| IVOD_ID |
166993 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166993 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-08 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-08T09:40:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-08T09:54:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:40:58 - 09:54:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會「強化民主投票促進法草案」公聽會 |
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今天我的標題就是消除投票障礙促進公民參與健全選舉制度確保社會信任今天公聽會要幹嘛呢公聽會是要找出問題還是要找出解方沒錯 兩者都要因為我們有層出不窮的問題但永遠沒有單一有效的解方我們來看一個 大家思考一下台灣有多少人可以投票 |
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台灣在2024年有將近1950萬個合格選民大概有超過1300萬人投票接下來今年的選舉我們查四年前來對照我們有多少的候選人我們有加起來有11023個當選名額 應選名額那其他的我就不談了 我們來談單單是我們的鄉鎮市民代表就有超過2100人我們的基層的村里長有7700多人 |
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這些人的權利跟每個選民息息相關好那我們來談那今天為什麼會有一個這個促進投票的促進法呢他是要針對什麼問題呢啊針對我們看下一張就是這個問題啦因為呢根據過往資料統計啊20到30歲之間的青年呢投票率一直擺盪有時候很低有時候還蠻高的那主要呢叫一般的選民中年選民平均低了5到10% |
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所以現在大家在關注什麼問題年輕的選民是不是他有一些投票障礙我們怎麼樣讓他更能夠參與因為這些人畢竟都是未來國家的新生力量所以今天的問題焦點是什麼怎麼去促進特定投票率偏低的選民讓他們可以去投票不只是只有青年 |
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那有人提出了什麼 不再急投票有人提出了 欸 多放一天假哪一個解放比較早啊大家想想看 我們往下看其實呢 我們台灣的選舉制度剛剛已經有代表說了 學者說了現在很多 |
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進步的技術我們都回歸到最簡單有效的方法就是紙本投票我先舉個例 台灣的紙本投票多厲害啊亞利桑那的登記選民只有260萬啊台灣是多了他10倍但是呢我們可以在6個小時內清點紙本投票 |
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你跟馬斯克也說台灣的開票很厲害我們台灣的投票選舉公平透明而且長期的累積的信任還有公開唱票你去哪個國家的選舉可以看到這個制度這是台灣很珍貴的資產跟台灣的健保一樣寶貴啊是怎麼形成的 超過半個世紀我們再往下看當時一開始投票這個事情政府怎麼去保障就是投票當天大家有價可以去投嘛 |
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所以大家有沒有發現一開始要讓公民去投票政府想出來的時候想出來的第一方法就是放假嘛就這麼簡單嘛但是放假有解決所有的問題嗎 沒有有哪些人沒有辦法去投票 我們先看一下這是基本人權喔但是有可能做生意的人有可能有一些備戰任務的人有可能一些24小時必須備勤的警校啊 救護人員 醫院的這些人這些人有辦法放到假嗎顯然沒有辦法 |
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所以放假不能解決所有的問題好 那開始有人去思考說那如果有放假不能解決問題的時候那我們用什麼方法來解決他們問題所以往往是要解決一個問題又跑出了其他的問題所以就像說你有時候要解決一個病症頭痛 我吃個普拿疼 |
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這次頭痛比較嚴重吃兩根普拿疼有人說不對你不是上次吃普拿疼有效你就吃兩顆你應該去給醫生看搞不好要打客流感沒有錯同樣的問題我要繼續去解決我可以沿用原來的解方給它強化 |
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我也可以另批蹊徑遭受其他的解方所以現在有兩個解方一個是既然當時為了讓人民去投票就規定一定要給勞工假一天那現在給兩天有沒有更有效又或者說那我們改成不在籍投票有沒有比較有效往下看所以這次的投票我們的這個法案設計提前放假我們了解選舉不是投票那一剎那的行為 |
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大家以為只要票投進去那一剎那 讓他可以投進去了可以表達了 就完成了選舉嗎 不對你經常買車 甚至買個手機 要不要考量預算要不要去貨比三家 上網上去搜尋 衡量你的需求比較哪些功能符合你的滿足選舉啊 是選民在挑什麼 挑候選人不是投票那一刻才決定啊 參與 |
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我們只顧及到投票那一刻的便利忽略到在投票前一刻 一刻之前的討論 了解這都很重要所以相較於不在籍投票那一剎那提供的便利跟多提供一天的假期讓選民有機會好好的去思考我要投給誰 誰才是我合適的人這就是重點 再往下看 |
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所以呢這次民主投票的促進強化民主投票促進法裡面呢他就做了這些譬如說有沒有在這次去年的發生了一些干擾選舉的方式有啊 密錄器啊看看你們罷免的人有沒有誰去投罷免票啊是不是 |
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以前只是不能窺視 刺探投票隱私現在選民有沒有去投開票所 都變成是一些干擾選舉的行為了那這要不要防範 防範的方式有幾種啊一個是在原來選辦法加強啊 在刑法加強啊你也可以另訂刑法加強啊 我強調一個問題 複雜的問題沒有單一的解方 大家可以考慮所以今天公聽會就要考慮各種可能 再往下看 |
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我們看一看有沒有人真的真的去了解這個選務流程我幫大家複習一下在場有選務官員有很多學者專家你們看一看你們知道一個選舉有多複雜嗎首先要先決定什麼投開票手的位置然後你要臨派選務人員 |
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照冊公告要公告什麼這個區域的選舉人名冊然後你要接收選票那當天你要來投票人要確認他的戶籍查驗他的身份正確的領給他選票投票只是一個動作之後還有開櫃取票檢票唱票計票統計包裝彙整要保存證據才能宣布當選台灣有多厲害這一連串的事情 |
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提前一個多月前作業在當天四點截止投票晚上八點前又開出票來這是台灣奇蹟世界奇蹟可是這個有多複雜你知道嗎往下看投開票所第一個你以為很簡單嗎台灣有投開票所有將近一萬九千個投開票所 |
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那我們看107跟109比較那時候平均每個投開票所大概1300到1500人到了109年降到1200人減300人要增加多少增加到1000多個投開票所投開票所的規模很重要嗎當然重要啊你不能距離選民太遠啊他開車40分鐘才能到在原鄉的地方可以嗎所以你看原鄉的選投開票所啊投票是很辛苦的不亞於你從台北坐高鐵回屏東投票啊 |
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所以呢 投開票的人數過多 會影響到什麼 開票的速度明顯在哪裡 台北市投票所的人數如果過多 開票就很頭痛 往下看所以不在一起投票有哪些問題呢第一 如果你要選擇不在一起投票你要讓將近兩千萬個合格公民去告訴選務機關 我打算在哪裡投啊 |
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這就是一個浩大的工程欸你要問將近1950萬的合格選民 你打算在哪裡投票我有多少投開票讓你選 我有19000個投票讓你選19000個讓你選 讓1950萬人選100個人選一個投開票的比例這個作業有多大 有沒有想過 再往下看如果不管這個決定了 候選人怎麼知道我的選民在哪裡 |
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我的選民 我是侃體鄉的鄉長 我要選鄉長侃體鄉投票公民數才一萬人啊有多少外地人口 他選在哪裡投票我去哪裡跟他拉票所以選舉人名冊的公告就是讓候選人知道說你的選民在哪裡目前的看法 目前的做法看起來在籍投票很笨但是至少戶籍明確 |
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我知道他不在家 我就跟他爸爸媽媽說 我來拜訪過了 希望他投給我我們如果是不在一起投票 我就看幾個組合這幾種排列組合啊 如果在台北某個投票所啊有這麼多有屏東 台南 金門 花蓮 台中的選民去登記每一個選民的選票組合有多少大家想想看 要不要再重複第一章我們有多少的鄉鎮市民代表好 結果是什麼 往下看 |
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就是投票的選務混亂我曾經跟我們屏東的鄉長啊鄉民代表說 你要選記啊要現在平常是你怎麼當選 怎麼當選鄉長的選票就一個鄉啊你四點截止投票他不到六點就知道自己可以宣布當選啊現在不一樣啦因為那個鄉長他的鄉民很多在哪裡旅外啊 北漂啊他們的票什麼時候開出來 晚上十二點啊 |
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我要宣布當選 以前我知道6點就可以宣布當選了現在都要等啊 等到我那個鄉的鄉民有在不在一起投票的其他的地方票都開出來了 都統計出來了 彙整回來勘定鄉公所 我們有縣選委會 有鄉的選委會 要彙整這些票數他才知道他有沒有當選 你知道嗎 在我們那裡的村長跟里長啊常常差5票以內當選的啊 |
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幾百票對幾百票嘛 大家有沒有想過這個問題大家想到選民要不再去投票他也很囉嗦啊 來往下看我如果去說我要再不再去投票第一 這是不是我的確實意願 我要怎麼去選擇 我要本人去辦嗎如果有人可以冒名說 鍾亞冰我本來在我的戶籍所在條段有人把我冒名去登記在台北要怎麼查核 這個是不是事實的 |
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那我是不是要先跑一趟我為了這個投票我要事先去本人去我想要投開票所那個地方的戶籍我本人我要在你這裡投票對選民有比較好嗎再來萬一我忘記了呢有些選民他可能就辦了上網如果越便利我上網選擇選擇完了之後就像我那個7-11我網購之後啊 |
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全台灣有將近一萬六千個7-11隨便我選 什麼時候送達有嘛 有沒有有沒有 電到電很多人很習慣網購 指定哪一個7-11去取你通常會指定你住的地方的附近嘛萬一哪天你出差 你在那邊取你忘記了你在哪裡登記了選舉投票當天 糟糕了我登記我在哪裡投票我可能今年換了地址 換了工作點耶這都很多的事情嘛 |
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我會白跑一趟啊所以有可能我被人家冒名登記到別的投開票所我當天去我的戶籍所都不能投有可能我忘了我登記在哪裡了我怎麼辦所以說一個制度的變革為什麼會有入境依賴因為你越熟悉的解方你越了解問題出在哪裡 |
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所以如果說我們說多放假一天來解決投票的問題大家都知道多放假一天會有什麼問題會有人跑出去玩嘛因為現在兩天就有人跑出去玩了嘛這些問題都存在也都很好評估但是我換了新的解方你真的不曉得我去打了客流感會不會有併發症會不會有副作用所以有人選擇說那我吃一顆普拿疼不夠我再吃兩顆普拿疼我必須承認沒有辦法是完美的辦法 |
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因為有層出不窮的問題你每想說一個解放就會跑出一些併發的後遺症我們總是在這些問題跟解放當中不斷的循環 |
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所以今天這個法案它不是一個完美的解方但是它用我們熟悉的方法來解決我們已知的問題有沒有效可以試試看但是用我們未知的方法會跑出這麼多未知的問題我剛剛提出來的問題我們目前在倡議不在籍投票的人有多少人想過因為大部分人都是選民我想的比選民多一點因為我曾經是候選人 |
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所以我知道候選人在投票當天的心情候選人在平常去拜訪選民他需要的一些資訊當你做了不在籍投票之後這些事情都會產生變化將會影響到剛剛超過了一萬一千多個應選名額的當選人他們在當選之前可能有兩倍或三倍的候選人要面對同樣的困擾 |
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所以我是建議當我們要解決一個問題的時候要思考一下要用熟悉的方式還是用新的方式會不會碰觸新的問題還是我們要辦法應付既有的問題 以上好我們謝謝鍾委員那我們接下來請曲兆祥教授 |
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