| IVOD_ID |
167022 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167022 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-12T09:25:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-12T09:35:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ab52049cf0a1ce0e0269be2cadccca6b4bfe832d32782da61002d6f89771a8486cf5dcbc0b7422b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:25:21 - 09:35:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第26次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍如何強化戰場持續戰力，對於戰時高消耗情境下，彈藥籌獲之應變作為與規劃」，並備質詢。） |
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好主席有請顧部長請顧部長部長早是陳委員早是 |
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剛剛聽完了部裡面的各同仁的報告當然這裡面有些是專業的因為這邊很多都在對外在直播我們外面的同仁老百姓並不見得聽得懂我們先講這個步槍彈從當年的口徑從7.62變成5.56這個二三十年前就這樣子了那個時間並沒有防彈背心 |
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所以我們那個時代一個陸軍步兵一年才打38發到了馮世寬當部長的時候提升到100發那這就是你的彈藥的消耗在那個時代連我們的警察都是買我們國軍彈藥我不知道現在警察還有沒有買我們的彈藥還是他們自己向外採購 |
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跟委員報告 警察假如是我們5.56同用跟7.6都是跟我們維持的 也是要我們採購因為剛剛提到了就是說 現在你面對的敵方包括我們自己國軍 我們都開始有防彈背心了就傳統的鉛彈頭啊 貫穿力是不夠的 因此你才有鋼心彈但在過去大家沒有提到這一點 |
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那我举例美国陆战队学校在Quantico他们每个人一年的年度训诞超过500发所以未来很明显的我们的训练除了陆军的发射弹药在增加以外海空军的基本上在基地防卫的训练的弹药也在提升所以这个如果大家能够做更明确的表白表示这个钢心弹头跟以前是不一样的那这个时候外面的老百姓就比较了解了 |
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我們現在就是打算就是說訓練用彈就用在射擊的時候就把它都推成掉以後我們就只生產甘辛彈我這邊列一個表就是根據我們國防部這個四年期總檢那麼做出來的我也算是花了一番功夫把裡面都降讀了那我們在下面就是 |
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建议具体的规划江财宁讲了不只是军备局中科院商购外购建立整体的能量那要强化整体的供应链这个时候重要作战区预知后勤的补给站提升运输效能在运输强弹药的同个时间软性的问题就是我们的急救伤患尤其是在弹药库的附近了 |
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那个急救伤患同样我们的雪江配合这个案子要增加就是统合民间的物力人力资源资源竞速作战同时我们也强化这个一位的资源那跨部会强化关键基础设施同时维持社会核心的机能跟政府运作那下张图表就是我们战死国军的维持力啊 |
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原則是維持作戰部的彈藥無虞在有限時間內確保儲存的這個安全儲存滿足部隊的需求這裡面就產生了彈藥庫本身的電力供應因為 |
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彈藥庫的安全是很重要的它的緊急醫療這個戰傷的幫助要在附近另外通往彈藥庫的道路電網或者緊急發電機甚至機動發電機這個部分也是要能夠在配合這個案子同步強化並不是指一個儲存量 |
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彈藥庫的內部很深,如果沒有電,用人力是沒有搬運的,所以並不是光步槍彈,這個時候就涉及剛才講的大口徑的砲彈。大口徑的砲彈在年度訓練過程中因為射程近,所以中間有部分送藥打掉了,結果你整體的彈藥就不能夠用了,因為你不能發揮到最大射程。 |
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所以这个时候的送药的就像您讲的那个配合产制这个时候要强化可是呢因为平时的演训啊我们的射程都是展示型的这个1500码2000码所以都看得见爆炸点所以你送的送药的几号送药消耗的特别大而其他的送药呢留在那边 |
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保存的时间又不一样了所以这个时候在未来尤其是特种火炮这个弹药储存配合训练用的因为这个时候不是光弹头了这是送药的组合不是药桶式的那大口径的是这个样子我想大家了解尤其是外岛的像240基本上你现在是 |
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送药是不够了那在这个里面就强调不只是硬体包括国军后勤这个补保运位的人力人力要增加因为你弹药的需求储存量增加后勤的人力相对的要增加要确保道路交通重要道路的畅通这个部分是不是在配合这个全案建案的时候后勤人力有成长 |
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委員好 向委員報告我們後勤的人力一直持續在檢討那當然現在因應這個缺員的狀況下我們即便增加了員額可能也不一定有人但是我們現在一直在朝這個方向在努力同時您剛提到連外的道路部分以及交通運行的部分這個部分國安會現在也有重視以及跟美方的研討之後有非常多在道路交通暫時的時候如何管制以確保我的部隊調動我的後勤補給資源如何有道路使用的優先權這部分都在檢討 |
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好 謝謝最後一張圖是強調我們的韌性就是說我們台灣之盾當然面對有挑戰與考驗 |
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那敌方现在对我们威胁最大的反而不是东风系列的战术导弹是他现在卫视系列的火箭因为射程够远了那么数量够多了那我们在防卫作战的时候用现有的精准武器去拦截这个耗损率太高因此在台湾之盾这个未来的规划里面整体运用下就是说武力的分配我们先看一下这是培洛西来的时候 |
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这个时候打的还是各位看的这个是打了11枚东风导弹那在这一次中共演习的时候就是打火箭了北部打了17枚南部打了10枚但是我希望我们未来在演习在内部做模拟的时候想象一下如果他今天 |
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全部是用这些远程火箭精准火箭做第一批的射击那你在台湾之盾有效的指管联合这个目标分配情况下有没有足够的弹药或是哪些地方你认为你能够承受我们比方来讲这是一个模拟的那不只是对了我们的地面的基地海空军的基地陆军的指挥所雷达站 |
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我们未来的储存位置就像刚刚你讲的也变成了目标了所以在这种情况下我们台湾之盾怎么样要做更有效的整合这下面你可以看到未来的火箭它是以量取胜它有足够的射程这个时候如果我们不能有效分配目标 |
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或是建立一些假目標讓他消耗我們有限的武器啊就變成效益不能發揮了所以台灣之盾本身呢在這個整體規劃裡面 |
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不只是远程的中程的近程的到点防御的那整体的网络那结合整个过去讲CCISR后来C5ISRT现在还C6I都出来了但是整体来讲这个网络其实就是让你的中心可以左右移重心可以前后调节所以去中心化不是目的是你的方法手段要有一个完整的网络架构那这个时候啊 |
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我们才能够防卫所以现在的今天虽然谈的是弹药持续那不只包括火箭飞弹这个大型炮兵新武器甚至步枪子弹但是最后在这个威胁情况下这个网络如何能够发挥有效的效果中科院您做个说明 |
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這邊回覆委員在台灣之盾的設計裡面當然第一個我們是會去強化我的每一個接戰的效率讓我的每一枚彈藥都能夠達到最精準的接戰第二個就是 |
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我們也不會讓他的火箭在發射之後他就肆無忌憚的一直發射我們一定是在他發射之初我們也會有相對應的措施來阻止他能夠有效的發射第三個就是針對每個火箭它的威脅性我們要去評斷哪些是我可承受的損失哪些是我必須一定要接戰要把它攔下來的這個在台灣之盾的設計裡面這三點都有考慮在內 |
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里面提出一个建议就是说因为他的火箭军部署的范畴他的射程超过我们你可以摧毁反制摧毁一部分但是还有一部分是超过射程之外的这个时候未来的新来的这个海马斯或者是真诚的 |
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看怎么运用所以这个里面又结合了情报的一个是机动目标的位置第二个是固定目标的位置这个都要把它纳入台湾之盾我们在这个议题上需要一个长时间共同努力也希望确实落实这个专案的效益谢谢各位 |