| IVOD_ID |
166989 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166989 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-08T11:01:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-08T11:07:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/125fd21c0e10f54300e0be91b02d1a440af7842d899401a61d89202e029a9f205ffaa6d71c87aaa95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:01:24 - 11:07:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部、外交部、國家安全局、海洋委員會海巡署報告「中共近期對台軍演之軍事威脅研析、國際情勢應對及國安應處作為」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 有請國防部的顧部長以及外交部的陳次長 一起好嗎 等一下就不需要上樓下下兩位請 來先請教部長 大家很關心F16-14的這個事情那個飛行員現在情況怎麼樣 有打拉到了沒有 |
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我們現在有就我早上六點的我們派出了三十的飛機架子然後有二十二十二艘然後另外無人機有兩架那都在全力的進行這個輸贏當中現在還沒有 |
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再有進一步的一個 是啊 我想全國人民都希望他能夠平安無事啦這個國防部這邊也在努力一下一定要想辦法這個要幫他救急那失事的主因啊這個外界也不斷的講大概我想是部長在這裡已經講了大概有人歸納為 |
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兩大點或者是好幾點第一個就是主電腦任務電腦的故障再過來是夜間飛行空間的迷失這兩點你們認嗎 |
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包委員 這個還是一樣就是說 四次調查的過程中我們不宜做太多的臆測那避免誤導整個調查的方向所以說 我們不排除任何的可能這兩個是原因之 可能性很高吧可能是原因之一 但是我們不做臆測另外有一個就是自動防撞系統沒有裝這是怎麼樣 |
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這個剛剛也跟前面委員報告過防撞系統本來在我們奉展就是我們block兩棟性能提升裡面是沒有這個工項的那也不幸的在107年發生了一個F16撞山的事件之後我們在隔月就請美方來做簡報那才把後來才爭取預算把這一個工項目前還沒有完成什麼時候可以裝 |
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什麼時候可以裝預判今年年底可以安裝上機再請教比較技術問題或者我請教我對我來講是外行的這裡提到F16V是不是我們要買66架那個F16V不一樣吧 對不對這個是block 兩棟那個是拐棟對 不一樣 |
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那個一個是類比式的非超的系統一個是數位式的一個是數位式的非超系統所以這也就是為什麼自動防撞系統本來是裝在全數位式的那現在把它裝在類比式需要如果是按照前面講的話我們就可以看到這些 |
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這些都是維護的問題啊那就產生到一個問題囉我們在2020年才成立很大啦啦的很大聲的講因為我們的F16大概全球如果把F16加進來數量最多了吧F16AV啦 Upgrade啦 鳳翔Upgrade什麼之類的然後加上要來的F16價全球幾乎最多我們成立一個F16維修中心亞太維修中心 |
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結果結果今天來講這不是2020成立而且那個是在offset一個program裡面經濟部主導的成立這個結果很漏氣啊maintenance維護維修結果自己弄得不怎麼樣現在再怎麼樣你們現在 |
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現在沒有把結果是講出來 可是外界怎麼看波斯抽檢就是維修的問題 維護的問題不管是你電腦 或者是空中飛行的問題都是維修的問題啊 難道不是嗎 對不對長官 |
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包委員這應該不是維修的問題因為維修中心當時成立的時候是針對比較能夠快速取得國內能夠製作那還有很重要一個因素他是要美政府的第三方轉移同意然後原廠要同意轉移 |
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252.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
現在就是美國有些關鍵技術不給我們啦是核心技術的部分他沒有轉移的話其實我們是不能做維修的兩位請回 次長我就問一句話而已現在看到最新的川普總統他sign了說美國要退出66個國際組織那這樣一來的話我們 |
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272.449 |
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276.793 |
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我們現在參加國際組織幾乎都是美國在背後幫我們忙包括WHA 包括WHO之類的還有其他很多的周邊組織等等的都是美國在幫忙那現在美國這就退出 我們怎麼辦我們在川普總統就任之後多次明確表達對我們的國際支持的支持 |
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295.188 |
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315.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
那麼 國際參與的支持喔那麼 我們也都有感謝喔那麼 相關的這個政策方面我們都跟這個美國政府保持密切的一個聯繫喔那麼 這個事情上面我們現在還是保持這樣你沒有回到問題啊我說他現在自己都退出而且按照Rubio講的他現在只是66個還有後續 還有增加一些就越來 他越來越一直退出他覺得成本效益 美核他退出 對不對他就是看到美國這一塊其他他要退能夠退 |
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324.901 |
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342.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
那這種情況之下我們以前參加的國際組織都是靠美國幫我們講話那未來怎麼辦比如大家念茲在茲的CPTPP他早就不在啦所以他也沒辦法聽我們講話啊那其他的比如說我們想加入的IKEA或最少是觀察員WHA這個現在來講都失去美國這種幫我們講話的一個動力在哪裡 |
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349.113 |
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367.385 |
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我們還是跟那個其他理念相近的國家密切合作爭取那麼事實上在國際參與上面美國並沒有減少他對我們的支持那他有會在這個透過各種的管道跟其他的會員國跟理念相近的國家表示他願意支持我們這樣的一個參與好啦一句話啦希望你們就是要告訴美方雖然你退出了我們希望你幫我們講話啦就是這個意思啦謝謝賴世保委員 |