是學習您的經驗我們來設立這一個整個緊急求救裝置 |
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這叫做社會安全網的一環只是社會安全網比較著重在於所謂的那些有問題的家庭但是其實孤獨死亡才是新的社會問題那另外一個就是我們看到中國大陸他推出一款APP叫做死了嗎也就是設定緊急聯絡人電子信箱如果你沒有上傳APP的話就會通知你的緊急聯絡人這個APP在中國大陸是下載第一名 |
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也就是說如果我們政府要花六十幾億去做這個那是不是也弄一個相關的APP可以讓我們跟自己的緊急人員保持主動的聯絡現在的網路這麼發達如果你有花六十幾億去清查你還不如花六十幾億花一點點錢去做一個APP讓大家可以通報 |
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包委員 我想您在台北市 但是副市長您也知道就是說這個重點並不是偵測的問題現在最重要的是偵測到之後你要有人去接受你後面要撿得起來 要接得住嘛但是現在這個APP就是通知他的緊急聯絡人總有一個人會去看他現在是沒人去看他 沒人知道他沒錯 所以我們在這裡面會補助地方政府他們成立Core Center |
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所以接下去要做的是我希望衛福部有個具體的甚至我認為我們應該列一個所謂的專門的法律來做相關的處理它已經成為少子化之外的國家重要的安全問題現在孤獨死亡不是只有老人喔四五十歲中年很多甚至有年輕人在家裡猝死的然後沒有人知道的其實孤獨死亡它是一個整體國家安全接不接得住的問題衛福部責無旁貸 |
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好嗎 這是第一塊包委員 這個應該是全那個各部會啦都要 大家共同來利益所以我不希望說再發生內政部講一種數字衛福部講一種數字然後地方政府列管另外一個完全不一樣的數字是是 謝謝 列管完成但是沒人去接沒錯 列管只是列管 好嗎好 謝謝 接下去我想問一下有關所謂未來彰悟我看到反正大家都認為說這是一件重要的事情而是一件正確的事情衛福部自己的態度跟立場呢 |
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我們今天就是部長一開始也說我們就是來虛心來聆聽各方的意見這大概是全世界都一樣的問題不是只有台灣第二個就是這個部分大家說有錢沒錢但是受惠於AI高科技相關的出口中央銀行剛剛上修了114年的經濟成長到7.3% |
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然後我們今年預估今年的成長率到3.67其實編列預算的時候這些都沒有在裡面接下去其實不要再說政府沒錢政府要賺錢很容易時間暫停我請國發會請國發會 |
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副主委我們的賴總統在去年5月說滿週年的時候他說要做國家主權基金然後我們跟美國的談判到現在還是空轉20%加恩還是沒有進展日本跟韓國都被川普要求投資三千億四千億的美金然後我們的國發會針對所謂的剛剛講不管是做什麼事情都需要錢 |
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那我們當時賴總統說要去做主權基金幫國家賺錢這件事情進展到底怎麼樣我到現在沒有看到任何的進展我想這個主權基金我在院裡面還在各部門的研議當中要不要做還在規劃當中要做還是不要做 |
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還沒有做最後的決定 沒做決定但是總統先宣示了總統宣示之前都沒有演繹跟委員報告一下因為主權基金涉及的相關的議題相當的 |
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但是總統已經宣示一年了而且其實我們希望朝野有共識所以我們現在基本上在收集朝野之間對於台灣設立主權及其相關的意見這件事情全世界也是一樣大家都朝這個方向在走只是制度上面要怎麼做可以多多參考各國的狀況但是不要總統說了之後一年還是樓梯都沒有響啊 |
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連樓梯都沒有想更不要說人下來了對基本上總統也是希望我們多多看看我的意思是說應該是國發會研議出來之後總統才對外宣示而不是總統宣示完一年之後我們在立法院問你的答案還是今天這樣空洞這不是這個國家很奇怪的地方我先宣示了然後我不做然後你們還在研議然後最後告訴我說我不知道要不要做 |
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要做就做什么时候做而已现在是你连说做都不知道是不是应该是说我们有这样的规划可是我想任何的规划事实上都要有朝野就是我们要去都要有朝野共识那就不要随便乱说第二个我想问那现在我们跟美国的关税谈判20加N到底谈完了没什么时候会有一个初步的结果能够跟其他国家做一个比较吗 |
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現在有結果了嗎我想其實那個OTM已經有對外說明我們現在已經到最後所以沒有新的狀況我們已經說我們在最後階段已經快三個月了是因為有時候雙邊的談判不是我方可以到現在都沒有任何的進展我想應該是有我們我想立法院都非常體諒行政院我們知道談判是困難的但是 |
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533.666 |
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561.822 |
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說一直在談談到現在還沒有結果都已經年底了然後都已經跟日本韓國差了好幾個月了不應該再這樣拖下去同樣的剛剛講如果我們真的是要做這麼多國家安全包括人口老人年輕人未來賬戶這些事情需要更多的所謂的國家預算主權基金是一個很重要的裁員來源這個可能也不能再繼續拖下去了好嗎我想委員的意見也是對主權基金的一個看法是 |
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562.882 |
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577.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
希望政府是去賺更多的錢回來照顧更多的人而不是把事情停擺在這裡如果要做就認真做因為我想主權基金就跟今天的兒童法一樣一旦成立以後其實它影響是非常非常深遠的 |
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577.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
605.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
所以我們覺得主權基金的規劃所以不應該只是總統宣誓之後是一個空談我想總統宣誓是要希望藉由他的宣誓基金總統宣誓不能隨便宣誓啊收集各方更多的意見總統宣誓不能只是講一個空話然後什麼東西都沒有然後你們才開始研究我的問題是這個我想主權基金的研議我們其實過去一直沒有相關的研究我希望在今年2026年這應該有個具體落實如果今年都不能具體落實那就是空話到底啊 |
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606.01 |
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610.188 |
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好嗎 是好 謝謝謝謝黃珊珊委員發言 |