| IVOD_ID |
166944 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166944 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-07T12:15:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-07T12:24:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8a4de0f3676b468fbd372713a124f383781827afd94ae333a2318d3e8cde50e921ed209aa7b9337e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:15:40 - 12:24:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查行政院函請審議「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。二、繼續審查委員陳冠廷等21人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。三、繼續審查委員沈伯洋等17人擬具「國家安全法第十三條及第十三條之一條文修正草案」案。四、繼續審查委員陳冠廷等23人擬具「國家安全法第四條及第八條條文修正草案」案。五、繼續審查委員邱志偉等16人擬具「國家安全法第三條條文修正草案」案。六、繼續審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。七、繼續審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。八、繼續審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「國家安全法第三條、第八條及第十八條條文修正草案」案。九、繼續審查委員陳冠廷等19人擬具「國家安全法增訂第十九條之一條文草案」案。十、繼續審查委員黃捷等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條、第三條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「國家安全法第十三條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。十四、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「國家安全法第七條、第八條及第八條之一條文修正草案」案。十五、審查委員邱志偉等19人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十六、審查委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「國家安全法增訂第十三條之一條文草案」案。十七、審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十八、審查委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十九、審查委員郭昱晴等18人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。二十、審查委員李坤城等16人擬具「國家安全法第四條及第四條之一條文修正草案」案。二十一、審查委員徐富癸等20人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。二十二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具「國家安全法第六條條文修正草案」案。二十三、審查委員李坤城等19人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。【詢答及處理；第一案、第二十一案及第二十二案如經復議則不予審查；第二十三案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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好 謝謝主席麻煩有請法務部的政次以及內政部的政次法務部內政部委員好 市長好二零二五年五月立法院終於三讀通過不法關說罪以前在台灣有權有勢的政治人物關說司法是沒有罪的荒謬自己 |
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也正是因為這個樣子啊 邱泰山當初去關說司法幫富商找桃園高檢署的檢察長去大車輪日本料理啊關說完了以後回去施壓基層的檢察官才沒有辦法被追究法律責任但是這個時代已經結束了因為今年五月立法院三讀通過了不法關說罪 |
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利用權勢利用位置去關說檢察官跟法官的通通會落入不法官說罪刑罰要處罰的範圍這裡的法官來請教一下法務部的次長包括大法官包括大法官嘛媒體報導憲法法庭的運作 |
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府院找了跟蔡中正有深交的黨政高層跟他溝通踢到了鐵板這件事情法務委有沒有掌握委員已經告發這個別檢已經分案正辦 |
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真的有在辦嗎 還是放著給他睡包委員 這個具體個案 我們部裡面是不介入沒有啦 看你們部裡面 針對具體個案到底介入不介入 或者是講不講 那要看看是什麼案 牽涉到什麼顏色的 |
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你們檢察司啊 之前就發布過新聞稿啊針對具體個案指手畫腳啊啊你說你具體個案不介入 沒有關係 我尊重你我質詢的重點是什麼 我質詢的重點就大家等著看看台北地檢署要睡到什麼時候看台北地檢署要睡到什麼時候但很有趣的事情啊 是 |
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總統府的發言人出來否認啊說這個媒體根本沒有查證啊亂寫那顯然是假新聞啊亂寫發布假訊息假新聞啊竟然敢汙止我們的府院找黨政高層去關說大法官啊這種假訊息依照社會資訊維護法要不要處罰來請教一下內政部 |
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報告委員 這個部分是不是假訊息要認定啊對 你們有打算要認定嗎因為只有一個答案嘛如果有 那法務部就要動起來嘛如果總統府發言人講的是對的那顯然這個媒體報導是假的訊息嘛所以要處罰嘛所以假訊息我們不予評論啦因為這媒體的報告先停一下齁 社會資訊維護法針對假訊息要不要處罰目前是以這個散佈假訊息來講是有處分對啊 |
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但是媒體的報導我們尊重媒體報導所以你的意思是說社會資訊維護法對於媒體而言是絕緣就對了如果媒體上過假訊息的話社會資訊維護法是不罰的您的高見是這樣嗎媒體是第四權我們尊重媒體的自主 |
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所以社會資訊維護法如果媒體散播假訊息是不罰的你的意思是怎樣我們如果罰媒體的話變成是社會上輿論大法這個是不可行沒有啦 我們一件事情一件事情來啦台灣是法治國家啦法律怎麼解釋這件事情啊不是你們就說了算為什麼大家對行政機關給他們這麼高的權限大家會有疑慮嘛 |
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媒體如果每天都要去罰的話那我們罰不完啊所以我再問一次嘛按照內政部的立場社會資訊維護法是不是不會處罰媒體 |
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我們目前對媒體的報導我們尊重我們不予處理所以社會資訊維護法是不是把媒體排除在規範的範圍之外是還是不是 報仁不是這樣子的媒體如果 聽你講就是這個樣子啊媒體如果有涉及到不法還是會有當事人去告發現在問題就來了吧 |
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告發是刑事犯罪嘛剛法務部次長講得很清楚嘛如果是行政法就不關法務部的事嘛那我現在的問題來啦社會秩序維護法的主管機關是誰內政部啊是內政部所以我請教你嘛我請教你內政部媒體散播假訊息 |
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你要不要用社會秩序維護法處理你說媒體是第四權不會用社會秩序維護法處理所以我才進一步提降一下對 內政部的法律高見社會秩序維護法對象 |
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拜託喔 社會資訊維護法你不是說主管機關室內政部嗎怎麼又扯到NCC去了你不能這樣子解讀這個法律因為社會資訊維護法對媒體本身我們是尊重是你不能夠要我們去處理媒體的言論對所以嘛我才問你最後的結論嘛社會資訊維護法對媒體來講這是決定題嘛 |
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不是絕緣體 而是說我們尊重媒體的第四權 自主權是 所以呢如果他媒體散播假訊息的時候被這部也不會用社會資訊媒體是不是散播假訊息我們沒辦法認定因為他有他的信息來源總統府發言人都出來啦這假訊息耶 |
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總統府發言人講的耶總統府發言人沒有講假訊息三個字他沒有講這三個字他說沒有查證啊沒有查證不一定是假訊息喔 說得非常的好 來法務部的次長請上來內政部的次長講得很清楚囉沒有查證並不代表是假訊息喔好好辦啦 認真辦啦我等著北檢看什麼時候要辦第二個 再往下做 |
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洩漏偵查中因秘密的文書是不是違法是不是如果有符合刑法132條洩漏國防以外之秘密的話會構成刑責會嘛 好 來現在我就看不懂了我們國家要打詐結果檢察官把偵查中因秘密的事項洩漏給他男朋友詐團的律師啊然後呢 |
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第一個時間桃園地檢署說沒有影響到偵查因為偵查已經終結我那個時候質詢桃園地檢署才匆匆的要分案偵辦結果自己簽結檢評會的協同意見看不下去 |
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434.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
463.196 |
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然後現在懲戒法院也看不下去懲戒法院直接在判決理由就直接寫了洩露偵查中 陰秘密的事項現在法務部是要辦還是不要辦還是尊重桃園地檢署牽結的結果我上次問法務部部長他的答案讓我非常的驚訝尊重桃園地檢署牽結的結果現在是檢察官洩密給詐團然後官官相護 |
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464.673 |
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493.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
就這樣牽結法務部也沒有態度也沒有立場是這樣嗎法務委員我們已經行文給桃園地檢署請他們依法裁處是要自己判斷是不是要偵辦你們已經行文給桃園地檢署了嗎好沒關係我們接著看桃園地檢署第二個上一次法務部部長跟我說這樣的檢察官他認為已經不適任了針對這個懲戒法院最後只罰錢了事 |
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495.556 |
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514.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
這樣的判決法務部接下來有什麼相應的作為那這個部分的話對於那個懲戒法案的判決結果我們會依法上訴會依法上訴嘛 好好上訴喔希望上訴了以後有不同的結果要不然我們打詐打得這麼辛苦檢察官洩密給詐團 |
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517.018 |
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531.49 |
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結果自己人桃園地檢署牽結最後出來只罰縫還讓他繼續當檢察官我是看不下去啦我是看不下去啦希望這件事情法務部站穩立場站穩立場嚴肅的追究法律責任謝謝 |