| IVOD_ID |
167010 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167010 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-08T11:44:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-08T11:55:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/125fd21c0e10f543768b2afd3190f42b324c55f2e48b25a91ff8743ff8a8cb9b6df6a493928834075ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:44:02 - 11:55:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查
一、委員徐欣瑩等19人擬具「大學法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「大學法第三十五條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員范雲等16人擬具「大學法第七條條文修正草案」案。
四、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「大學法第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員陳秀寳等22人擬具「大學法第七條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員廖先翔等18人擬具「大學法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
七、委員柯志恩等21人擬具「大學法第七條條文修正草案」案。
八、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「大學法部分條文修正草案」案。
九、委員翁曉玲等 16 人擬具「大學法第七條條文修正草案」案。
十、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等19人擬具「大學法第七條條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員范雲等16人擬具「大學法部分條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員林月琴等17人擬具「大學法第九條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員林宜瑾等21人擬具「大學法部分條文修正草案」案。
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謝主席有請次長有請朱次長委員好好次長好今天我們審這個大學法上週五下午就知道的議程週五不算6日123算到昨天週三上午就好有4天半的時間可以寫但是為什麼報告是昨晚10點才出來 |
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跟我們報告 因為我們裡面會有涉及到不同的私處 不同的團體的意見所以我們也花了一些時間 做了一些整理希望把最完整的一個意見呈現給各位委員好 我也希望是最完整的但是今天的書面報告扣掉封面跟木刺是23頁通篇看起來主要是彙整大家的意見 |
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教育部的意見大概也只有一頁也沒有具體的表達整個政策的方向這樣還要寫這麼久我想這個彙整應該是蠻費時的但是市長今天我的大學法第35條版本其實不是在第一次在委員會上就再提出了早在2024年的4月18日委員會就有討論過那時候排審的是柯昭偉柯志恩委員的35條版本 |
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它的用的是家庭所得金額適用稅率12%以內教育部在當時的報告我強調是當時因為用家庭所得金額適用稅率的12%納稅單位集聚為121萬以下約佔總納稅單位的92%所需增加的預算大概是411.81億元 |
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約相當於113年高校預算法定的預算的32.27%因此為大幅度的一個排擠避免其他的教育支出所以不同意修法在今天的書面報告就大學法35條就只有一段2024年那個時候還有六頁在說明怎麼大小差這麼多 |
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35條是重中之重次長在當次的質詢啊既然不同意家庭所得進額的一個適用稅率在12% |
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我就拋出所得五等份讓最低20%的所得者免學費聚焦真正弱勢的與中低社經背景的這些家庭那個時候我記得是劉次長還答應我說教育部會提供一份所得五等份最低的20%所得者的一個評估報告但是那一份報告我到現在都沒有看到 |
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好 請問一下所得五等份最低20%所得者大概需要多少的經費您知道嗎好 各位委員報告我想如果我們會後再把這個評估送給委員那以目前我們的推估大學校院大專以上學生目前大概109萬那我們因為這樣只能用推估推估起來需要的預算大概要將近100億100億是 |
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所以是有算出来了只是我还没拿到资料不好意思如果确实先前没提供委员我们会要尽快提供给委员会后提供给我好不好但今天你说的大概是100亿100亿左右那教育部现在的回应呢你们觉得呢这个评估要不要调整成我所建议的你觉得呢 |
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根文报告以目前高教跟技职两师一年的预算大概是1325亿那如果说要从里面去云之100亿来讲那大概影响的一个幅度大概是8%左右了对不起 几%大概是8%左右所以这一块可能我们才会希望说在受影响的对象我们来评估一下8%你个人认为影响的幅度会不会很剧烈 |
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因為原本的版本在所得稅金額這個總額是12%的話12%大概是312%411億那現在變成8%你覺得呢我跟文報告目前高伎倆是整體投入不管是學雜費減免就學貸款的利息補貼或是我們拉近學雜費方案已經投入238億了是 |
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那我们一年高教生根我以目前各公司一大学我们在协助学校做教学特色发展高教生根一年的预算也大概是200亿上下所以如果要再挪100亿出来事实上我们必须要很慎重的去评估当然要慎重因为所有的钱都是用在高教这个部分我们都希望花在刀口上但我认为大概8% |
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100億差不多我認為這個部分的影響是沒有這麼劇烈的我們所提出的這個方案也算是一個折衷的方案也務必請次長將這個方案在你們的內部會議好好的來做一個討論可以嗎好我們會來評估那個影響的範圍跟所需要的經費我們會盡量來看看有沒有其他的方式第二件事情 |
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市長大學法距離上一次較完整的修正將近20年這段時間我想高等教育的整個生態環境早就已經徹底的改變了跟以往是根本不一樣的少子化帶來的招生壓力不會我們也相信你們應該都掌握到地方的意見部分學校面臨退場公私校間的一個分化快速擴大 |
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学生参与还有监督的意识高涨社会越来越要求大学展现出公共性还有社会的责任面对这样子的一个变化现行的大学法我觉得没办法因应我们的期待所以这次排审的版本其中有一个是部分讨论到校务会议的学生代表的比例以及现行法规不得少于十分之一有提高有提高这个部分希望能够要增加我也有问过 |
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學校部分的意見當然他們是說支持提高但提高額度希望能夠討論但教育部的意見呢跟委員報告我想教育部第一個我們當然是支持能夠讓學生的自治參與在校務會議可以進一步的落實所以你支持提高我們是支持提高 |
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但是我們也顧及到每個大學我們為了降低大學它可能每個學校的狀況我知道 校園自主 董事會的意見學校自己的做法 對那我們目前 收集意見對 目前大學 目前我們收集來的意見大學普遍是希望從十分之一能夠先提高到八分之一啦是 對 |
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那至於要不要再往學生代表建議的說能夠到五分之一這個部分可能就是有需要教育部再跟大學從音效自己的角度來做你還要收集多久意見 |
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目前是希望说在因为已经有14个委员的版本出来了那我们在1月22 23会在校长会议来让校长针对这个部分凝聚来做讨论那我们会把这个公布公式版本再来跟学生跟相关的教师团体跟关心的人士们一起做讨论希望在下个会议我还是要提醒市长 |
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我們問教育部就一個很根本的問題提高比例是否等於實質參與你覺得呢 |
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這個部分就是學校最關心的有這個不確定性所以學生自知不能只看席次而是要看到整個發揮的影響力如果學生代表無法充分取得校務相關的資訊在程序上人被動的參與那麼就算比例提高也只能是形式上所以教育部在制度上的一個設計該怎麼強化學生代表的資訊權還有讓學生在校會議真正有聲音有力量 |
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次長 誠如我剛剛所說的整個大學法距離上一次的修正我覺得已經不符合期待了所以包含大學合併須經校務會議的同意維護師生的權益校長遴選的納入學生代表的一些相關權益我覺得這個部分都是回應大家的期待很多項目我知道要討論 |
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学校也有给我们一些意见我必须坦白讲但是综合的部分在怎么样去凝聚更大的共识我希望教育部要有更大的力度可以吗好非常认同让同学能够有足够的资讯跟无障碍的去参加整个学校治理这是同学期待的也是我们要来跟大学沟通的地方昨天好谢谢你市长另外一个问题跟你请教昨天有周刊的一个封面 |
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人口危机向世界抢财抢人才市长全球高度的竞争人才当然台湾也在这个竞争的行列但现实就是台湾自己培育的人被大量的国际市场挖走过去十几年台湾是一个人才净输出的国家不仅吸引不到其他的国家 |
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頂尖的人才台灣自己培養的理工金融優秀人才大量的被歐美中國新加坡歐洲等國際 |
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來處理掉被他們挖掘所以這是一個不爭的事實這不只是教育現場的問題更是經濟的問題國家經濟不正國內的工作環境不好我們這一次也遇到了很多學校跟我們反映我不講哪個學校但跟我們講僑生以及外國學生的一個招生的問題狀況的問題你知道目前有很多的困境嗎 |
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對他們來說招生不易然後教育部並沒有幫忙而且給予了很多的限制你知道嗎我覺得可能學校有誤解這幾年我們透過跨部會的會議其實打通了很多僑外生來台跟留台的一些相關的措施我知道 有但是他跟我講這些措施不管是很繁雜甚至很多的問題需要更大力度的溝通讓它簡化所以 |
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我要在這邊帶到的是細項我就不在這邊討論我們會後繼續來針對這個部分但是我要跟你講的是我知道你們有努力但是這個努力的進度我認為還可以有所進步所以很多學校跟我講僑生的部分希望能夠給予更多的幫助這個方向應該是我們要努力我希望我也來彙整一些意見到時候要跟你們來討論 |
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市長你答應我可以我們來做深度的交流嗎對我們也期待如果真的學校在現場遇到什麼問題不管是教育部的或是其他部會需要解套的我們都願意來做溝通但是學校也要承擔起該負的責任當然不會把責任都丟給你們但是我希望是你們是做他的靠山而不是開了一個門卻有很多的阻力今天趙偉站起來了但我後面原本想問你不管招生還有現在流財 |
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695.879 |
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711.849 |
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在台就读的科系相关的资料因为能够在这边读书在这边培育人才在这边就业是我们最终目的那这个部分我们也要有一些诱因我们会后再来讨论会后我们再跟委员做报告谢谢 |