| IVOD_ID |
166955 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166955 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-36,35-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-08T09:18:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-08T09:32:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/125fd21c0e10f543f4412830d17fb20e067a41bab2fb0fea336b50e104cbbb44b919a22b82dabb035ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:18:17 - 09:32:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查
（一）行政院函請審議「陸海空軍刑法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員林宜瑾等18人擬具「陸海空軍刑法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員王定宇等16人擬具「陸海空軍刑法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員張雅琳等18人擬具「陸海空軍刑法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員李坤城等 19 人擬具「陸海空軍刑法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
【第（一）案如經院會復議，則不予審查；第（五）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】） |
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麻煩有請副部長請官部副部長 |
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今天站在這邊質詢心情非常的沉重軍人當然有對國家效忠的忠誠義務但是但是掌握權力的人要問問我們給這些冒險犯難的國軍弟兄給了什麼 |
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此時此刻有關於新上位的收入救工作還在進行我相信所有的人跟我一樣希望他能夠安全獲救過去這十年每一次 |
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我們的飛官墜機了不管是社會的輿論還是新聞的報導熟悉的畫面一樣的歷程一次又一次的上演F16過去舊的機型我們編了非常高的預算要提升它的戰能在2018年 |
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吳彥廷少校在五分三撞三之後2022年陳毅少校又再加一最寒現在是2026年我們迎來的是一次又一次的悲劇 |
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2018年發生了這個事故了以後空軍告訴全台灣人民要檢討要面對在檢討面對的同時我們也看到了針對F16的戰機在美國 |
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發展出來了AutoGCAS的系統對於陷入Glock的飛行員它所產生實際的效用過去這幾年12個美國的飛行員因為有這樣的系統在最後一刻挽救了他們的生命2018年 |
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國防部說我們也要裝大家都贊成大家都贊成因為沒有什麼比我們這一些空軍優秀的飛行員更重要的資產把飛機救回來都還是其次把我們優秀的飛官救回來才是重點那一年預算 |
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追加了106億大家都贊成追加了106億大家都贊成所以要加裝自動防撞系統這是2018年的事情這是2018年的事情本來規劃2022年要完成飛撤2023年要執行安裝 |
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這不是我說的這是國防部自己說的結果呢跳票跳票2023年國防部提到立法院的解凍報告說什麼2024年要完成安裝測試再度跳票再度跳票 |
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每到一段時間透過媒體放消息做大內宣非常會什麼時候才願意誠實的告訴國人我們面對的情況到底是什麼什麼時候才肯誠實的告訴我們第一線冒險犯案的非官們他們承受的風險是什麼 |
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要錢立法院什麼時候少給過什麼時候少給過重點是 錢給了錢也付了然後呢然後呢我昨天晚上一直在想這整件事到底怎麼發生的因為是深夜 |
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可以陪我聊天的只有AI我跟他討論了非常久他最後給我的結論是這一些行政上面的延宕採購交貨的延宕已經成為我們非官最大的風險來源副部長 贊不贊成贊成誰該負責任 |
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如果你也贊成延宕已經是我們非關最大的風險下一個問題誰該負責任我要跟委員解釋一下有關這一個自動防撞系統我們原先使用的F16的兩個兩棟的非空電腦它是類比式的一個架構我知道在你們給立法院的報告提過我全部都拜讀過了 |
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從第一天開始這個問題就提出來了在立法院的解凍報告也都洋洋灑灑寫過了我都拜讀過了 我都拜讀過了所以我要跟委員報告就是說目前美方他重新開發這個自動式防撞系統他必須要開發類比式跟數位式的非控電腦同步來進行 |
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那現在他這個開發出來的系統 目前在測試當中所以我們跟美軍的BUG兩棟型的飛控電腦他一樣是同步來進行一個班修的一個動作但是目前這個系統我們付了多少錢因為我把預算書啊 好幾年的預算書我一年一年翻 你們全部都是Lumsum放在一起 |
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上一次追加是追加一百多億這一百多億裡面有多少是在付這個防狀系統接著聯合報寫以付款零進度聯合報寫的對不對他這個供期是從沒關係啊 先一個問題一個問題來 付了多少錢還是這是國家機密台灣納稅人不能知道我們付了多少錢 |
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付了多少錢當時第一次是有關全案的金額是1100億針對防撞系統付了多少錢1100億全部拿來付防撞系統不可能吧後續第四次修正的時候是1359億元你還是沒有回答我的問題 |
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這防撞系統要一千多億你要嚇死人喔因為它這一個迸展系統它包含了好幾個部分我知道嘛 就很多東西加在一起嘛現在我具體的問這個防撞系統付了多少錢半導飛彈它全部在這一個專案裡面所以我們現在買東西喔是都輕輕的做費一次喊價沒有每一個單項的價目 |
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我們現在對媒採購已經變這樣嗎東西倒倒的 1000多億每一個多少錢 不知道我們現在對媒採購已經變成這樣了嗎我跟委員再做說明一下有關這一個遠測遙控飛彈跟自動防撞系統它這兩個案子併在一起一共是1402億元1402億 是 |
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防撞系統多少錢你現在不知道就對了這是國家機密嗎沒有這兩個案子當時是一併在這個一千多億建案裡面一併去檢討付了一千多億這包含到我們整個這一個遠側的遙控飛彈是在這個同一個案項裡面錢付了 |
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但是我要跟委員報告因為這一個目前來說這個防撞系統在數位式他目前是沒有問題但是在舊式的Block兩棟的系統他是類比式所以美軍的國民兵沒有啦我再說一次啦我再說一次啦什麼數位式類比式專業的東西交給專業的人處理納粹人關心的是什麼 |
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國軍要提升裝備要升級我再講一次立法院該給的錢從來沒有少過台灣的納稅人沒有辦法理解的事情是錢付了東西在哪裡一而再 再而三的延宕 |
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全部的很爽快 什麼時候拿到貨不知道委員報告因為現在美軍的類比是他目前的防狀系統他也沒有完成所以這個系統到底能不能用大家都不知道就對了他目前同步在進行當中對嘛 現在我困惑就更大囉針對一個到底可不可以work的系統我們付了一千多億 結果這個系統到底能不能work |
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到底能不能轉換成功我們不知道當初是怎麼評估的這個部分目前已經有進度了我是空運的作戰副參謀長在這邊跟委員做說明Autogeekers這個系統我們主要分為三個部分第一個是限速要做更新第二個部分是非超電腦的軟體要做提升第三個部分就是實際上非超的電腦 |
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這個部分呢在第一個項目限速的部分我們總共要完成的目標是140架包含在美國路克那邊的Morris基地的14架那目前包含美國跟國內已經完成118架的限速的安裝然後這個部分會在今年全部出來做完成那另外兩項的部分也就是飛超新的飛超軟體 |
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以及這個飛超電腦的部分會在115年的也就是今年的年終第二季的時候美方會提供會完成初步的測試然後會陸續的來實施安裝那目前規劃在最快是在116年的第四季最快是116年的第四季 第二階段 |
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不是 116年的第四季是最快是全部完成最快 2027年的第四季包含這三項的安裝對嘛 現在你告訴大家的最快的進度是2027年的第四季我再提醒你一次喔2018年2020年2026年我為什麼講這三年 |
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我為什麼講這三年兩個罹難了 一個還在找你們每一次的paperwork每一次送來立法院的paperwork容我直說 容我直說寫的我不曉得是太樂觀還是完全沒有信心全部都在含糊其詞 |
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我們看到的不是一而再再而三的跳票我們不忍的是我們的非官面對今天副部長所承認的最大的風險竟然是我們行政的延宕我不知道沒有講是行政的延宕因為我們在按照沒有關係 採購的延宕也可以看你要用什麼延宕你們今天在我詢答的時間 |
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沒有足夠的時間好好講沒有關係啊我非常希望今天國防部慎重開一個記者會好好跟全體國人講我們付出去的錢我們付出去的錢這些東西到底還要多久才拿得到好 謝謝黃國昌委 |