| IVOD_ID |
166920 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166920 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-07T10:36:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-07T10:44:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8a4de0f3676b468f4f65aafd963aff76781827afd94ae333a2318d3e8cde50e98401a8fd86e0fba65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:36:46 - 10:44:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查行政院函請審議「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。二、繼續審查委員陳冠廷等21人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。三、繼續審查委員沈伯洋等17人擬具「國家安全法第十三條及第十三條之一條文修正草案」案。四、繼續審查委員陳冠廷等23人擬具「國家安全法第四條及第八條條文修正草案」案。五、繼續審查委員邱志偉等16人擬具「國家安全法第三條條文修正草案」案。六、繼續審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。七、繼續審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。八、繼續審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「國家安全法第三條、第八條及第十八條條文修正草案」案。九、繼續審查委員陳冠廷等19人擬具「國家安全法增訂第十九條之一條文草案」案。十、繼續審查委員黃捷等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條、第三條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「國家安全法第十三條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。十四、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「國家安全法第七條、第八條及第八條之一條文修正草案」案。十五、審查委員邱志偉等19人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十六、審查委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「國家安全法增訂第十三條之一條文草案」案。十七、審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十八、審查委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十九、審查委員郭昱晴等18人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。二十、審查委員李坤城等16人擬具「國家安全法第四條及第四條之一條文修正草案」案。二十一、審查委員徐富癸等20人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。二十二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具「國家安全法第六條條文修正草案」案。二十三、審查委員李坤城等19人擬具「國家安全法部分條文修正草案」案。【詢答及處理；第一案、第二十一案及第二十二案如經復議則不予審查；第二十三案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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來有請陸委會副主委請陸委會副主委 |
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副主委一定有很多話想說那我們一步一步來其實今天也是感謝網美會召委安排這個來審查國家安全法的草案那國民黨居然提出要遵守憲法那國民黨居然提出要 |
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真開公聽會 這不就是我們過去兩年來一直的主張嗎好 那我們現在來開公聽會 準備來開公聽會但是我還是希望藉由今天的詢答可以讓社會大眾知道我們在處理什麼國安法案副主委我請問你 你有沒有收到消息 |
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中華民國內政部長劉世芳跟教育部長曾英耀剛剛被國台辦宣布為台獨頑固分子是 我們知道 |
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這是最新的消息我們目前台灣的有哪一些方式我們目前這一個今天的幾個修法裡面有哪幾個法案我們希望可以針對協力者或者是可能會針對台灣的國家安全造成影響的這幾條我們有什麼方式可以來處理 第一個 |
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在上個會期的時候我曾經質詢那就是有一個不明的APP那他的名義是投誠歸家他每天都會上傳今天台北市有幾個人投誠了 |
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今天新北市有幾個人又登記投誠了投誠到中華人民共和國了這個APP你知道嗎這個我知道那我們現在如果沒有修法的情況下這個APP我們要怎麼處理 |
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目前我們所知道這個APP還沒有正式的上市它應該還是屬於測試的階段它會層次不窮但是如果它一旦出現以我們目前的法律來說是沒有辦法拿它毫無辦法所以我們要修這個國安法當你不會看到一個APP出現的時候說剩你們這是少數啦 |
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他這種恐嚇式然後引導式讓台灣人心生恐懼嘛但是目前是沒有辦法所以我們目前陸委會還有法務部內政部我們討論出來的這一個內容我們希望他怎麼樣處理 |
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所以照目前來講我們現在對於網路上的我們只有兒少法或者是屬於那種詐騙案我們就把它認定成詐騙嘛對 但是這樣的認定方法實在是只是一個 |
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只是一個權宜的做法所以實際上我們應該要我們應該要面對問題的核心就是說面對這樣的APP或這樣的網站這樣明確為中共宣傳或明確為這個要消滅中華民國宣傳的這些網站或APP那我們是主張是要在國安法裡面來做一個特別的條文那也就是說我們現在所提出來的第四條之一 |
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那第四條之一它並不是一個刑事上面的法律它是一個行政處罰也就是說我們並不想要它行政處罰的意思就是它沒有牽涉到言論自由你還是可以發表嘛 |
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我的意思是說我們第四條之一就是用緊急等於算是把它當作一個緊急事態然後立刻把它要求相關的單位或是相關的網路平台要把它移除掉很合理啊 當人民遇到詐騙或當國家遇到這個 |
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國家安全的問題當然要及時的把它處理掉是 所以我們第四條之一的寫法跟兒少或者是這個反詐騙法的寫法是類似的我們做法是類似的也就是說它基本上還沒有牽涉到說後面的追訴我們就是用這個處理緊急事件的方式先讓它下架 先讓它移除 |
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那這樣的話才能夠避免傷害進一步發生這樣子對 就是大門大路 就是 人民遇到詐騙我們希望趕快把這個不實廣告訊息下架國家遇到安全問題的時候我們也希望趕快把這些疑似有安全疑慮的問題可以下架 是的 是的好 謝謝 謝謝副主委來 我請法務部次長 副主委請回座 |
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委員好一直被民眾反映 而且是非常激烈的反映那就是說針對今天的第13條的這一個修法那過去很多民眾也反映就是說為什麼這些 比如說退役的將領他可能去到中國然後參加了某一些活動之後那他還可以領月退奉等等的 |
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那我舉兩個案例跟次長討教一下退役軍官前富康聯盟黨主席徐宏毅收受中國資金發展同袍組織拍攝美國在台協會阿里山雷達屏東三軍聯合基地等等目前他有沒有繼續在領月退 |
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這個可能要問人事單位好我跟你說那我再講清楚一點他現在判依國安法判處10年有期徒刑全案可上訴那請問他現在依照還未修法的這個他有沒有辦法領月退還是可以領還是可以領對這個就是大家在罵的地方是那這一次修法裡面我們改變了什麼 |
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行政院提出什麼樣對 這次的修法只要違反所列的這六款的情形包括像剛才講的國安法那我們在第一審宣告判有歧途性以上的話就停止它50%對嘛 停止50%它以後如果清白就還是決定款那以後如果是清白那我們就會再補發 |
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那如果說最後是有罪判決確定的話全部都要交 已經就不再讓他領然後已經領了 從犯罪時間開始以後全部要追回所以第13條其實我們就是針對這一些在一審判決到真正判決他會有一個很冗長的時間嘛那也讓國人的印象就是這些人明明我們就知道他做了這個事情他就在那裡然後但是他還沒有判決確定所以他繼續在領中華民國的這些月退奉嘛 |
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所以我們希望可以明確 也說明清楚把我們在國安法裡面 我們在修正的方向可以跟國人說明清楚 謝謝 |