| IVOD_ID |
166925 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166925 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-07T11:25:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-07T11:30:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:04:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8a4de0f3676b468feec96a4f86619e94781827afd94ae333a2318d3e8cde50e96455311a68b89ff25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃建賓 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:25:44 - 11:30:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查行政院函請審議「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。二、繼續審查委員陳冠廷等21人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。三、繼續審查委員沈伯洋等17人擬具「國家安全法第十三條及第十三條之一條文修正草案」案。四、繼續審查委員陳冠廷等23人擬具「國家安全法第四條及第八條條文修正草案」案。五、繼續審查委員邱志偉等16人擬具「國家安全法第三條條文修正草案」案。六、繼續審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。七、繼續審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。八、繼續審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「國家安全法第三條、第八條及第十八條條文修正草案」案。九、繼續審查委員陳冠廷等19人擬具「國家安全法增訂第十九條之一條文草案」案。十、繼續審查委員黃捷等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條、第三條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「國家安全法第十三條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。十四、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「國家安全法第七條、第八條及第八條之一條文修正草案」案。十五、審查委員邱志偉等19人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十六、審查委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「國家安全法增訂第十三條之一條文草案」案。十七、審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十八、審查委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十九、審查委員郭昱晴等18人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。二十、審查委員李坤城等16人擬具「國家安全法第四條及第四條之一條文修正草案」案。二十一、審查委員徐富癸等20人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。二十二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具「國家安全法第六條條文修正草案」案。二十三、審查委員李坤城等19人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。【詢答及處理；第一案、第二十一案及第二十二案如經復議則不予審查；第二十三案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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謝謝主席 我想有請那個法務部跟訴發部法務部 訴發部餵好 答案今天是我們國家安全法的這個修正的這個審查那本席首先要強調 |
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維護國家安全絕對是朝野立委的共識但關鍵的是什麼 關鍵是行政院跟民進黨立委現在提出的修法的版本還有許多的法條有抵觸憲法規範的疑慮尤其是針對國人言論自由造成非常大的傷害 |
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那然而在今天排診之前完全沒有舉辦公聽會那缺乏跟社會各界的這個溝通也沒有聆聽專家學者的聲音沒有辦法達成一些共識那我想如果貿然的修法衝擊到的是人民網路的自由還有言論的自由那因此國民黨團強烈主張必須要先安排公聽會那匯集專家學者的這個意見那我們凝聚社會的這個共識再來做後續的審查的這個動作那本席在這邊也要肯定我們完美會召委 |
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願意聽進不同的聲音宣告先安排公聽會之後我們再行審查那在這裡我也要告訴全體的國人為什麼這樣倉促的修法會有非常大的問題行政院版的這個第四條之一就明令規定就是說只要政府認定你未來在網路的PO文內容是有錯過虛假就可以對該內容限制瀏覽移除甚至刪除你的帳號 |
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而如果業者你不願意配合或者是不願意提供政府相關的資料就要處以將近百萬元的這個罰款那簡單來說這是打著國安法的名義來做言論的這個審查網路的鑑的知識那未來只要政府對民眾的批評言論感到不滿就可以直接說你是假訊息然後要求網路平台 |
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刪文甚至刪除你的帳號那重點來了要怎麼認定標準是什麼我們完全沒有看到你有明確的說明就是一個標準就是說是不是民進黨政府就說了算了那剛剛齊大偉有提到像去年五月份的這個高雄的一個案例就是一個曾經女子在網路上問了我們監察院長的這個身體狀況然後 |
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警方就火速辦到現場逮人但還好最後我們法官認定是他只是表達個人的意願因此裁定這個不法但問題是說如果今天政見版的這個國安法通過之後可能這位陳姓女子的下場就不一樣了這是以後其他的民眾是不是只要在網路上發表他不利於政府或是執政黨內容 |
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或是只要讓政府不開心政府不但可以強迫你言論下架刪除帳號還可以強迫網路業者把你的個資交出來讓相關單位拿著國安法上門抓人我想這是民眾擔心的事情因此我想這一條法如果萬一通過那全民查水表的時代可能就要來臨了那嚴重破壞人民的這個言論自由跟個人隱私我想沒有辦法想像在這個我們現在這個民主自由的時代才會有這麼威權的這個法制 |
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那我這邊要分享一句很有名的經典名言就是說我不同意你的意見但我適時捍衛你說話的權利這個是要傳達什麼 傳達我們言論自由精神蔡英文總統在任內也宣布每年的4月7號是言論自由日但是現在民進黨的做法是倒行逆施 大開民主 言論自由倒車本席這邊也要呼籲民進黨政府不要忘記過去我們共同努力的一個理念就是不要用 |
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抗中保台的意識形態去毀民主先進犧牲自己換來的言論自由最後本席這邊要再次強調從去年五月審查國安法開始我們法務部就在意見中表達多次表達這個見請在左嘛 是不是那意思是什麼 就是認為這個條文有疑慮那當時法務部面對國民黨委員質詢的時候也認為說應該要召開公聽會 |
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然後聽聽各界的專家協議者的意見那直到現在我們保護部針對修法的意見的書面說明還是多次的表達見請在左我們就是希望能夠再遵循其他機關專的意見意思是這個修法就連我們保護部都還是認為說有地方有些爭議因此我想對於這次的修法可能會衝擊到人民的言論自由內政委員會絕對要先召開公聽會 |
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我們來聆聽各界的意見之後我們再來逐條審查我們不要接受這種意識形態的修法最後是破壞了人民的自由那我想絕對不能讓惡法造成台灣人民自由的倒退那以上也謝謝主席今天的採取 謝謝 |