| IVOD_ID |
166960 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166960 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-08T09:38:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-08T09:51:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/125fd21c0e10f5431170b85f6bdfe1430af7842d899401a6336b50e104cbbb44e459cee5de9a21f45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:38:31 - 09:51:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部、外交部、國家安全局、海洋委員會海巡署報告「中共近期對台軍演之軍事威脅研析、國際情勢應對及國安應處作為」，並備質詢。） |
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是 陈伟部长早安早这一次中共的军演我们的国防部以及国安团队确实能够掌握预应以及如何因应以及适当的处置也避免任何的冲突产生对国军跟国安团队在这个里面的努力本席表达肯定但是后面仍然有一部分我提出建言以及部分可以做检讨精进的地方 |
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各位看這個圖這是一個東北亞整個大區域的圖這是要一個宏觀的格局首先我們就問因為外交部 國安局都有很關心美國的國家安全戰略 |
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那我们在这边就提出来就是希望我们的团队在我们的政府这个任内啊能够推出我们的官方版国家安全战略因为你的个我们自己主体的价值跟定位要由官方版来叙述那外国人才来评断而不是用别人的论述在第一岛链你的角色提过台湾几次六次八次 |
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我们希望国家安全战略官方版一定要在这个任内出来这样子跨部会的横向协商大家承担的责任它不是百分比式的因为资源有限反应的时间有限最主要还是人力有限从这个图上我们把中共的超远区套上去各位看这个是中共的天波雷达超视距的涵盖的范围就是等于说从第一岛链到第二岛链的中间 |
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这先不谈卫星的预警那这一次呢中共发布的区域我们套在上去了对应你的临海基线临海24里临界区这个中间的那个园区因为受限这个软体啊它不能放大实际上这是12月30号当天演习当天海上商船的状况 |
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有没有影响有轻微的影响因为从早上动吧动动到18动动他只是前24小时通知所以商船只能航线的略为修正但是大的航线不会改变这个时候呢我们可以发现了中共这是一个灰色地带的讲穿了就是心理战媒体战网络战最后就是 |
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利用国际法它的定义不清的部分它取例不恰当法律战它玩的是一个围棋对我们来讲就是一种消耗战士气上给你沉沙但是我们可以看到的真正的影响不是台湾一个因此周边对我们友好的国家每一个国家只要仰赖海上交通线的运补能源基本材料进出通通受影响 |
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即便是在演习的当天中国大陆的503航线也没有飞了他自己的国际航线连接国内503没有飞而且海上的航线有没有影响有些许影响因为他只有10小时他能不能把它变成100小时那是手段但是他明显的不敢这么做 |
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所以我们对刚才提出报告我们把你的文字整理变成逻辑框架这个中共演习的目标设定同样对应我们的国军使命做的事情我们统统把它做成的这一个框架那么反制的建议也列举出来了我们再看下一张图这张图就是海图套叠了临海基线 |
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临海24里临间区海下中线训练空域然后再把中共的超远区套上去这个是超远区并不是封锁区在这一次过程中间刚才海巡署讲得很好中共用的是什么它是用中共的海警针对特别的船它不是封锁不是blockade它叫做cursive quarantine |
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他有隔离他可以临检他针对什么目标呢如果未来要演习可能找一条你的这个天然气船刚才讲了中共用假讯息说是发布长荣的被临检事实上在这个过程中间呢我每两小时用这个公开的软体open source |
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去追踪每一条船因为根据IMO的规定你每一条船上你都有你的代码也知道国旗悬挂也知道你的目的也知道你的装载所以它可以针对性的选择船而不是在这个超远区叫做封锁那在这个情况下我们当然也标注了国军讲的这个导弹这个火箭发射的位置落点出来了那这个东西呢实际上是一个心理战 |
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完全是利用错误的讯息误导希望影响我们的民心士气那么可以肯定的就是国军海巡在这个地方对我们的主权的维护寸步不让但是我希望在对外的媒体的说明上面将能够强调这个区是超演区不是封锁区另外就是说由演转战这是一个心理战 |
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其实我们过去跟美方的协调都知道战略预警如果美方对这个地区会发生潜在的冲突30天前可能就发布旅行禁止命令那么美方有一个很明确的手法就是AIT对于台湾的情势掌握他会在某个时间内要对美国驻台的居留的具有身份的人要做点名也就是说他可以告诉中共明确的告诉 |
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两岸的冲突美国是第三方根据国防这个国这个所谓的国际法还有这个联合国的宪章第三方的要撤侨对方不能够阻止所以那个是一个预警时间也就是说如果AIT都没有宣布要撤侨被上美国国务院印太战略司令部的指导这个油盐转战是一个小规模的军事冲突而不变成一个大规模的进犯 |
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那这个是今天早上7点我们把所有的通过商传的位置我用这个做举例就是说在演习过程的10个钟头我每两小时有做一次更新套叠那对于冲突是多少对于我们未来在媒体上的运用可以做明确的说明那我们就问了 |
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我们都讲要支持国防未来要台湾之盾请问未来负责台湾之盾联合系统的整合合约是哪一个单位你有设定目标方法手段预期现况关键很多限制因素就是全程很多的律师必须要参与这个影响到什么就是刚才提到的 |
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特别条例一照2500亿那美方已经公布了这个3500亿军售那还剩下9000亿请问这个9000亿里面有多少是军售尚未公布还有其他的就是直接商售因为军售融资跟总统特别法案不会纳在这个特别预算条例里面也就是说9000亿里面可能有一半以上甚至到70% |
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可能是商售那商售你的合约没有谈你价钱怎么估你的履约督导执行这个面要后续要更细心的来协助最主要的就是说我们在台湾的投资占比多少希望这个一兆2500亿不只是在美国的军售商售要能够强化在国内的投资 |
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因为这次我们提到了所谓台湾之盾美国的厂商也有跟我们中科院不同案子签了所谓的MOU |
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如果IBCS是军售它就不包括继转如果商售就可以谈继转那就跟我们界面整合上比较有效但军售是完全用它的algorithm你没有办法继转这些细节我就不做说明我们看一下我们这个图IBCS是指帮美国陆军整合所有地面防空火力但是现在我们的防空是以空军主导所以IBCS可能是空军来 |
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做最佳的界面 |
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我們沒有太空的武器我們的衛星軌道或者是channel是有限的那現在就是整合三軍了不管是你的環展不管是海軍的這個所謂的連程或是陸軍的位置原來都是訓安系統這個東西就像我們的F16一路提升提升過程中間有部分已經做了更新有部分還沒有完成整合 |
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未来的台湾之盾要把这个东西整合进去所以上次跟部长做了建言就是C5ISRT因为包括你海马斯跟机动雄风你对目获你要交换情资所以我们看到的是多轨追踪情资融合网络整合复合图像 |
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耗上了超演區強調國軍強化戰力尤其是總統講了台灣之盾這個台灣之盾不是把過去的能力不要全部用心的是更新過去整合強化未來的系統最後我要解釋一下去中心化不是你的目標是你的方法手段的選項第一個你要趕快確立接戰規則 |
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授权责任区这个必须纳入国防大学子三教育法律也就是说对于我们所有作战区不管是工作部建制部滨海作战指挥部陆军各作战区的指挥官旁边要有一个法务官了解国际法武装冲突法这个是可以强化的美军的各个作战司令部印太司令部中央总部他旁边因为美方是一个全球性的所以他有一个大使大使级的 |
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顾问也有一个法律顾问那这个东西呢要摆进去另外就是军总的专业跟维保作业要纳到各作战区要协助不然呢很难讲共同图像不只是COP还包括战术图像所以最后啊我们强化战场指导的建议江指挥中心的关键节点 |
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形成模組套件以及可替代性的重組性的網狀架構維持中心功能仍然存在只是位置不同所以骨幹地下化關鍵支點機動化另外就是說有線的微波的機動台的未來增加衛星的軌道唯有這個能力的建立 |
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這個去中心化就變成你的選項而不是你的目標那麼我提出這些建議請國安部作為參考細節的部分我們就請國安部跟您討論我這邊這個質詢到這邊請部長您做一個簡單的回應是跟委員報告我想剛剛您提到的去中心化執管的這樣的一個目標方法手段跟建議都非常的好那也是我們正在進行的一個事項 |
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那細節的部分我們可以私下再跟您做個說明我覺得這個部分都是我們現在在進行的那台灣之盾的部分我們現在有成立一個專案辦公室那當然就是如您所講的它的目標就是要 |
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要整合現有自製跟外製以及未來可能取得的部分我們來規劃用自動化的C8ISR的系統來結合這個AI的技術然後來連結各式的雷達融會為各式武器的一個擊殺網我們建構一個全方位多層次跟整合式的一個 |
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整體的飛盪防禦系統那這個部分我們整體規劃能夠在公開的時候我們會向蔡委員做一個報告 |