| IVOD_ID |
166941 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166941 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-36,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-07T12:30:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-07T12:40:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8a4de0f3676b468f5b280727b02ba60091c86f7578002990a2318d3e8cde50e9beabdca209669a6e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:30:04 - 12:40:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、併案審查行政院函請審議「衛生福利部組織法第二條、第五條及第八條條文修正草案」案等10案。
二、併案審查行政院函請審議「衛生福利部兒少及家庭支持署組織法草案」案等7案。
三、併案審查行政院函請審議「衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署組織法草案」案等6案。
四、併案審查行政院函請審議「衛生福利部中央健康保險署組織法第二條條文修正草案」案等5案。
五、併案審查行政院函請審議「國家醫療科技評估中心設置條例草案」案等4案。
六、併案審查行政院函請審議「國家中醫研究院設置條例草案」案等10案。
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謝主席 有請施部長請施崇良部長部長各位好對 去年我在未還的時候應該是5月28號那一天我在提出這個質詢的時候我有特別提到台灣額頭的政策資源太過於分散了然後而且坦白講已經到混亂的一個局面了然後實際上就是這樣嘛0到20歲 |
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就是托育是歸屬社家屬二到六歲幼兒園是在教育部管然後兒童安置歸社家屬兒童受虐又受這個是保護師在管然後另外像負責凱凱案的收出養的兒童聯盟是教育部管轄的文教單位然後其他還有內政部的少婦會警政署的護幼隊兒少政策支援分散代各部會 |
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實在是 實在是 權責不清到極點的情況之下所以我今天是要這樣啦我來引用日本在2023年成立的這個兒童家庭廳的例子給部長 還有給相關單位做參考那日本是透過成立這個兒家廳不僅將兒童的資源來做 進行整額同時它 它本身也就是日本少子化對策的一個非常重要的機關這個部長知道嗎 |
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我知道 你知道 OK我在這邊要先感謝賴總統 院長還有幫忙部長可以在這麼要積極努力之下用最快速度提出這個兒少及家庭支持署的組織法的草案並且在今天我們司法跟衛環的聯席下來排審 要進行審查但我用這個 |
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日本聽 日本的這個兒童聽的這個相關的組織法來對照我們今天要提出來的 我們自己的組織法那其中有一些文字 也請部長看一下頭影片有紅字的部分 部長是不是可以唸出來紅字 那是日文耶日文你可以唸成中文我要唸中文的3號 當然可以內袋嚕房子 內袋嚕房子 |
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少子化的客服對 少子化的客服嘛他們在他們的職長事項裡面把這兩項放進去也就是說日本已經將這個防止兒童 兒虐然後還有因應少子化問題具體入法那歸屬在他們的兒童家庭庭裡面這是很明確的嘛然後 |
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職長項目把它調列出來那我們的兒童的這個支援署咧 支持署咧在什麼地方 有嗎如果是這個兒虐的那個虐待那個就是兒虐喔兒虐的這個防治的部分應該會是在我們未來的工作業務裡面是有的啦現在主要是在保護服務師我們會移到這個兒少級家庭署裡面來 |
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不是喔 部長這個草案應該你都有過目過了吧你如果要講的是應該是在我們兒家屬未來職長事項的第二條第一項第二款也就是說兒童少年保護安置與照顧政策之規劃對不對 然後推動執行及相關的法規的原定應該是這樣所以我們條文的思維就是停留在保護安置與照顧防止額略 沒有 |
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就是沒有啊 |
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然後這基本上是事後處理的狀態雖然我們寫的是保護啦其實它是三級預防的概念所以有前面的一級預防 那個是有只是文字上我們寫的沒有那麼把它直接寫出來其實現在的業務就是在這個保護服務師裡面是有的防止額略釋放在保護的範疇裡面對 就是 |
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對 在三級 三級的保護 整個範疇是合起來的三級預防啦 我們叫做三級預防你看 對 好 如果成如你所講的也OK但是你看日本的這個兒童廳 它是直接把房子虐待是入法條 非常清楚然後把少子化的客戶也入法條 也非常清楚那我們為什麼要這麼保守 |
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如果文字上要讓它凸顯出來當然我們也可以在未來主條的時候去討論我請部長思考一下啦好不好這個給你們做一個參照嘛參考的依據嘛不只這樣啦日本還寫了什麼值得我們參考我在這邊挑三項其實它雖然是日文它下面還有中文的翻譯確保地區中兒童適當之遊戲與生活場域這是第一項 |
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這個是很多人都認同的重要長期以來它也是被忽略的項目當我們衛福部還在思維還停留在保護的時候安置照顧的時候其實人家日本已經走到關注兒童有沒有適當的遊戲與生活的場域而且是正式入伙 |
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是用法律的層次來保障兒童必須要有適當的遊戲與生活的場域這是第一項那第二項就防止霸凌等事項建構保安諮商這個體制在內的地區資源體系 |
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而且都還是條文化這個條文不只是防止惡虐包含防止霸凌通通是入法因為這入法的必要性是因為可能來自師長、長輩或同儕間的這樣的一個霸凌那第三個是促進兒童育兒家庭以及孕產婦及其他生育相關女性之福祉應該要做到很遠了 |
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範圍真的很廣而且全部把它納入在他們的條裡面了我不曉得部長有沒有看到這麼細這個是跟各國立法體力有點差異當然會有差異因為我們的立法都是比較 |
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在組織法的部分都是比較概括性的這個法規然後執行的部分會落到我們的處務規程裡面去制定比較詳細的部分包含主科它的任務是什麼那如果要寫到那麼細那怕說這個文字上這個 |
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會很冗長啦我們是把它我們的立法例都是比較概括性的然後在處務規程裡面再去細緻地把它列出來我們委員會開了六次嘛應該部長也有參與到一半的時間嘛那你看俄托華在整個審查過程裡面 |
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相關的草案其實坦白講也是非常細喔也不能太過於抽象喔也不能太過於文字上就涵蓋一切嘛那不可能嘛對不對所以今天我們要兒小組要來成立那基本上我想可以細緻到把它相關的一些權利相關的一些保障相關的一些預防都可以在法條的程式上去彰顯出來我覺得這不為過了 |
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這不會過 你再看嘛我想這個邏輯 日本這個邏輯譴責意見沒有兒童就沒有兒家屬的成立的必要性那除了保障兒童權利外還是要讓大家敢生願意生 可以生才符合我們兒家屬成立的這樣的一個核心目的所以你看喔他們的兒童家庭聽了組織法明文規定還規定什麼營造能對結婚生育育兒抱持希望之社會環境這個該抽象吧 |
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然後並針對客戶少子化之基本政策事項進行規劃研擬及綜合協調我們有沒有沒有啦 |
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沒有啦,所以今天開場牌的時候就能再問你燒紙化辦公室的問題啊這個事情如果我們可以入法那基本上也不需要什麼燒紙化辦公室啦在我們的兒家屬裡面就可以來解決,來做處理啦齁我要讓看你,對不起啊,主席對不對,好啊齁看一個,最後一個數據你看這個台灣出車能否持續下降而且是,而且是最來勢的下降了農年的時候才13萬多114年11月份9萬多 |
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有可能會跌破到11萬喔今年還沒有統計出來那像這個情況之下今天俄家族的成立包含額內的防止包含少子化相關的一些因應包含營造友善的環境的情況之下是不是在這個俄家族裡面的組織法裡面我們可以把它參照日本相關的這樣的立法例來做一個更精準的這樣的一個組織的一個修法來訂定 可以嗎 |
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我們不要那個事後補救行的啦簡單講是這樣啦確實我們應該要往前去做規劃啦但是因為少子女化的問題確實這個層面很廣要用一個兒少署來解決這個少子女化的問題恐怕是比較困難但是我們就是剛好要修這個組織我們一定要修這個組織我們就盡可能的讓兒家屬 |
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整個那個內力內功可以達到某種程度啦當然不是一個兒家屬可以解決所有事情這個我當然非常清楚嘛 |
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我剛剛點出了幾項 是不是可以納入在這次的有幾個部分我一直覺得本來就是應該要納入的啦那只是說要不要文字上做做明確的這樣的修訂我們再看看來酌一下這個文字 好 因為題義上是確實是比較不一樣就請部長可以慎重來這樣的思考 儘量把它納入啦可不可以 好 謝謝謝謝我們劉建國委員 |