| IVOD_ID |
166943 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166943 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-07T12:08:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-07T12:15:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8a4de0f3676b468f45e0aa076cad5541781827afd94ae333a2318d3e8cde50e9fa3316d3cb12b9b35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:08:51 - 12:15:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查行政院函請審議「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。二、繼續審查委員陳冠廷等21人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。三、繼續審查委員沈伯洋等17人擬具「國家安全法第十三條及第十三條之一條文修正草案」案。四、繼續審查委員陳冠廷等23人擬具「國家安全法第四條及第八條條文修正草案」案。五、繼續審查委員邱志偉等16人擬具「國家安全法第三條條文修正草案」案。六、繼續審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。七、繼續審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。八、繼續審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「國家安全法第三條、第八條及第十八條條文修正草案」案。九、繼續審查委員陳冠廷等19人擬具「國家安全法增訂第十九條之一條文草案」案。十、繼續審查委員黃捷等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條、第三條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「國家安全法第十三條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。十四、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「國家安全法第七條、第八條及第八條之一條文修正草案」案。十五、審查委員邱志偉等19人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十六、審查委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「國家安全法增訂第十三條之一條文草案」案。十七、審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十八、審查委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十九、審查委員郭昱晴等18人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。二十、審查委員李坤城等16人擬具「國家安全法第四條及第四條之一條文修正草案」案。二十一、審查委員徐富癸等20人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。二十二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具「國家安全法第六條條文修正草案」案。二十三、審查委員李坤城等19人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。【詢答及處理；第一案、第二十一案及第二十二案如經復議則不予審查；第二十三案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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法務部是徐政事法務部司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳司法院刑事廳 |
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或是司法院刑事廳的黃法官為什麼共諜他在這個案子全國矚目但是最後的結果是輕判是法律規定不明確還是相關的問題所造成的我想聽一下徐政策的意見 |
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我想檢察官就具體個案還是會詳實的來收證跟論述啦那也要具體求刑來監督法院的判決那如果說有兩行顯然是偏輕的我們都會依法定的程序來處理那 |
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有時候我們也發現說院檢是必須辦案人員要有交流跟教育訓練那這一個部分司法院應該也都有積極的在做訓練跟交流我想讓大家能夠理解它的危害性這個保護部跟這個司法院對於說國安案件的這些相關的審理的風險認知有一定的落差 |
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您的意見我了解那那個刑事廳刑事廳黃法官您的意見為什麼都是跟起訴跟最後判刑的結果有那麼大的落差 |
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是 報告委員齁那我現在就先跟委員報告一下關於這個 關於判刑的部分那我這邊手邊的資料上面顯示齁那就我們如果就光就最高法院這邊來看的話就違反國安法的第七條跟第八條部分目前我們判處超過七年以上有期徒刑不是沒有 是有的那有四件然後超過十年的還有兩件所以其實也不是說完全沒有重刑是有 那當然我們就是回歸個案來看比例上是因為輕判比較多嘛 |
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對比例上的話當然是輕判是比較多那我們就是尊重個案法官的決定因為還是要從個案來看那就是這邊是目前手上的數據跟委員來報告這樣子 謝謝 |
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那在法律的這個有沒有需要補強的部分法律的內容有沒有需要補強的部分 |
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法律部分的話當然就是國安法這部分的那個知識部分會要求那另外還有就是比較就是個別譬如說像說有關營業秘密啦或是說有關一些比較更技術上的一個層面的這部分的知識的部分的話我們在搭配課程設計上都會安排這邊軍事國安法官讓他們針對不同領域的部分讓他們了解可能什麼叫核心技術或是什麼叫做營業秘密這部分那他們這樣協助他們這樣在個案上處理會比較清楚認知 |
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那比較不會有一個不清楚的判斷這樣子就是說我的這個提案的部分是國安法第二條現行條文是緊究發起自治組織操縱指揮或發展組織有明文禁止那沒有將這個參與的行為納入規範如果修法把這個參與的樣態把它這個納入規範是這個不裡面的看法 |
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對 我們現在就是在草案裡面規劃就是在第二條的第二款加入參與前項組織而且要足以生危害於國家安全或社會安定我們把參與的這個部分也要規範到所以法務部也贊成是那另外這個共諜法案組織這個犯罪的形態當中現行的法律對未遂跟預備的認定如何 |
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我們現在目前只處罰未遂預備的話是沒有處罰如果是參與算不算預備參與的話不處罰未遂那這樣子你現在只對未遂有處罰那預備有沒有更明確的沒有沒有預備在法條原來的法條就沒有了那第7條的部分 |
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第七條部分以具體危害結果作為犯罪成立的要件我也提案的修法第七條那執法機關他往往在做判決的時候已經要帶國家安全以及有私事損害才能介入處理所以這個部分對國家安全的管理這個預防這個邏輯好像不太通 |
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我想這個法律的設計當然是保護國家安全那是也會某程度也會限制人民的一些權利在平衡點我們要抓到我應該是從嚴規範嘛這個要確保人權的情況之下你要從嚴規範嘛 |
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這個已經算是我們對這個國家安全我們有特別的一個規範了已經算是特別的規範了如果國家安全實質損害啊那是很嚴重的事情你才能介入對不對對他這個組織如果足以讓國家影響到國家安全危害到國家安全或國家安全跟社會安定的話就是已經構成犯罪了 |
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我還有一個問題要請教我在六年十四年一向是遵守時間時間到就要停止諮詢這是對行政部門一個基本的尊重好謝謝 |