| IVOD_ID |
166984 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166984 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-08T10:39:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-08T10:51:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/125fd21c0e10f54368b12bd7e630cd0a0af7842d899401a6e25119d80932fbafd25b08c110ea79ab5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:39:04 - 10:51:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部、外交部、國家安全局、海洋委員會海巡署報告「中共近期對台軍演之軍事威脅研析、國際情勢應對及國安應處作為」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩國防部長以及空軍參謀長還有我們副參謀總長執行官有請部長參謀長還有副參謀長執行官 謝謝 |
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是 王委員好待會兒我會就GKS NMC還有112G來就教於三位不過現在請問因為昨天我們看那個鏡頭拍到我們F16V墜海的時候有個火光那個火光到底是 |
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彈射座椅的噴煙還是飛機本身的火焰那另外現在搜救的情形是不是可以簡單一分鐘說明一下 |
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因為現在這個事實調查還在進行中所以說我們會針對所有的市政來做一個研判那在研判出來之前我們這邊不便做一個臆測所以說這個火焰的部分我們有看到媒體上的我們也去調閱這個監視器我們目前事實調查還在進行中因為那個火焰如果是彈射座椅的那它就是人跟飛機是分開了 |
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那如果本身是飛機機體的那我想這兩個事情會對搜救的方向會有差異我們當然對任何非安事件我們自己空軍出來的沒有最後的非安判定我們不要去臆測這些臆測其實非常不妥當但這個是已經彰顯出來的現象你們的研判上那個火焰到底是什麼 |
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因為這個 還是跟委員報告因為這個現在我們的非安調查都還在進行這些事證包含了所有的錄音超鑑當天的狀況 攝影機的這個鏡頭等等目前都在收整所以說這邊還是跟委員報告我們不做太多的臆測 避免誤導好 我尊重那我希望我們盡快把我們的弟兄帶回來是 我們搜救的想定不會侷限於某一部分我們會全面性的來做好 我先講GCAS的部分 |
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這個防撞的系統在目前的進度我聽說已經完成系統整合是否為真美軍已經在做是非的動作系統整合已經完成了現在在做是非是非完成之後下一步是什麼 |
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它是非有很多的系統要去做一個整合因為它的控制非常的複雜而且它的要整個接替飛行員的操作所以說在安全上這是非常重要它是分很多階段來做雖然說我們只聽到一個飛撤但是飛撤裡面的科目非常多飛撤不同的東西 項目會不一樣 |
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這個是takeover他要把你的操縱桿接管回來這個測試本身也有危險性非常危險所以說慎重起見也是為什麼是說他是在全數位上面的飛機已經運用這麼多年但是在類比上要轉成數位飛控要花這麼多的時間舉個簡單的例子跟委員報告就是說我今天蓋一棟新房子可能很快但是在一個老房子裡面去把它整成新房子那可能要比原來要花更多的時間 |
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因為我們現在要了解因為這個東西對維繫我們飛行員的生命安全非常重要那我為什麼要特別請這個副執行官上來因為我們當時是2018年6月4號吳彥廷中校 後來追風中校他在北部空域的五分山撞山當時就是我在那邊提質詢然後我們快速在9月份把他列入預算 |
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然後隔年2019年把GCAS列為我們希望在原來的奉展專案如果叫做1.0是沒有這個的後來就希望把全部的F16AB型的奉展專案追加等於2.0加了這個項目進去我記得第二年你就是參謀長 |
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你就是現在參謀長這個位置所以你這個狀況比較了解所以目前這個GCAS防撞的系統已經在進行飛測那飛測還有很多項目要做飛測做完下面就是要組裝嘛那我們現在F16AB提升到F16V本身機體要跟他銜接的裡面的不管是裡面的線路的這個裝束各方面有沒有做備變等他要來了 |
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是的 這個現在有關這個防撞系統最主要現在在測試的就是它的非控電腦那其他的有關線數和結構的部分實際上這已經備料並且完成設計所以線數已經備變 是 線數然後我們現在等這個系統測試完成就是跟線數要連結在一起就是組裝其他的這個硬體 設備以及設計的部分都已經完成了我知道大家都擠 |
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我們都不希望有自己的弟兄在那裡發生事情要等著搜救都是某個人的親人 孩子或丈夫是我們的跑者嘛所以沒有人會希望這個慢剛才講2018年6月4號吳彥霆到2019年列入預算當然我曉得對一般人來講 |
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為什麼不能隔年就裝好為什麼不能第三年就裝好我們都急但是這個問題在哪裡剛才其實各位有說明過但是我想要讓國人更清楚了解過去GCAS是用在全數位戰鬥機從來沒有用在類比式的戰鬥機 |
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而全數位戰鬥機是在Block 70這個Block 70之後它就內建在上面了所以我們全新的66架內建就有GCAS但是F16AB型它是類比式的你用數位式的操控要去接管Take over它的這個過程那個有點像特斯拉你要讓它的自駕系統要裝在你家的手排的老爺車一樣這樣大家都聽得懂了 |
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就是我原來的舊款的車型 |
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不是數位的你要把特斯拉的全自動駕駛我們現在大概任何車款都有自動駕駛你要把它裝到之前上兩個世代的老爺車你不測試完成你上路你放心嗎會有問題所以GCAS的部分我們請空軍相關單位把相關進度要確實一個進度一個節點要讓我們委員會知道第二個我要請教三位的MMC的問題這一個模組化的任務電腦 |
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它看起來這一次是有故障的情形因為它在呼的這個它在無線電腦有呈現這個任務電腦本身到底有多重要有人說它是飛機的大腦它到底整合了哪些東西 |
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就如同您所提的它就是一個飛機的一個大腦的這個功能所有的導航 飛行 控制 還有武器都是藉由這一個任務電腦來處理所以是Module Mission Computer它裡面包含飛行最重要的姿態核心 是高度 速度 方位還有它武器系統相關方面好 它一旦失效 |
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你們兩位都是飛行員NMC一旦失效在飛行上會有什麼影響班委員因為就是因為這個系統非常的複雜所以說它的故障的太陽也是非常的多所以說要看它故障的太陽是Level 1 Level 2它影響到的裝備都有不一樣 |
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那它失效了 比方說我們很重要的飛行的高度 飛行的姿態我們有一個備用姿態儀在飛機上所以旁邊有一個備用姿態儀在飛機的右上角 廊板的右上角上面有一個備用的姿態儀所以當MNC故障之後 我在看因為他們有個黃卡嘛 根據黃卡我要排除嘛那排除要花幾秒 |
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他做一個 這個所以跟委員報告他的故障太陽非常多有些是故障他自己會恢復有些你要去Reset的電門九成以上他都會恢復成這樣那恢復時間要多久這個要Depends他的故障的狀況大概是幾秒鐘就可以恢復那個負責任總長 |
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包委員這個MNC它這個電腦實際上就跟我們使用這個一般的電腦情況一樣它有時候是站態性的可是它會告訴我們暫時的站狀態的給我們一個故障代碼可是實際上在飛機上並沒有任何影響它就過一會它自動恢復因為我們如果進到雲裡面或者在特殊狀況海天一線我在空間上就我這一個大腦裡面顯示的飛行姿態如果暫時 |
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失效的時候會產生問題嗎最糟糕的情況就是它的這個對飛機的這個姿態的判斷的顯示會不正確可是飛機上還有一個備用系統我們飛行員按照黃卡的處置就會立刻參考備用系統黃卡排除黃卡建議看這個相關的備用的姿態儀可是 是的 |
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可是因為當時飛行員如果碰到的情況是都是複雜多變的雖然這一個情況發生那座艙裡頭還沒有別的情況影響到飛行員其他的判斷和操作尤其是有沒有像類似在發生空間迷向生理上又受到影響的時候在這個對飛行員的處置上因為在緊急的狀況的時候哪怕是一秒兩秒其實都是攸關的那這一個在F16AB提升它會有這些站態或者是失效失能的狀態 |
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它發生的頻率還有你們有沒有提出什麼要求原廠公司進行修改因為不管多少比例這個其實是有危險性的是的這一部分實際上從20多年前我們第一次接受AF16所有的 |
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F16都一樣一接收的一段一定會有一段時間是這個系統要重新適應這個新的狀況並且在這個ROM的過程中我們會慢慢發現缺點大概都是ROM一陣子以後它就會穩定那F16現在這個新裝的這個新型的MNC在今年年初以後它的這個新的軟體上機以後在去年年初上機以後它的這個故障率已經明顯的降低現在的狀況已經趨於穩定它的故障率並沒有 |
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高於其他的系統我們去年有對MMC做系統的更新一直在做每隔一陣子就會做那更新之後你說會降低因為這個速度 速電頻率我今天時間不夠沒辦法問我最後只請教一個問題因為時間關係我聽相關的同仁我們的袍澤弟兄說1122機的求生發報機連在潛水的時候那個潛水 深水潛水的時候都會失效這一次它也沒有訊號出來我們的1122機到底有沒有問題 |
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112機是美軍現役的求生發報機所以說我們也是經過爭取以後因為它裡頭有戰場加密功能也是經過爭取以後美軍才開放供售給我們那當然這是無線電機無線電機在水只要是無線電的東西在水底下它的信號當然都是沒辦法出來的所以說它並沒有說是因為觸水就失效而是它受到這個物理 |
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這個環境的限制如果它真的沉到水裡的話它當然這個無線電信號是沒辦法發出來的電波發不出來那它是彈射出來它就自動啟動還是人要去按它我們現在都是因為要讓飛行員在彈射的時候受到激勵它就可以自動發射信號所以說它就是在彈射的那一刻它就應該要發射信號它應該會自動發射 |
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那觸水到水裡面是因為那個波紋沒辦法傳遞它另外還有一個海水觸發的功能所以說實際上它是有雙重保障的就是你彈射出來它會觸發你碰到海水它會觸發這些都是維繫生命非常重要的裝備我是覺得要經常性高比例的抽驗 |
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因為這個1122機如果你說觸水它會觸發會打開來可是到水裡面有一定的深度它的無線電波又傳不出來我們周邊都是水域嘛這飛行員在每次在上機在著裝的時候都有相關的測試的要檢查另外從我們檢視從114年到現在這個1122機都沒有故障的記錄好 謝謝 那我時間到這邊我們後續我們再繼續追蹤 |