| IVOD_ID |
16692 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16692 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-19,20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第2次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第2次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-21T08:31:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-21T11:48:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:16:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbc04fde1d52825d890a83d0d18514ced0a12e9ca99aa835c0b2b0cfa8fd0b05805ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第2次聯席會議（事由：繼續審查：
一、行政院函請審議「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案。
二、本院國民黨黨團擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民眾消費韌性特別條例草案」案。
三、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「因應國際情勢衝擊強化經濟社會韌性特別條例草案」案。
四、本院委員蔡易餘等18人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案。
五、本院委員王美惠等17人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案。
六、本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會韌性及促進全民消費特別條例草案」案。
七、本院委員何欣純等19人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案。
八、本院委員翁曉玲等22人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟產業及民生紓困特別條例草案」案。
九、本院委員許宇甄等21人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民眾消費韌性特別條例草案」案。
十、本院委員賴士葆等30人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會韌性特別條例草案」案。
（第六案至第十案業經各黨團簽署不復議同意書。）） |
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響鐘 |
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谢谢大家 |
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請報告出席人數報告聯席會出席委員15人已足法定人數現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第三會期經濟財政兩委員會第一次聯席會議事錄時間114年5月14日星期三九十三分至十五時三十八分地點紅樓101會議室出席人林大化等二十七人列席委員蘇巧慧等十七人列席人員 |
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經濟部政務次長何進昌 財政部政務次長阮清華 勞動部常務次長李成名人 農業部部長陳俊濟 教育部政務次長葉秉成行政院公共工程委員會副主任委員陳偉祥 公安部副部長薄宏輝海洋委員會主任委員管碧玲 內政部政務次長馬世元 衛生福利部政務次長呂健德行政院主計總署主計長陳淑芝等 主席謝家綺委員依奉 討論事項審查 |
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行政院韓情審議因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性特別條例草案等5案台灣事項何必尋答委員賴氏寶及張啟凱說明提案要旨經濟部政務次長何進昌農業部部長陳俊濟財政部政務次長阮清華行政院主計總署主計長陳淑芝及海洋委員會主任委員管碧玲報告後委員林黛嬅等26人提出質詢軍油經濟部政務次長何進昌等及其答覆登記委員處 |
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根據發現委員除不在場者外 其餘均已發言完畢 詢答結束委員陳玉珍 邱振軍 閻光恆 翁曉林 蘇星權 王美惠 徐以珍及牛許廷所提書面質詢略略記錄 刊登公報書面質詢懷疑及答覆部分 請相關單位一一周內以書面答覆並複製本會決議 詢答結束 令定期積極審查 散會 詢問完畢繼續進行討論事項請宣讀 |
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考核事項繼續審查1行政行政審議因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性特別條例草案2本應國民黨黨團理據因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民眾消費任性特別條例草案3本應台灣民眾黨黨團理據因應國際情勢衝擊 |
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1937.962 |
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強化經濟社會韌性特別條例查案4.本應委員蔡玉宇等18人擬拒因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例查案5.本應委員王美惠等17人擬拒因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例查案6.本應委員鄭天才等16人 |
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1956.596 |
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1985.411 |
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拟据因应国际情势强化经济社会任性及促进全民消费特别条例查案7.本用文核心准等19人拟据因应国际情势强化经济社会及国土安全任性特别条例查案8.本用文欧小林等22人拟据因应国际情势强化经济产业及民生纾困特别条例查案9.本用文徐毅臻等21人拟据因应国际情势强化经济社会及民众消费任性特别条例查案10.本用文赖世宝等30人拟据 |
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1985.791 |
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因應國際情勢強化經濟社會韌性特別條例草案案 宣布完畢討論事項所議議案經濟委員會在5月14日第一次聯席會議已經詢達完畢之後院會又交付本委員會提案版本有五案我們並案審查目前我們提案委員因為都還沒有在場所以我們先進行提案宣讀 |
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他有宣讀提案嗎? |
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请医事人员宣读特别条例名称及所有条文若有修正动以及附带决议请一并宣读宣读完毕后我们进行广泛的讨论 |
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行政院提案法案名稱因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性特別條例草案國民黨黨團提案法案名稱因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民眾消費任性特別條例草案台灣民眾黨黨團提案法案名稱因應國際情勢衝擊強化經濟社會任性特別條例草案委員蔡玉等人提案法案名稱同行政院提案委員王美惠等人提案法案名稱同行政院提案 |
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委員鄭天才等人提案法案名稱因應國際情勢強化經濟社會論性及促進全民消費特別條例草案委員何新淳等人提案法案名稱同行罪院提案 |
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2100.014 |
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2117.846 |
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委員翁曉琳等人提案法案名稱因應國際情勢強化經濟產業及民生紓困特別條例草案委員徐宇珍等人提案法案名稱同國民黨黨團提案委員賴士寶等人提案法案名稱因應國際情勢強化經濟社會韌性特別條例草案 |
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行政院提案第一條為因應國際情勢變化對我國經濟產業及國土防衛之影響以強化經濟社會及國土安全任性措施減輕人民負擔穩定民生物價國家經濟與就業市場改善投資環境促進產業升級轉型 |
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及防护国家安全特制定本条例国民党党团提案第一条为因应国际情势变化对我国经济产业及民众消费韧性之影响以强化经济社会及民众消费韧性措施减轻人民负担稳定民生物价国家经济与就业市场改善投资环境促进产业升级转型及扩大内需特制定本条例 |
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臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第一條為因英國美國對等關稅政策及國際情勢衝擊之國家經濟重大變故並強化經濟及社會韌性特制定本條例委員蔡宇等人提案第一條同行任院提案委員王美惠等人提案第一條同行任院提案 |
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2207.441 |
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委員鄭天才等提案第一條為因應國際情勢變化對我國經濟產業之影響以強化經濟社會韌性措施減輕人民負擔穩定民生物價國家經濟與就業市場改善投資環境促進產業升級轉型特制定本條例委員何新淳等人提案第一條同行任願提案委員翁曉琳等人提案第一條 |
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除前二句為因應國際情勢變化對我國經濟產業及民生社會之影響以強化經濟產業及民生紓困措施其餘文字同國民黨黨團提案委員徐宇珍等人提案第一條同國民黨黨團提案委員賴世寶等人提案第一條除前二句為因應國際情勢變化對我國經濟產業及民生之影響以強化經濟社會韌性措施其餘同國民黨黨團提案 |
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2256.665 |
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行政院提案第二條本條例之主管機關為經濟部依本條例編列預算之中央各部會負責強化經濟社會與國土安全任性措施之規劃預算編列及推動國民黨黨團提案第二條除第二具除第二項第二具為負責強化 |
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經濟社會與民眾消費韌性措施之規劃預算編列及推動其餘同行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案第二條除第二項第二句為負責強化經濟社會韌性項目預算編列及推動其餘同行政院提案委員蔡宜芸等人提案第二條同行政院提案委員王美惠等人第二條文字同行政院提案委員 |
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鄭天才等人提案第二條除第二項第二句為負責強化經濟社會韌性措施之規劃預算編列及推動其餘同行政院提案委員何新淳等人提案第二條同行政院提案委員翁曉琳等人提案第二條 |
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2320.625 |
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除第二项第二具为负责强化经济产业及民生纾困之规划预算编列及推动其余同行政院提案第二条委员徐玉珍等人提案第二条同国民党党团提案委员赖世保等人提案第二条本条例之主管机关为国家发展委员会第二项同委员郑天才等提案 |
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行政院提案第三條本條例鎖定強化經濟社會及國土安全任性措施之項目如下一提供企業金融支持二提升產業競爭力三協助企業開拓多元市場四支持勞工安定就業五強化農業金融支持提升產業競爭力及協助開拓多元市場 |
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六 強化高等教育人才培育七 益助臺灣電力股份有限公司全民健康保險基金及勞工保險基金八 加強照顧弱勢族群及提供關懷服務九 強化國土防衛能量十 提升資通作業環境及設備國民黨黨團提案第三條本條例所定強化經濟社會及民眾消費任性措施之項目如下 |
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第一款至第六款同行政院提案七一助全民健康保险基金及劳工保险基金第八款同行政院提案九减缓民生压力并达到振兴经济效益以发放现金新台币一万元方式强化民众消费韧性扩大内需台湾民众党党团提案第四条 |
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2395.356 |
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本條例鎖定強化經濟社會任性之項目如下第一款後段增訂其經費不得低於新台幣250億元第二款後段增訂其經費不得低於新台幣250億元第三款後段增訂其經費不得低於新台幣200億元第四款後段增訂其經費不得低於新台幣350億元第五款後段增訂其經費不得低於新台幣300億元 |
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2423.999 |
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2442.681 |
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六 普發現金其經費依第六條鎖定標準編列七 挹注全民健康保險基金其經費不得低於新台幣370億元挹注勞工保險基金其經費不得低於400億元第八款後段增訂其經費不得低於新台幣120億元 |
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2457.086 |
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9.增加債務還本其經費不得低於新台幣250億元10.降低生活成本支出補助其經費不得低於新台幣180億元其餘文字同行政院提案 |
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2460.373 |
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2485.781 |
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委員蔡雲等人提案第三條序文及第一款至第五款同行政院提案六加強推動農漁產品外銷媒合農業國際展並強化農業基礎設施照顧農漁民權益第七款同行政院提案第六款八挹注臺灣電力股份有限公司臺灣自來水股份有限公司全民健康保險基金及勞工保險基金 |
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2501.787 |
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第九款至第十一款同行政院提案第八款至第十款十二 穩定國內公共工程品質進度十三 其他經行政院何可知強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性有關事項 |
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委員王美惠等人提案第三條同行政院提案委員鄭天才等人提案第三條本條例鎖定強化經濟社會韌性措施之項目如下第一款至第四款同行政院提案五強化農業金融支持提升產業競爭力協助開拓多元市場及輔導輔助農民 |
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第2款同行政院提案7.益助全民健康保险基金及劳工保险基金8.益助原住民组综合发展基金9.加强照顾低收入户中低收入户身心障碍者及原住民等弱势族群及提供关怀服务 |
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第十款同國民黨黨團提案第九款委員核心存等人提案第三條除第二項推動產業及中小企業升級轉型提升產業競爭力第四款為支持及促進勞工安定就業強化職工職能培訓第八款為加強照顧弱勢族群提供支持及公懷服務第十款為 |
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2590.916 |
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提升公司部門資通作業環境及設備其餘同行政院提案委員翁曉琳等人提案第三條本條例鎖定強化經濟產業及民生紓困措施之項目如下一提供企業農業及地方產業之金融支持二提升產業競爭力及強化 |
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2593.702 |
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2612.993 |
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產業人才培育三協助產業多開拓多元市場第四款同行政院提案第五款及第六款同國民黨黨團提案第七款及第八款第七款第三句句末為強化民眾消費能力其餘同國民黨黨團提案第九款前向第一款至第四款 |
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2641.703 |
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編業資預算總額不得低於新台幣1300億元委員徐宇珍等人提案第三條除第五款為強化農漁業金融支持提升產業競爭力及協助開拓多元市場其經費不得低於總經費6%其餘同國民黨黨團提案委員賴士寶等人提案第三條本條例鎖定強化經濟社會韌性措施之項目如下第一款至第八款同國民黨黨團提案 |
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第九款辦理全民普發現金共享經濟成果行政院提案第四條前條各款項目之執行方式期間基準金額資格條件應檢附文件得委任委託或違反事項及其他相關事項之辦法由編列預算之中央各部會擬定報請行政院核定國民黨黨團提案第四條同行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案 |
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2671.448 |
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2694.556 |
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第五條第一項及第二項前條各款項目之執行方式得委託或委辦事項期間基準金額資格條件應檢附文件及其他相關事項之辦法由編列預算之中央各部會擬定報請行政院核定前條第六款普發現金之發放相關業務得不適用政府採購政府採購法招標決標之規定 |
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2699.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2725.296 |
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委員蔡宇等人提案第四條同行政院提案委員王美惠等人提案第四條同行政院提案委員鄭天才等人提案第四條同行政院提案委員何欣淳等人提案第四條同行政院提案委員翁曉琳等人提案第四條除墨具增加並送議法院備查其餘同行政院提案委員徐宇珍等人提案第四條同行政院提案委員賴世寶等人提案第四條同行政院提案 |
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行政院提案第五條第三條第九款及第十款項目之採購得採限制性招標委由國內依法設立之法人機構或團體辦理不受政府採購法第十九條及第二十二條第一項規定之限制委員蔡宜宇等人提案第五條同行政院提案委員王美惠等人提案第五條同行政院提案委員何新淳等人提案第五條同行政院提案 |
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行政院提案第6條本條例所需經費上限為新台幣4100億元得釋國際情勢變化分其編列預算編列特別預算其預算編制與執行不受預算法第23條第62條及第63條規定之限制前項所需經費來源得以已用以前年度稅計剩餘或 |
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2780.792 |
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2791.012 |
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舉借債務之印 其每年度舉借債務之額度不受公共債務法第五條第七項規定之限制將政府總預算及特別預算 |
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與本條例施行期間之舉債額度合計數不得超過該期間總預算及特別預算稅出總額度合計數之百分之十五本條例施行期間中政府所舉借至一年以上公共債務未償餘額預算數應依公共債務法第五條第一項規定辦理國民黨黨團提案第五條通行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團 |
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提案第三條第一項後段文字為其預算編制與執行不受預算法第二三條規定之限制其餘文字同行政院提案第一項第二項後段文字為但執行期間尚有以前年度稅計剩餘可供已用時應優先支應不得舉借債務其餘文字同行政院提案第二項第三項同行政院提案第三項 |
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2851.431 |
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委員蔡宜芸等人提案第6條同行政院提案委員王美惠等人提案第6條同行政院提案委員鄭天才等人提案第5條同行政院提案委員何欣淳等人提案第6條同行政院提案委員翁曉琳等人提案第5條同行政院提案委員徐玉珍等人提案第5條同行政院提案委員賴士寶等人提案第5條同行政院提案行政院提案第7條依本條例規定自政府 |
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領取支補助及其他給予免納所得稅依本條例規定自政府領取支補助及其他給予不得作為抵銷扣押供單保或強制執行之標定國民黨黨團提案第6條同行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案 |
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第五條第三項及第四項出手據增加現金補貼等文字其餘文字同行政院提案委員蔡宇等人提案第七條同行政院提案委員王美惠等人提案第七條同行政院提案委員鄭天才等人提案第六條同行政院提案委員何新淳等人提案第七條同行政院提案委員翁曉琳等人提案第六條同行政院提案委員徐宇珍等人提案第六條同行政院提案委員賴世寶等人提案第六條同行政院提案 |
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臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第六條於本條例公佈施行前符合下列各款資格之一者得以本條例領取新臺幣六千元一於國內現有戶籍之國民二各級政府機關應公派駐國外與國內現無戶籍之人員及其具有我國國籍之眷屬三取得 |
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台灣地區居留許可之五 戶籍國民四 大陸地區人民為國內現有戶籍國民之配偶且取得台灣地區一清居留長期居留許可五 外國人為國內現有戶籍國民之配偶且取得居留許可六 香港或澳門居民為台灣地區人民之配偶 |
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前取得居留許可 七 前三款大陸地區人民 外國人 香港或澳門居民 離婚或配偶死亡其居留許可未廢止八 第三款至前款之人取得定居許可 尚未涉戶籍 |
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行政院提案第八條 |
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一本條例編列預算之中央各部會應專案列考及考核第三條各款鎖定項目之執行國民黨黨團提案第七條同行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案第七條本條例編列預算之中央各部會應將預算執行情形之工作計畫實施成果概述計畫提要及分支計畫概況表 |
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並說明實施進度及預算執行數額按計送立法院備查委員蔡宇等人提案第8條同行政院提案委員王美惠等人提案第8條同行政院提案委員鄭天才等人提案第7條同行政院提案委員何新淳等人提案第8條同行政院提案委員翁曉琳等人提案第7條第一項前段同行政院提案後段增加並 |
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應將預算執行情形及工作計畫成果概述按計送立法院備查本條例施行滿一年後行政院院長每年須向立法院就相關預算執行提出專案報告委員徐玉珍等人提案第七條同行政院提案委員賴士寶等人提案第七條同行政院提案 |
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行政院提案第九條本條例及其特別預算施行期間自中華民國114年3月12日起至116年12月31日止本條例及其特別條例執行施行期間屆滿得經立法院同意延長之國民黨黨團提案第八條除第一項後段增訂第三條第一項第九款應於114年10月31日前執行完畢 |
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其余同行政院提案台湾民众党党团提案第八条本条例自公布日施行施行至中华民国一百十六年六月三十日止本条例施行期间届满德经立法院同意延长之委员蔡玉等人提案第九条同行政院提案委员王美惠等人提案第九条同行政院提案委员郑天才等人提案第八条同行政院提案委员何新纯等人提案第九条同行政院提案 |
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委員翁曉琳等人提案 第8條除第1項第3句據所為第3條第1項第7款其餘文字同行政院提案委員徐宇貞等人提案 第8條同國民黨黨團提案 委員耐氏寶等人提案 第8條同行政院提案修正動議 |
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委員鍾嘉斌等所提修正動議第一條為因應國際情勢變化對我國經濟產業及國土防衛之影響以強化經濟社會國土安全及國民健康與文化發展韌性措施減輕人民負擔穩定民生物價國家經濟與就業市場改善投資環境促進產業升級轉型及防護國家安全特制定本條例 |
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第二條本條例則主管機關委經濟部依本條例編列預算之中央各部會負責強化經濟社會國土安全及國民健康與文化發展任性措施之規劃預算編列及推動第三條增訂第十一項促進全體國民健康第十二 |
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第11款促進全民國民健康第12款提升藝文產業發展第13款其他經行政院何可之強化經濟社會及國土安全任性有關事項其餘同行政院提案委員賴瑞榮等所提修正動議第3條第5款強化 |
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農業金融支持提升產業競爭力協助開拓多元市場及糧食安全第十一款強化關鍵供應鏈韌性十二款提升能源自主與備援能力其餘同行政院提案第四條增訂第二項主管機關得彙整統一相關執行準則必要時得另訂執法以施行本條例 |
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第五條增訂 |
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第五條第三條第九款及第十款項目之採購得採限制性招標委由國內依法設立之法人機構或團體辦理不受政府採購法第十九條及第二十二條第一項規定之限制但因於不洩露商業機密範圍內揭露採購標的類型及得標對象前項規定於我國以締結之條約或寫定另有規定者依其規定辦理 |
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第六條本條例所需經費上限為新台幣4500億元其餘同行政院提案宣讀完畢好現在請翁曉琳委員說明提案要旨 |
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主席各位委員還有各位媒體各位官員大家好為了因應美國的關稅政策的變革本席在此提出因應國際情勢強化經濟產業及民生紓困特別條例草案 |
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那麼這部草案的核心精神就是針對當前國際情勢有效運用特別預算來確保產業競爭力與民生穩定那本草案規劃特別預算總額為4100億與其他類似的法案相當 |
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但是为了要让人民的纳税钱能够确实花在刀口上让这笔特别的预算真正发挥效益照顾到关键产业与基层的民生本席在条文当中明确规定至少要有1300亿是必须用于产业辅助和劳工就业的相关预算 |
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同时在通膨的压力之下呢以普发现金一万元的方式直接减轻民众的负担同时也能够促进市场经济活络本草案的另外一个重要的特色就是强化国会的监督机制相较于其他的版本本法案的具体规定规范各项职 |
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各个项目的执行方式期间基准与金额的办法必须除了行政院核定之外还必须要送立法院备查那么其次预算执行的过程当中也必须要按计向立法院提出执行情形与成果概述到立法院备查 |
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但最後則是要要求行政院長於特別條例實行滿一年之後每年必須要向立法院提出專案報告來確保人民能夠確實掌握預算運用的情形避免特別預算淪為黑箱這樣的國會監督的規定其實也不是創新因為回顧我們過去 |
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几部特别条例无论是前瞻基础建设特别条例或者是因应新冠肺炎的这个相关的特别条例都有要求在施行满一定期间之后呢要向立法院提出预算执行的顺便报告甚至六个月后要向行政院由行政院长要向立法院提出报告那么这些规定都在在显示尽管特别预算有其特殊性急迫性但是仍然不应该要超脱法治国的 |
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那么我们期待 |
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朝野攜手并进共同面对此次的经济难关为产业为民甚为台湾人民来共同谋福利请大家一起支持本题案谢谢大家好谢谢现在进行审查因应国际情势强化经济社会及国土安全任性特别条例草案进行广泛讨论那在场委员需不需要进行广泛讨论如果不需进行广泛讨论我们就进入主条讨论 |
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好不好 逐條協商好 現在進行協商從特別條例名稱及第一條條文開始請問有沒有人要表達這個從行政院到每個政黨還有個人這個提案看起來很分歧而且這個大概不會有結果啦 我覺得這個就是保留好 邱議員委員 |
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主席 |
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主席我想請教一下這個今天因為有併了幾位委員的提案進來所以我們上禮拜巡打的時候的那個提案數多了很多那我想請教一下這個幾個併的提案個人想要詢問一下議事人員這個有點怪怪的比如說鄭天才委員的案子是要促進全民消費特別條例當然前面還有講因應國際情勢及強化經濟社會韌性 |
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及促進全民消費特別條例那翁小玲委員剛剛的提案是因應國際情勢強化經濟產業及民生紓困特別條例草案我請教一下議事人員這兩個提案跟我們原來的提案一直應該是不太一樣的為什麼會是併案處理 |
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你不能因為前面他就寫因應國際情勢然後你就把它併在一起處理啊兩個的提案意旨是不一樣的一個是強調紓困一個是強調全民消費那跟原來我們談的原來的提案包括行政院版的或者是不管是國民黨黨團的版民眾黨的黨團版都是有一些社會任性國土安全任性的特別條例喔所以我想請教一下議事人員為什麼這兩個 |
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他的提案内容主旨跟我们原来的提案原来要讨论的案由是不太一样的为什么会是并案处理好我现在请竹敏回答 |
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包括我們聯席會 情況是這樣因為我們之前審過五個法案 尋答完畢的這是院會交付的我們之前尋答過的那五個法案其實名稱也都不一樣所以我們把它列為說這個名稱一開始我們就由我們聯席會委員來進行討論審查看有沒有取得共識大概是這個情況 院會交付下來我們就排案子 以上 |
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好现在请欧晓琳委员欧晓琳委员完在呃蔡英文委员还有郑天才委员啊好我想呃针对本席这次所提出来的这个草案的名称的部分我跟大家做个解释其实我想这次之所以会有这个特别预算条例草案最主要的还是希望能够呃强化经济产业然后辅助经济产业那么所以在呃这个整个法案 |
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里面除了法案的名称可能各个委员率有不同之外其余的条文的内容其实是大同小异那么就像我讲的我的法案基本上是多了立法院的国会监督机制那么同时也要求在一定的金额是要专注在补助产业 |
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發展還有這個強化這個產業的還有強化勞工就業啊等等這些補助所以呢呃這個部分的話其實在看到前面幾個案子也都是法案名稱不一樣更何況啊本席也認為說這次我們既然是主要是因應美國的高關稅以強化呃產業為主那麼這時候又放這個國土安全任性其實是沒有必要了啊那麼呃在這邊我認為說其實大家的法案的呃 |
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內容是大同小異 當然是應該要並案審查才對我想針對這個法案的名稱國土安全韌性是非常的重要因為我們這次對美國的整個的貿易談判事實上美國對於我們台灣展現我們自我防衛的決心這個就是美國事實上重視的一點 |
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所以這個特別條例在於國土安全韌性這當然是一個很必要的一個文字那至於說你要把它再加上一些民眾消費或者是紓困這樣的一個字眼事實上它都可以涵蓋在強化經濟強化社會韌性的這樣的一個文字裡面那只是說它又特別要把它抓出來再強調的話所以基於我覺得整個文字上那匡列 |
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比較不會有一些就是感覺是重複的狀況而且國土安全韌性事實上真的是在我們跟美國談判然後美國所重視的那以及我們台灣要怎麼利用這個特別預算來強化我們的基礎產業那所以這個國土安全韌性非常重要好 鄭天才委員一開始詢問的時候 |
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就三個法案一個行政院版的提案國民黨團的提案台灣民眾黨團的提案事實上三個法律名稱也都不一樣法案名稱也都不一樣而事實上是要看這個裡面的實質的內容相近的是不是 |
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大部分相近如果是大部分相近當然都可以一併審查所以這個部分本席的提案就是跟這個國民黨團的提案類似只是用詞不同而已以上 謝謝好 謝謝請張祺凱委員 |
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在名稱部分民眾黨的看法剛好跟剛才蔡議員提的剛好是兩個極端是完全不一樣的我們認為這一次一開始要提這個特別預算是因為川普的高關稅高關稅是要從行政院一開始提 |
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到後來的930億就是因為因應高關稅所以在經濟部分這個一定是要列進來的名稱裡面經濟是一定的那第二個我們為什麼寫了社會呢這跟民生有絕對的關係這段時間高通膨還有這個高關稅這個衝擊對人民生活有很大的這個挑戰所以我們提出說要普發現金每個人6000塊錢我看國民黨提的是1萬塊這一塊是大家比較有共識的 |
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然後另外我們提出來要去撥補在全民健保跟勞工保險這一邊這本來是行政業已經有的我們就大幅的增加了包括在全民健保提高到370億在勞工保險基金部分提高到400億還有加強照顧弱勢團體提供弱勢關懷 |
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所以這社會這部分應該也是大家比較有共識沒有問題的可是我覺得民眾一定最有餘力而且任何應該拿掉的就是剛才蔡議員講的國土安全任性他去看一下這裡面的這個內容都是年度預算裡面的嘛 |
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他提到那個什麼強化國土防衛能量提升直通作業環境跟這些設備大家翻一翻這幾年的預算書每個項目裡面都有啊怎麼大農以大灌水灌到這裡面來你這樣嚴重違反了預算法也違反了財政紀律啊你要強化這一塊請你回到年度預算這邊嘛明年我們就好好來審請把它移出去所以我在民生方面我認為國土安全任性這六個字要拿掉 謝謝 |
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好現在就法案名稱是不是請主管機關郭部長做統一回覆本條例是因為因應整體國際情勢 |
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對我國的經濟、社會以及國土安全造成的衝擊與影響所以要強化經濟、社會及國土安全韌性均有其必要以及急迫性普發現金雖然有短暫效益但是並不是解決問題的最好方法反而有可能分散政府的支持力度 |
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現階段應該要集中國家的資源全力支持最需要的產業與國人敬請各位委員支持新政院版本謝謝好那在場委員還有沒有其他意見因為目前舊法案的名稱其實各黨團以及各委員的版本都有其意那是不是就保留好不好好那我們現在開始進行第一條 |
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請問委員有沒有意見沒有意見就按照按照哪一個版本對啊 每個版本不一樣你們都說有沒有意見 |
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我們請張啟開委員有智慧的主席剛提了 對 不曉得按照哪一個版本像這個第一條碰到的狀況跟剛剛的民生講的一樣像這是非常重要的一個條文就牽扯到他的整體的一個定位你看我們剛講了一輪結果郭思維 郭部長上去了他就認為說這個普發現金是比較短暫性的這個效益那可是在野黨都認為要嘛所以國民黨也提了案子國民黨是一萬塊 |
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民眾黨是普發每個人六千塊錢而且理由我們都已經講了那當然名稱方面如果有這樣的爭議到了這第一條一定會有這樣的爭議可是我們很清楚的表達我記得目前在野黨的立場我記得應該是民眾黨跟國民黨吧可能也是多數台灣民眾的就是說你一開始要因應高關稅好那就好好因應所以包括國民黨跟民眾黨在野都把行政院提的這個版本我們還適度的增加例如說支持勞工安 |
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勞工的安定就業 本來行政頁板只有150億我們把臺灣民眾黨大幅提高到350億就是為了照顧我們勞工 這段時間確實有衝擊然後這個預助全民健保跟勞保基金這部分我們都有去增強了甚至我們會降低大家生活的成本要支出TPAS這一塊 我們都編了180億 |
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就是在定位上面一方面就是只要是行政院一開始提然後全民也有共識說我們要去印訂高關稅的不只我們支持行政院版我們還把這個金額都已經大幅的提高了然後另外是跟民生比較有關係的包括普發現金把它加進去有些新的項目然後在勞健保這一塊我們把這個金額還大幅的提升我覺得這個是大家已經有共識的可是有兩個移除我們認為有問題的 |
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一個就是行政院版裡面提到的撥補台電一千億因為這個去年已經被立法院刪掉了啊而且過去三次的撥補三千億以後越撥越大康沒有效益嘛所以我們還是堅持要把它刪掉那另外一個就是剛剛跟蔡議員提的這個行政院版提到國土安全韌性計畫這個裡面我剛剛有特別跟他強調這一千五百億每個項目你在查以前預算是多少所以我們說兩個移除 |
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一個就是台電的一千億的這個預算一個就是國土這個安全韌性的一千五百億減內那這樣定位就非常清楚了就是在高關稅經濟跟社會韌性這個這塊我們好好來因應甚至是我們支持行政院的時候全民是有共識的我們把這個金額把它提高來當我們的產業幫我們的這個人民所以 |
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我是建議說這一條如果沒有共識當然是要往還是要保留啦不過我自己把定位要訂清楚啦好不好因為到後來表決我覺得到後來過的大概也是或是我剛剛講的那個方向那兩個移除台電的一千億大概也過不了了然後國土這個強化什麼這個韌性國土這個安全韌性這個本來回到年度預算可以比較完整而且比較符合財政的這個紀律謝謝好 謝謝我們現在請蔡議員好 |
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我還是要強調這一次的特別預算因應的是國際情勢強化它並不是因應國際情勢並不是只有自我限縮說只有因應美國的關稅所以光是我們的法案名稱就已經講清楚整個國際情勢的一些變化台灣應該要做哪一些萬全的準備 |
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所以剛剛講的經濟層面重要社會層面也是要照顧但是國家的安全國土安全韌性這一塊也是非常重要的一環那我覺得如果照這樣的討論直接要把國土安全這四個字直接把它劃掉的話 |
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那是不是也應該要讓國防部以及我們海委會都要讓他們先表達一下意見因為這個第一條就會涉及到他們接下來整個法案對於他們的影響以及他們的一個編列的一個重要的一些重要性在哪邊這個我想要讓他們說明一下好那請賴瑞榮委員 |
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我想這個案子我有提出我的相關的修正動議我的意見是這樣 我的看法上是跟行政院上 我是支持行政院版本其實在 |
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現在所面對的其實是國際的一些局勢包括我們應該更強化我們國家的整體競爭力那我認為有這樣的一個特別預算是希望強化我們國家的競爭力特別是我們國家的一些韌性那當然產業面 |
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因為遇到了這個川普的關稅的一些挑戰 那當然我們給予給予支持啦 在產業跟這個部分給予支持 當然將來如果還有問題需要增加 我們可以再來增加那另外也趁這個機會應該給予更多照顧民生 不管是人才啦 甚至於 |
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台電過去因為俄羅戰爭所導致的一些虧損我們若不要漲電價我們應該支持台電給予撥補我一貫的政策跟態度都是如此如果漲了電價反倒會讓我們的民生的物價波動甚至於整個影響到整體我認為這個最後法損失會遠大於我們投入的金額另外包括健保包括勞保這個我都支持 |
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但是我看到另外還有就是國土的安全韌性的部分1500億這個也是在給予我們國家更強的一個競爭力跟更強的韌性這也相當重要那但是因為上次在執行的時候也提到其實我們所需要其實不只是1500億像之前海巡的部分 |
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你光那個最近的偷渡的狀況越來越多甚至我們的整個海巡人員非常的辛勞那現在中共的灰色的這個策略相當的多的時候我認為應該給予國軍跟海巡的弟兄更多的支持上次伯父跟館主會講到其實大家聽了都很有感我認為其實應該給予我們的第一線的這些國軍兄弟海巡兄弟們給予他們更多支持跟更多的力量來防堵來守護我們的安全所以我是 |
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建議直接應該給予因為即使300億的海巡這個部分恐怕還是不夠那他需要700億未來在光財化法被拿掉了3000多億之後恐怕未來國家的財源不見得能夠支應這400那我認為趁現在 |
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我們國家的財源上還可以的時候我是建議直接就給到1900億讓他們一次海巡的兄弟們跟國軍兄弟們有錢可以來做這些防堵的工作防堵自地的入侵的工作那另外其實我並不是那麼贊同所謂的現金的這些方案因為當資源有限下的時候怎麼樣去做最有效的運用 |
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那從現在看來的話反倒是剛提到這幾個方案對國家長遠的競爭力是更重要的所以我支持行政院版本同時間我在強化國土安全任性我把它修改為1900億也希望各位委員能夠支持以上說明現在請邱議員委員 |
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謝謝主席我想這個底下的條文的討論會跟所有的會跟法案名稱會是息息相關所以剛剛法案名稱我們把它保留了下面的討論就會變得更加的困難到底國土安全重不重要法案名稱沒有放進去國土安全的時候我們後面討論的國土安全通通都會被 |
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都會被擱置那我想請教這個在野黨的委員到底國土安全比較重要還是你普發現金讓人民去把錢花掉是比較重要當您看到台灣現在的國際局勢國際局勢不是只有經濟局勢是在整個戰略地位上面在國土安全的地位上面 |
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我很難想像台灣的立法委員竟然會認為國土安全是不重要的當您看到我們的海巡弟兄站在第一線去處理偷渡或者是處理中國的漁船步步進逼的時候我很難相信你們竟然可以講得出口國土安全是不重要的 |
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當國防的軍官兄弟們飛上天空去攔阻這些軍機巡航的時候我很難相信你們會認為國土安全是不重要的我們到美國去跟美國的商務部或者是跟美國的國防部見面會談的時候其實美方一直很期待台灣你能不能拿出你自己保衛自己國家安全的決心出來 |
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所以當一個國土安全這麼重要的議題放在這裡的時候在野黨的委員竟然認為普發現金六千或者是一萬比國土安全更加的重要昨天你們在立法院提出的那些公投案什麼河山要繼續再運轉你說要在安全的前提之下要在主管機關合可的前提之下那不就是國土安全嗎 |
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那不就是國家安全嗎那為什麼今天的立場跟昨天又不一樣了呢那台電能不能安全的運轉能不能穩定的供電能不能維持我們的經濟體所需的供電需求 |
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這不就是一個國家很重要的正常的這個所謂的防衛韌性跟國家的經濟發展的韌性嗎所以我覺得剛剛的法案名稱沒有定你到後面的討論就會變得非常的詭異非常的奇怪好現在請陳婷菲委員陳婷菲委員完是徐宇珍再來是翁曉琳再來是邱志偉陳昌明張啟凱 |
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謝謝主席我想我們今天這個特別條例我們進行到第一條第一條的部分大家對於因應國際情勢這四個字都沒有意見 |
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是里面的内容大家有不同的想法可是国际情势这四个字它不可能只有针对单一经济或是只有产业别它必须要符合到整个国家安全跟国土的发展 |
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這是一體性的因為國際情勢不是可以單一雖然我們說現在是因為美國關稅的問題可是美國關稅是一個引點這個引點你看現在整個中國跟美國之間的關係還有全世界彼此之間的互動已經產生了化學變化在這個化學變化到底下一個階段會不會影響到整個國土的安全 |
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大家不知道如果我們今天擔任立法委員我們只有頭痛一頭腳痛一腳我相信人民沒有辦法給我們超級的一個信賴所以我們認為說在 |
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因應國際情勢這麼清楚的一個標的那麼我們就應該一次把台灣未來面對國際的經濟情勢產業情勢發展還有國土防衛的部分都要一併納入這是缺一不可的所以我覺得說在這一條應該 |
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不會有任何的歧義因為大家非常清楚的就是為了因應國際情勢我們不能一刀這邊也切那邊也切如果我們真的為了國家好為了台灣的發展好我們就應該擺除所有的政治立場我們應該一次談好怎麼是對台灣比較穩固的 |
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那我必須說我們台南有很多的隱形產業光這一段時間我們跟很多的中小企業去對談的時候其實他們更擔心的是當他們跟國際在拼市場的時候我們台灣沒有辦法給他 |
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持足的後盾包括產業的轉型包括經濟的發展甚至是在整個台電電的部分的一個問題所以如果他們要對於關稅要對於整個電價有可能因為我們沒有撥補這不是 |
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這個所謂的燃料的問題不是台灣燃料 而是全世界國際燃料的問題當時候俄烏戰爭所產生的一個大缺口所以這個大缺口現在已經繼承事實 |
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如果我們面對這個計程式而不去面對很有可能最後還會轉嫁在產業別當中這個對他們是不公平的所以我們還是希望給我們的產業有十足的力量向外去打拚 |
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可是也要給他們十足的後盾所以不能這一塊切那一塊切而是大家在這個特別條例好好去探討怎麼樣是對我們的經濟發展是好的產業發展是好的我們國家安全的發展是好的這才是最重要所以我認為 |
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我們在這個第一條的一個基本架構我們就是要依照行政院的提案來通過這才能完全的面面俱到而不是因為自己本身的立場需求而一刀切東切西而讓人民會有所擔憂這絕對不是我們來訂定特別條例我們最終的目標 |
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好謝謝我們現在請徐理貞委員謝謝主席我想當時我們會訂這個特別條例主要就是要因應這個美國關稅的這個佔的一個相當的最主要的一個關係所以我想提出這個因應國際情勢跟強化經濟社會 |
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的部分應該是相對沒有問題那當然對於撥補台電1000億實在冤枉我們都已經否決了所以我覺得不宜放入我們這樣子的一個特別條例當中那當然對於國土安全韌性1500億其實我們覺得非常的重要 |
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所以說呢應該是要放在我們的這個追加預算當中或是最快的方式如果覺得金額不夠就是再追加追加預算所以我覺得應該是另外再來處理而不是放在這個有關強化經濟以及我們的因應國際情勢的這個特別條例裡面 |
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那另外呢當然就是我們為什麼國民黨團包括我自己的版本都希望能夠這個發放新台幣一萬元給每一位這個我們的國人就是希望能夠強化民眾消費的韌性擴大內需也減輕民生的壓力也可以促進經濟的一個振興那這個由各項的民調也有發覺我們有65%以上的民眾其實都希望能夠普發現金讓他們能夠度過這一次的一個經濟的一個困境以上謝謝 |
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好谢谢我们现在请翁晓琳委员这次之所以有这个特别条例草案的提出最重要的原因当然就是为了要因应美国可能对台湾实施的高关税政策以及种种的一些贸易上面的这个政策那会造成我们台湾的产业产业 |
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这个环境还有经济发展的环境的困难所以才提出这个特别条例草案可是行政院很明显的他就是要透过这样的一个条例草案去偷渡一些东西譬如说国土安全的问题 |
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國土安全當然重要我要再強調國土安全任性當然重要可是這個是應該要在一般的預算裡面就去編列不要忘記我們是剛才之前才剛通過114年的政府總預算裡 |
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那麼在這個114年政府總預算案都還沒有執行都還沒有執行到比較一半或是還沒有結束才剛開始而已那現在就說錢不夠如果說真的在今年度的執行之後發現有不足的地方還可以透過追加預算或者是說可以在明年度再來編列這沒有那麼著急 |
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我要强调的就是说我们既然是为了要回应美国的高关税政策那么就该把重心放在能够真的去补助去强化我们的产业环境我们的经济发展以及这个对于劳工可能会面临的失业的问题我们要给予他们好好的帮助而不是在这个 |
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这个特别条约草案里面又长一些又暗藏一些根本本来不应该要编列进来的一些预算像是波普台电或者是说又去这个给什么海巡署啦给这个其他的一些会受到关税冲击无关的一些相关机关的这个经费那么我认为说在 |
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行政院把以及民進黨委員所提出來的這個法案裡面特別強調國土安全任性的部分其實應該要在其他的地方那麼再去提這個經費的編列而不是在這個特別條例草案裡面一併納入好我們先一次發言完在第二輪發言的委員再發言那是不是要給那個行政單位先講完好不好 |
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國會在討論法案 第一個 格局要大 眼光要長遠 思慮要清楚 |
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因為所立的每一個法 所通過的每一個預算都關係到所有台灣人民的未來的發展 未來的生存這個條例為什麼那麼重要為什麼我說 格局要大 眼光要長遠 視力要清楚川普關稅所引起的所謂經濟安全運好經濟成長動能的吃完運好它造成是連鎖反應 |
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國土安全跟國家安全不見得是完全百分之百等同的概念不要把它狹隘化韌性韌性就是一個你平常就要不斷去培養而不是說年度預算年度預算有每個年度預算的需求韌性你要改善你的體質改善你的結構改善你的這個抗壓力改善你的這個耐受性 |
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所以經濟成長也好或者是國土安全的任性也好或者是社會穩定社會穩定包括對產業界的穩定對勞工的穩定我想這環環相扣你沒有辦法把它切割 |
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所以法案很清楚這是為了整體為了因應整個美國關稅政策的改變所引起的國家所面對的困難這困難絕對是不合適的困難絕對不是單一項不是經濟挑戰有包括社會的穩定就業的安全包括國土的內心也好各位美國有國土安全部國土安全部是對內還對外我倒想請教一下溫委員 |
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是對內還是對外當然他可以不回答 也許他不知道對內對內是什麼要維持社會的穩定國土安全部最重要是他要維持整個社會的穩定你要穩定要有他的緊急應變的能力 |
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緊急應變就是說任性的意思你緊急應變能力越強代表你內心越強這個跟每年度的什麼國防內政部海巡署預算並沒有直接關聯性 |
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這是你平時對於所謂經濟動盪經濟這個不穩定或者是社會不穩定所造成的相關的國土安全的問題他就必須要有相關的作為相關的這個預算來作為因應把內心提高當然國家那個國土安全的係數要提高國土安全係數提高經濟相關就會更穩定社會也更為穩定跟安全 |
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所以各位不會想要愛化也不會把它做什麼切割國會議員啊水平要往上提啊國會議員水平是沒有天花板的要更好不能往下降啊要每天自我生長 要每天自我生長每天這個醒過來就要思考國家大政這個我認為啊這個條例 |
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是花了很多時間才提出這個這也是國人也希望趕快通過通過這條例才能編預算來審查你那條例沒有通過你預算沒有辦法進行事實審查重要是預算要趕快審查通過才能作為相關的因應作為嘛 |
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那你卡在一個法案名稱法案名稱我個人認為也許其他人不這麼認為我個人認為沒有任何問題啊你把國土安全跟國防安全把它相提並論我覺得並不是等同的概念它是靠國土安全是靠經濟安全是靠社會穩定我宇宙心常跟我講在這邊真的是要為國家 |
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為人民來著想而不是政黨之爭一夕之爭我覺得盡數讓這個條例穩健的通過讓預算趕快通過才能就定位才能因應相關的這個挑戰跟衝擊好 謝謝現在請陳昌明委員請問 |
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今天我們主要是討論應用國際情勢強化經濟社會及國體安全任性特別條例的草案 |
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在這個發言以前,我永遠要強調這次的罷免案是從預算引起的預算有三檢預算、檢列預算、有凍結預算但是我發覺我們這個政府的團隊都在講巧話尤其在電視台那些名聲講得跟完全立法院的Police是他把凍結跟三檢預算來講得天花亂墜是真的 |
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所以造成朝野彼此的一個誤會那今天在這邊講如果依照剛剛委員所講的話就是這個條案你要通過不然你是賣台不然你就是親中那愛台灣哪裡一定要這樣的分化所以我今天容然強調這一點 |
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今天我們只要是討論這個經濟社會安全及國土安全認証我們這個預算要如何去應用那上次在 |
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廣泛的討論然後我們海洋委員會我們的管制委你不要刪我預算我說不是刪你預算我是檢討我們的預算要適合使用我會幫忙你但是國防部我就不一定幫忙我才不可以這樣在講話立法委員檢討預算你要適合使用是我們的職責跟責任那今天看到所有預算的一個編列裡面我們的經濟部長 |
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你要了解到在支持產業跟安定就業930億佔了22.68% |
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國土安全的韌性1500億這1500億裡面還要限制性的招標我不反對但是要有一個原則不然會讓人家污穢眼神照顧民生1670億那裡面有包含台電的一圈一站那剛剛大家在講國土的韌性很重要我們的海形史被人家這樣突破了後面插了一個國旗 |
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這是臺灣的悲哀啊臺灣是AI的國家臺灣是電腦網路發達的國家你們以前怎麼沒有想到去偵測要怎樣去抓呢現在談這個問題我以為我們國軍是非常強大武力非常的強執意對抗中日每一年買了那麼多的武器下來我們可以安心在臺灣安其樂意結果一個突破你們才發現 |
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我們以前的國防我們的預算我們是怎麼運用大家不自我檢討都在罵對方這個是彼此大家在一個較勁彼此要想盡一個辦法如何保護台灣國土真相 |
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將近十年了民進黨執政買了多少的國防預算今天被突破我講起來真的很丟臉連小小台灣海岸線我們就沒有辦法鞏固好那你以前到底做了什麼事情要自己檢討不要去罵對方 |
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那最近看到很多的事情發覺國際的情勢國際的軍事的武力其實變化的太快你們有沒有想到巴基斯坦把印度打下來大家都想不到這是科技化近視化的一種教訓 |
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那我現在不曉得台灣買了那麼多武器我們就像印度一樣我們的武力非常堅強我們防空非常好一打我也不曉得結果是怎麼樣其實國土安全保衛台灣人人有責並不是你們這樣講這個不夠你就是窮工我們是要探討這個應用債那我今天也要提出一個非常 |
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今天我們總統就職一周年兩岸的關係他不談以前這個是執著我們的敵對的境外勢力我們要偷中日北我們要偷中日美你們都講出來了今天也不談這個問題那到底這些問題現在怎麼會變成這樣的一個變化我不曉得在哪裡 |
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那今年是為了應應關稅對臺灣產業未來的影響跟發展我們要應用這筆錢在著重我們臺灣的產業因為有經濟有收入才會讓民眾非常的安心大家過得很快樂那你看到昨天總統講說我們要指示前進美國的國家隊 |
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我們要成立AI的此前至今我們要成立AI台灣的國家隊 |
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我們的總院長說我們AI有十大的基礎建設你聽好 建軍我們天天在防備我們買的武器到現在有多少我覺得要安全任性 不然把它移來這個地方來實施國家AI 實現基建AI國家發展隊我們來實施美國AI |
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前進的一個隊伍在把台灣的經濟打穩那今天所有花絕到 |
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都在採國土政協那是國防部的職責如果應用經濟情勢的話不應該換來這不是啦我們要檢討那不要亂寫等一下要說我反對了那報紙沒准你們所有我們執政黨好朋友的立委你們坐在我是講檢討不是反對預算不是講三十預算我把最新的情勢總統昨天講的話我比民進黨 |
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的委員還要認真,我大概把他每一句話都背下來我提出建議,把這些錢來部長、政法會我們的職位,把他AI發展資訊把它來用到美國去支持他們AI產業然後來支持我們AI的十大建設這不敢丟,還沒講完,每天就公佈去台六的安座 |
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幾十年幾十年幾十年我們的經濟那個武器買了多少到底能不能用也沒有實際的一個驗證出來 |
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那這個值得是我們要探討最後強調是檢討強化社會經濟、國土安全、利潤性的財源要如何運用不是反對也不是要刪減也不是要凍結不然電視上又講了現在主要懷疑美國懷疑台灣都有問題 |
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本來懷疑這是檢驗的真理我們要想到走出我們最安全最好的路不要一直再強調國土認証案國防部要做了今天是我們為了應用我們台灣的經濟情勢好不好 謝謝大家好 現在請林黛嬅委員 |
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這個本席要針對這個條例在我們上次的一個大體詢答當中其實我們是要面對的是我的經濟下修在我們的這個有這個銀行都已經有預測本年度的經濟會下修0.6還是0.4甚至會下修到1.1 |
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這個才是今天我特別條例要防止他經濟下修我個人都期待我也希望我跟我們的行政團隊期待今年能夠的經濟成長率是飽三所以今天各位不分朝野在這邊就是為了我的經濟所以剛才陳昌明省委員講得非常好他念之在之就是在經濟好 第二個 |
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要把這個經濟當中講的就是對等關稅跟我的財幣升值現在台幣升值的結果已經造成我內需的緊張我們現在都補助我們的出口的業者但是也因為補助出口的業者之後我的會健全他們的財務狀況這是好的但是對他獲利有沒有幫忙 沒有 |
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所以但是又衝擊到我的內需市場我的這個商圈我的服務業我的這個餐飲業 |
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好 旅宿業我會沒有 因為大家都出國玩了 我台幣升值啊所以內需的部分才需要我們 我這邊也跟主計長上司也互相的討論過另外一個部分就是擴大工界好 為什麼這個國土任性經過這幾番的幾位委員的討論尤其這個國民黨跟民眾黨 你們看得太狹隘了我認同邱志偉邱委員的 |
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後面的國土韌性是什麼 這1500億做什麼事情兩件事情 造建跟資通訊這兩個反而是能夠加惠我的造轉廠跟全國的資通信業者我在這邊都要強力要求 |
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在這1500億部當中的造建跟資通訊60%一定要國產這才是能夠讓我帶入我的經濟產業包括我的公共建設的擴大能夠讓我的補助之後讓所有的業者能夠在他的健全他的財務之下他的盈利在哪裡只有擴大工建 |
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1500億如果我的六成是要求因為畢竟照件還是有一些紅色關鍵的一定得跟國外採買而且它是限制性的一定是要國際上都是列管的一個關鍵的零組件那無可厚非那一定要跟國外除了這個之外 |
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全部我都覺得要求60%這才是今天與其在爭論國土韌性這麼低階只在這個四個字在這邊糾結而沒看到後面這1500億所帶來的國家整個造船業整個資通訊的大力的提升這樣的一個遠景 |
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所以本席真的是要在這個論點當中在跟我們國民黨跟民眾黨的各位同志如果我們真的念茲載茲是在經濟的話今天不是召見反而我們的召見不能全部都是進口的而是要求資通訊跟召見60%如果你認同的話甚至你都可以再次的提高60%一定要國產化 謝謝 以上好 謝謝 |
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現在二次發言請張七開委員說法是立法委員的基本要求吧基本的素養吧 |
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今天某些立法委員自己不守法你們不只以前違憲亂政欸你們現在有沒有在看年度預算有沒有在看預算法為什麼今天我們要討論說國土安全正信這個你只要翻一翻他提的這個項目不就在每年度的年度預算裡面嗎你們現在有些立委現在連年度預算跟特別預算都搞不清楚嗎連最基本的年度預算跟特別預算都搞不清楚嗎 |
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為什麼叫大灌水蛋而已你明明是該在年度預算裡面的 剛講什麼照件什麼資通訊 提升資訊作業強化防衛能量你預算書裡面 欸今年度的預算現在五月份了 剛在執行欸這些預算不是都在執行當中嗎立委 包括民進黨 你們當初在審的時候你們審過一次了欸 現在執行中欸 |
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行政院明明講一開始880變930是要做什麼川普的高關稅嘛 對不對那你提到930我們也支持我們民眾黨還提得更高我們支持我們產業支持我們勞工 支持我們人民可是他大灌水大漏雨他把年度預算現在已經在執行的東西一下又把他灌水灌進來立法委員如果守法你怎麼會同意這樣的預算呢 |
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你連最基本的預算法的規定連最基本的年度預算跟台北預算的分級都不做嗎那你破壞完之後問民進黨立委你會不會要省年度預算 |
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你們如果支持這筆預算應該怎麼做不是大灌水灌到這裡面來請他第一個連度已經在執行中的不管是海委會國防部他已經在執行中的要他落實來做那真的不夠你提另外的追加預算嘛這不就是預算法裡面明定的嗎你要走正道還怎麼走外掛走那種斜門外道的路呢我問一個最簡單的 |
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你們今年現在如果你們同意這一筆追加放在這裡面那你明年度你要不要再列在年度預算裡面的東西你弄到特別預算裡面來那你現在執行出了問題那你明年要不要再編這不都是問題嗎所以現在請民進黨的立委想一想你們是立法委員你們守不守法你們有守法嗎這是一個基本的概念 |
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是不是一個基本的概念好 第二個要提為什麼民眾黨特別提出來要普發現金剛剛連民進黨立委都講啊今年的經濟成長率受到衝擊也會下降啊通膨又這麼嚴重又有高酸素的衝擊那人民現在即時也要什麼就是要普發現金嘛你看看所有民調大家都認為要普發現金嘛民進黨為什麼要擋呢 |
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該支持的不支持然後大灌水的應該挪回去年度預算的你剛剛在講我特別強調一下你如果認為國安是重要的你又就要在年度預算裡面每一年好好去執行你甚至有追加預算的這個法律規定啊不走正道然後今天還一直在扭曲今天如果用民進黨這個通過的話那以後年度預算幾乎是不要省了 |
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好 另外要強調一點 剛才民進黨立委提到說昨天通過的要把河山延長或者是重新啟動 繼續來運轉他們多手批評 我要特別提醒 |
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我們現在變成核能零的時候第一個不只是一年增加了一千億的發電成本我們的電價會上升成本會增加的同時空污越來越嚴重所以包括盧秀燕盧市長都出來抗議了我的中火火力全開我們台中市民用廢塞呼吸犧牲的是我們的健康我要提醒是全民不是只有在台中包括高雄的立法委員請注意 |
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高雄因為沒有核電之後你們的火力發電也在增加當中你們對得起高雄的市民嗎你們是不是應該向盧秀燕看齊好好回去看一下高雄的火力發電從5月17號之後增加多少會有多少的空污的這個增加對人民的會對人民健康有多大衝擊不是每天只要喊一些 |
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什麼核廢料 核廢料全世界都可以處理只有民進黨說沒辦法處理最重要的我覺得不只是成本的增加人民更注意的是他的健康請全台灣所有的民意代表現在靜下來跟盧秀燕看齊好好去看我們變成核能零的時候到底我們火力發電增加了多少台電跟我們講我們現在火力發電是84%大家去看一下 |
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南韓跟我們是很重要的一個競爭對手它的核能30.3%它的火力發電只有60我們現在是零核能是零人家核能比較便宜所以現在南韓一直拼命在提升他們的核能我們結果把它變成是零然後我們的空汙會有影響的火力發電人家是60你一下提升到84到了晚上太陽下山都是九成以上 |
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所以盧修穎才抗議啊所以你在517那天的生類過後我的火力發電全開了中火好不容易說要降載或者是燃煤不要再燒了盧修穎講90個燃煤燒煤炭的機組除了一部剛好那天在維修之外九部幾乎是火力全開你這樣怎麼對得起台中市民啊我更要提醒 |
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那一天不是只有台中市全台灣在那天的晚上火力發電超過96%全台灣所有的人都用肺在呼吸在發電怎麼對得起我們台灣全體的民眾啊所以包括民進黨立委我正告你們你們如果真的要對得起民眾不管你來自哪裡請密切的注意我們的火力全開人家用會發電的時候包括特別是我提醒這個對人民健康影響有多大像我在嘉義 |
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去年河山廠的一號機停了之後政府做了什麼事情把本來已經停下來台灣第二發電的污染源最大的麥寮合約本來已經到啦為了河山廠一號機停了之後緊急去跟麥寮電廠繼續燒煤繼續吸煙要到今年年底所以包括雲林嘉義彰化的很多民眾就要北上來抗議了現在河山廠二號機又停了火力發電有多少地方不是只有台中碰到問題 |
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所以所有的民運代表要問政啊 謀著良心去面對我們台灣火力發電之後空污增加的問題照顧我們人民的這個安全 謝謝 |
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好各位委員等一下不要再用那個因為那個剛才是那個邱志偉委員他感冒他去那裡用你們不要再繼續去用那裡等一下大家都感染他的感冒那我們就在位置上發言就好那請大家簡短因為已經是二次發言了然後我們最後請行政機關答覆那我看大家也沒有什麼共識我們是不是就保留條文第一個主席因為只有第二個事務 |
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因為我們勢必要做一些回應因為剛剛張委員有講了一些對於委員當中的一個認知好像有一些批評我覺得這是不公平的我必須說今天可能國民黨太久沒有中央執政了民眾黨是從來沒有中央執政過所以現在在談核廢料 |
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我覺得好像已經忘記了現在核廢料所產生的狀況是什麼如果核廢料真的可以處理 不用到處塞如果核廢料真的可以處理 不用到處買所以不能在現在講一些沒有根據 沒有事實的然後硬塞在目前執政黨的身上說核廢料是可以處理的 |
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如果核廢料可以處理我相信沒有現在我們所有的核一核二核三我們的核廢料現在到處埋的狀況所以這個我們必須做澄清那第二個部分是我們的預算大家不要忘了特別條例之後才有特別預算但是現在大家把它搞在一起了 |
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沒有特別條例過了怎麼有特別預算所以我相信現在國民黨的委員好多提出附帶決議我要拜託主席還是要做一個劃分 |
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特別條例跟特別預算是不一樣的好多說已經這個要附帶決議今天我們要處理什麼健保勞保然後協助弱勢多少錢我們特別條例就沒用想要怎麼去處理這些特別預算所以主席我覺得這是很重要的我們可以不說可是當已經 |
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說了一些跟事實不一樣的因為大家都都有意見那是不是你們表達一下簡短你們都第二次了好不好那你們簡短表達一下我們給行政單位表達對 因為其他講了太久人家講了太多跟事實不符合的所以我們必須要去做回應然後呢第三個部分是我們沒有灌水我們也沒有乾坤大羅宜 |
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本預算行政院的本預算跟特別條例本來就不一樣完全不一樣我們都尊重每個政黨所提出的特別條例的內容但是也請互相尊重行政院所提出來的每一筆預算這個部分再拜託主席如果要剪短你請我們剪短也請所有的在野黨也要剪短 |
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謝主席還是要簡單講一下因為剛剛張旗桿這樣講其實我很不能認同如果要講到這些空污的問題的話南部其實過去來受災是最嚴重南電北送多久的時間了南部不只在現在還在蓋第七接收站還在準備燃氣電廠 |
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但是其實這樣子我們還是努力的減少了七成的空污的狀況高雄還會努力 南部也會努力 非常努力結果昨天張啟凱所主導的案子叫做通過什麼叫做通過核三廠除役核三廠繼續這個研議那為什麼不是核一核二為什麼只有核三就是說什麼樣的思維而有這樣的想法你如果每天是居住在南部我九年前的時候每天從南部的鴻駭到台北的綠再回到高雄的鴻駭那種感受 |
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長期住在台北的立委用這樣講話的態度我完全無法接受如果你感同身受真的知道南部人的苦的話真的知道南部人怎麼在撐著台灣的話你不會用這樣的態度包括如果你知道核電的風險的高度然後好不容易用了40年廚藝之後然後你的提案竟然只是說核三因為核三在高雄在南部在屏東核一核二在北部連核廢料連 |
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這個朱立倫連侯友宜都不願意接受的然後你們完全漠視掉這個問題然後只是單純我認為這樣的做法其實是讓人家看不起的啦正式人物要有基本的格局用這樣的方式處理事情是看不起的簡單講 第二個是將強化國土的韌性 各位理性的思考啦如果沒有台灣整體的自由民主的安全的話那台灣還有什麼 |
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台灣還有什麼 我們現在要成立的是建立我們牆衛的防衛自我能力待會可以讓國防部跟那個還有我請他們都要務必要說明如果沒有這些預算的話 為什麼需要用特別預算因為既有預算裡面其實不足 加上了去年一整年被藍白的硬拿走了3700多億的逃犯拿走之後 中央的財源一定更吃緊 |
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如果沒有用特別預算給予這些財源支持 要做什麼事情要加強台灣周邊的監測能力包括海域的 包括岸海的 包括無人載具的 包括海軍海巡的如果我們沒有強化這些能力的話 我們怎麼去保衛我們的安全最近幾個偷渡案跑進來 還有跑進來之後插上了五星旗這個我們能接受嗎 這樣的狀況 海巡的兄弟們壓力大不大 國軍兄弟壓力大不大 |
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所以我再次強調請大家烏一本著良心來支持這樣的預算 |
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你不是說一下子嗎 這樣子大家說一下子 我要計時喔就是計時大家就 這樣比長度就很方便啦因為我們會議有主席嘛 應該要主席 大家 大家就計時喔好不好 很難寫的啊 對不對好 我們現在給行政單位回覆一下 那我看其實大家就沒有就是沒有辦法有共識 我們就保留 好不好好 那個海委會國防部副部長 然後最後由經濟部長 |
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主席各位委員各位同仁媒體朋友大家好我首先說明就是說很感謝所有的委員部分黨派都說支持我們的國土安全那我要告訴各位委員報告各位委員就是說如果今天這個條例不納入海巡署所需的國土安全大家支持的預算的話 |
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那有兩個途徑 一個是徐宇珍委員說的你們去弄追加預算 賴氏堡委員有這麼說那我告訴各位 要我們去求追加預算要我們去爭取追加預算的意思有兩個第一個 你再送一個法案來追加預算第二個 你去舉債 |
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因為4100億用完了 追加預算的錢在哪裡 當然是舉債所以支持這筆預算 可是把我們踢去追加預算的意思就是說哎呀 我支持你啦 你去舉債啦好 大家要不要 這是第一點第二個 委員說這可以編公務預算 我跟各位報告明年用新的財劃法 各部會被通知的就是我們至少要減28% |
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可是如果我明年要把這筆預算編進去是110億是要增加110億我一定擠不進去所以委員如果說為了財政紀律 像張其開委員說的為了財政紀律你去編年度預算那你的意思就是說你們慢慢來啦 慢慢拖啦 |
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所以要我們去追加預算要錢就是叫我們舉債來做要我們去編公務預算就是叫我們慢慢來拖沒關係要不要林口案5月16號已經服刑期滿回去了 |
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淡水河岸更早浮行期滿我們的預算還在被踢皮球錢在哪裡我要告訴各位我2月4號就向行政院院長卓院長報告這個計畫了是我先要這筆錢的我不是偷渡擠進來的我再說一次 |
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我2月4號就得到卓院長的支持了而這一筆預算跟關稅有沒有關係 當然有關係 為什麼 第一個對美採購的部分就是平衡利差對美採購的部分就是平衡利差國內造建等等的預算就是支持產業哪裡不符合特別條例的精神完全符合 |
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而且最早要求所以到今天還被這樣誤會我其實很心痛大家看到了嗎這幾天的偷渡案件三個案再度證明說前面兩個案沒有紅外線熱像儀我們雷達就是浪乾 |
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光影沒法分辨可是金門這個案520清晨金門這個案我們有紅外線了我們就抓到了 |
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給不給呢海巡過去不是為了小目標偷渡的零漏接來部署它的量能海巡過去部署的量能不在這一塊去年淡水河事件大家這麼重視以後我們決定要布局這一塊小目標偷渡一年大概一二十個案件海巡的破破率其實是很高的可是淡水河事件林口事件告訴海巡說你要零漏接 |
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為了要零漏接 所以我必須部署小目標偷渡零漏接啊今天要求海巡小目標偷渡也要顧我們要抓毒品 我們要抓偷渡 我們要抓走私我們還要應對海警船 還要應對科研船還要應對越界捕魚 還要護魚我們的事情那麼多的時候 今天要求說小目標要零漏接 好 |
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我從去年8月開會到現在開了至少25次正式的會議做出一個計畫這個計畫盤點到什麼地步盤點到我今年年底就可以開始做了盤點到什麼地步盤點到我們踏遍1821公里的海岸線哪裡要紅外線哪裡要港間哪裡要環島 |
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我都做出來了 哪裡要次世代雷達我都做出來了啊不給錢我二月就要的錢然後說我偷渡行政院納進來啦行政院支持啦而且絕對跟關稅事件有關絕對有關對沒採購就是平衡逆差 |
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產業就是扶植我國內採購就是扶植產業啊我對美採購就是平衡逆差我完全符合這個條例的精神啊今天讓我這麼激動我很抱歉各位都是我的同學 |
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不是不給我 是被地方刪掉嗎有稅出剩餘不用擠債你2月份就送最佳預算過來的話不就有了嗎你2月份我送最佳預算不就有了嗎你2月份就送最佳預算不就有了就不用擠債 不用擠債同樣一筆錢啊 4100億行李給我那委員給我 那4100億給我編綜商就好了 |
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4100億留給我們編追加預算好不好對不對如果照這樣的理由稅出剩餘就夠了啊對就是4100億為什麼要擠稅追加預算就可以送來啊好你還要就送 請這人既然不給你給我你還要就送 請這人既然不給你 |
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行政院給我所以我送進來了就是現在你現在還沒有啊就是你們行政院的事情還沒有委員事實證明行政院給我了進來了是要被大家刪掉的是大家要刪掉的嗎是大家要刪掉的嗎你當海委會的委員九年你竟然不知道海岸線好 這九年我們做了什麼 |
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這九年我們做了十二艘可以掛飛彈的船這九年我們造了四艘四千噸的船這九年我們在對應海警船我們什麼叫做沒做事委員 不要這樣說海巡不要這樣欺負海巡 |
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不要這樣詆毀海巡你完全不了解你當海聯會委員的這個資格跟能力你根本不適任你根本不適任不要詆毀海巡他是我們國家捍衛海疆的英勇部隊 |
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不要詆毀他們沒做事我跟委員報告他們沒有不做事他們做的事情是非常短的時間迅速從執法機關要變成國安機關海巡的辛苦你們完全不知道我在爭取啊 你不給啊 |
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我在爭取4100億啊 剛剛鄭委員就說啊要順濟順餘啊 就是4100億啊我在爭取啊 但是大家不肯給啊那你把我踢去哪裡 踢去舉債嗎那我去舉債你們給不給 還是要進來啊沒有啊 4100億全部被用光啊 在哪裡 |
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我沒有海巡沒有做不好事海巡沒有做不好事海巡沒有做不好事海巡沒有做不好事海巡沒有做不好事海巡沒有做不好事海巡沒有做不好事海巡沒有做不好事 |
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繼續開會因為這一個特別預算好像大家都意見分歧特別條例大家都意見分歧所以以後我們委員發言我們就限制兩分鐘那官員回覆的時候也限制兩分鐘請大家簡短發言然後不要用情緒性的致言那我們就可以理性的來討論這些事情以上剛才大家都回覆完了是不是那第一條是不是就保留 |
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有沒有意見好各黨團沒有意見的話我們就進行第二條第二條各位委員有沒有意見陳廷飛委員 |
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謝謝主席其實我們真的要體諒管主委為什麼會那麼的激動其實最近發生的兩件事情大家都很清楚大家開始在怪說這個海巡署你的這個周邊的這個設備或是我們第一線的巡防沒有到位造成有這樣的破洞 |
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可是你錢又不給他那發生事情又要罵海巡署我覺得難怪他會很激動所以我們要強調的是在這一次為什麼我們要把這個國土任性一定要把它放入 |
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產業 經濟 國防 國土安全這是缺一不可的不是今天說你談經濟就可以把國土把任性的一個國安把它整個切割掉是不可能的所以我還是認為說今天當然大家都有起義所提出的版本都不一樣但是我還是要再次拜託 |
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談到經濟 談到產業我們一定不可能把國土這個區塊把它切開來因為他們是綁在一起的整個國際情勢的演變 |
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不是今天誰跟你談經濟就不會跟你談國安就不會跟你談國土不可能所以我們拜託不要這麼樣的狹隘我們今天既然要處理特別條例就是要把整個宏觀性提出來 |
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而不是因為政治立場的不同或是做政治的操作而去曲解這整個我們整個任性特別條例的一個前提所以我們還是再次強調 |
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經濟產業國土他的韌性是不能切開而且是一致性的否則就會像最近所發生的我們海巡署被質疑被抨擊的這個問題一樣說中國有到了我們的海防居然我們都不知道這對我們來講錢又不給然後又要怪 |
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到底你要海巡署怎麼做好現在請賴瑞榮委員我想我還是要再提一下 因為這一段時間其實中共對我們採取越來越多的灰色地帶的處理所以不管是從漁船到研究船到小艇甚至於到橡皮船不斷挑戰我們的 |
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進入到我們的國土甚至進入到我們的岸上所以這是一個新的挑戰的一個趨勢那我認為其實應該要給予我們的國軍給予我們的海巡兄弟們更多的一些支持所以我認為其實要把這個時候把這個預算放進來因為海域的監測包括岸海的甚至於整個立體性的無人載具的這些對於我們守護這些的國家的安全很重要大家試想我們能夠忍受一而再再而再的發生 |
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這個中國的人然後進到了台灣的海岸上之後然後插上五金旗嗎這樣的事情如果不斷的發生大家能夠接受嗎我們認為其實我們要給予但是以現在的能量來說確實是有相當的難度所以剛剛管主委其實講的也非常的清楚然後我們認為其實請這個 |
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朝野立委大家能夠共同支持我認為這個國家的安全台灣自由民主的基礎這個是更重要的這個是在確保更重要的事情那國家資源有限下說怎麼來優先使用我認為這樣的項目應該放在最優先所以待會有機會我還是希望除了管諸葛我希望國防部也能夠再次的說明讓各界更清楚知道為什麼我們需要這些預算達到這樣的應用效果是達到最好的也是對國人最能夠交代的一個做法以上 |
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好 現在請鄭天才委員那第三條這個因為第二項第二項是第二條第二條的第二項 |
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這個跟這個第一條跟法案名稱都有關係啊所以剛才前面的竟然已經保留了所以也要保留那至於第二條的第一項 |
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這個部分的這個以目前不論是從行政院的版本的第三條或是國民黨團版本的第三條民眾黨團或其他委員的版本的第三條的這些項目來看的話 |
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這個主管機關以經濟部為主管機關似乎是不太妥當應該要比照之前的那個這個疫情之後的那個特別條例由國發會來擔任這個主管機關會比較適當以上好 邱毅委員 |
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好谢谢主席现在既然已经进入到第二条我刚刚就讲过了这个每一个条文都会跟国土安全有关那其实上次在我们答询的时候包括这个国防部的次长跟这个管主委对于国防安全国土安全这一件事情上面在他们的这些应有的战备的 |
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預算配置上也都講得非常的清楚所以我還是要懇請這個在野黨的委員真的要好好的認真的思考一下台灣整體的安全防衛政策到底是什麼如果特別條例把它放進去這對於台灣整體的國土安全這才會是保障那至於剛剛這個張祺凱委員這個講了一大段我實在是聽不太懂他說 |
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說我們違法然後又說盧秀燕在抗議說大家都在用廢呼吸喔我不知道盧秀燕為什麼要抗議有誰不是用廢呼吸的嗎那 |
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這個講法就非常的奇怪然後他說全世界都可以處理核廢料我問過很多他們的人包括這個賴思寶說核廢料美國處理核安美國負責那他說全世界都可以處理核廢料我就請教他們要怎麼處理核廢料也沒有人可以給一個相同的也沒有人可以給一個正確的答案所以在這邊胡說八道一番然後搞到整個 |
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特別條例的預算的審查氣氛非常的不好我也不知道他的所為何來然後現在人又不見了也不知道跑到哪裡去了所以我還是懇請主席真的要好好的認真的思考在國家安全的這一塊上面我們真的應該要給予更多的關注 |
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好 謝謝 我們現在請蔡易餘委員好 謝謝主席剛剛張祺凱在發言的時候基本上對我們在場在省裡的每一個立委有夠不尊重非常不尊重說什麼我們大家都違法大家在省裡特別條例怎麼會有違法的問題呢 |
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如果說我們正在討論國土安全是不是要納入這一次的特別條例那這個當然就是特別條例要處理的啊不然回到頭來講你現在講好經濟部要增加說強化這個企業的競爭力所以他們要強化他們的推廣的一個外銷的一個能力那本預算沒有嗎本預算沒有說經濟部也要去強化嗎 |
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那對於這個產業的金融支持本預算沒有嗎也是有嘛也是有這樣的項目啊那同樣有項目的話表示說本預算不足的情況之下我們特別因應狀況用特別條例然後來給他更多的預算讓他強化他的作業這塊有什麼問題 |
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這個有什麼問題?所以大家才在這裡審議啊結果張委員計民就說你們這個立法委員你們只要講到這個國土安全你們就是違法你們就不守法這個未免也太誇張了這個難怪剛剛氣氛會搞成這樣然後我再回到我們的主題講我們這一次的法案就是因應國際情勢 |
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每一個包括國民黨包括民眾黨包括其他的個別委員提的都是因應國際歧視喔沒有一個人是講因應美國關稅沒辦法民眾黨的版本也是因應國際歧視啊好那美國關稅的一個情況之下是只有台灣嗎不是餒美國的關稅也有對中國餒美國的關稅對等關稅也有對越南餒 |
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對每一個國家都一樣有關稅那既然每一個國家又有關稅高低現在是因為進入這個談判期所以大家都信用10%但是中國中國不是10%中國現在是30%所以現在中國的商品跟台灣的商品關稅對美會有20%的差距那既然會有關稅的差距的話會不會有 |
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左撕 會不會有洗產品的狀況 可能會有嘛 年事狀運年事狀運的用的那個手錶 要記心跳的手錶 大家洗產品裡面用中國的芯片年事狀運用的要送的類品 要撕標籤 因為原本的標籤寫Made in China 中國字 |
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就明明有這樣的狀況嘛那既然有這樣的狀況的話我們在於說加強海巡署夜間偵測的能力杜絕走私杜絕這樣要來洗產品的一個狀況 |
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我們來強化國防部要大量的用所謂的無人機然後來捍衛我們台灣整個國土至少是一個處於一個可以偵測敵人有沒有攻進來敵人有沒有要來竊取我們的一些主要的一些戰略地點的一些資訊的話這部分我們都需要情搜所以這都是國際情勢的一環我們因應國際情勢難得鼠藥加以神來支持 |
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國民黨民眾黨你們的版本也是國際情勢啊你們又不是講只有因應美國關稅所以我還是回到頭啦我們討論這件事情大家先靜下來講到底國土安全重不重要需不需要特別預算來支撐如果需要的話為什麼在第一條第二條甚至名稱都被他排除沒有這樣的道理好我們現在請張祺凱委員 |
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我做一個很簡單的這個建議第一個請所有的立法委員回去看一下這次行政院提出來跟國土安全任性有關的這些預算的這個項目是不是你在年度預算裡面看得到你也可以一起他明年你如果 |
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所以剛剛所以剛剛主委管主委特別提到說二月份他發現說他可能要再增加新的那你這做預算法很明確對你要去追加預算嘛剛剛為什麼會引起一個爭執 |
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鄭天才政委員講得很好啊你那時候發現有問題了那時候稅基證也很多那你趕快提應該就是行政院決定嘛輕重緩急他就應該給你啊所以不給的是誰 |
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第一個不給的是行政院 更重要的就是目前我們法例跟預算法跟我們的財政紀律它是有制度的來解決問題的你本來就走這一條路啊所以剛剛在談為什麼要談說年度預算有編的你就盡量不要再特別預算特別這一次大家都很清楚這整個過程行政院行政院從一開始從行政院一開始 |
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他就講說 行政一開始就講說他要的是880億後來提高到了930對不對提高930嘛結果你後來去比較你發現多出兩個東西來嘛一個是台電的1000億嘛第二就是1500億的國土安全任性特別這部分嘛那我現在剛提了我為什麼講說我們立法委員基本上一定要守法就連立法委員都不守法 |
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拜託你一般民眾怎麼說法我們是法治社會嘛對不對 |
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問個最簡單的問題問個最簡單的問題這個都符合預算法啦不要說合法不合法啦合法不守法啦問一個最簡單的問題問一個最簡單的問題問一個最簡單的問題這個符合預算張棋棋委員說不守法請那個都解釋一下好不好如果不守法那今天會議不用開了我請求程旭會議先解釋這件事情要說守法不守法嘛請主席請說明一下主席如果不守法那今天會議不用開了請委員跟我們禮拜如果不守法那今天會議不用開了 |
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那請先程序問題 先解釋有沒有我的說法問一個再簡單的問題現在的年度預算 今年度喔 正實行到五月份喔這是特別條例 特別預算這是特別條例 特別預算不是你個人說的算法好 你就選一 我會說那你也要選一那你明年要不要再添 |
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你明年要不要再編這要特別條例 特別疫苗三期的工廊數字會議完了不守法 會議方塊你明年要不要特別條例進來那明年要不要編你講哪裡不守法我請國務院說明我請國務院說明哪裡不守法那這個經濟部 農業部沒有編不守法的話這會議要開什麼 |
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我們現在按照議事規則我們現在就按照議事規則處理我們現在在審的是特別條例喔那大家對於就是關於海巡署以及國防部的預算放在哪裡有意見那這個部分我們都可以尊重各黨團以及各別委員意見那 |
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意見非常分歧我們現在是不是就第二條大家進行保留程序問題我先要求提出來針對講不守法的事情要做處理要不然每次都說不守法這問題怎麼處理怎麼開會有沒有不守法的問題如果沒有不守法的問題請張綺蘭後面就不要再講這種話了如果有不守法的問題請解釋清楚我們有主任有專委今天行政部門都在如果有不守法的問題那請處理成守法再來處理這個會議 |
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那主席因為如果說這個說話的方向沒有改變他會從第二條一直講到最後都是不守法那我們這邊要審什麼那這些官員坐在這裡難道我們都在處理不守法的東西嗎 |
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因為提出來都是不守法的東西嘛所以我們建議回到年度預算去嘛把這1500億回到年度預算去嘛那其他項目也要回到年度預算嗎大家都有共識啊 都沒問題啊只有你沒提到國土的政策那再補充一下民眾黨的提案也是不守法的提案你還跟著大家提不守法的提案啊民眾黨要不要先撤掉你的案子 |
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你說別人不守法你自己也提不守法的案子照你的標準民眾黨提不守法的案子出來幹嘛我們現在是不是就現在在討論的現在私私有在國土安全這一塊你們把年度預算的東西挪過來啊你也有啊你也有啊勞工安定就業基金就業照民眾黨的說法民眾黨自己的版本也是你的不守法版本啊自己打自己的臉啊 |
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我們現在對於條例裡面大家對於國土安全以及國防就是海巡署的預算放在哪裡有疑義這尊重主席台都按照議事規則處理也尊重各黨團還有個別委員的意見完全都是按照議事規則 |
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主席要求經濟委員會說明到底這個守不守法我們現在會議包內容守不守法如果不守法的話那今天會議是不能開的如果守法那請委員們不要再講出這樣的話來賴委員你是資深委員我們今天按照的議事規則以及從一開始到現在都是按照我們立法院的議事規則處理這個程序都合法 |
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主席完全尊重所有黨團以及所有委員的意見是不是就保留第二條好現在對於特別條例第三條有沒有委員要表達意見 |
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賴委員沒有意見就照行政院版通過第三條我還希望事實上國防部跟海巡署在座說明一下好不好張啟凱委員我建議依照台灣民眾黨版本通過好可以講話嗎可以第三條事實上也就是行政院的我們的台灣民眾黨第四條事實上也是這個行政院的第三條這一條是重中之重事實上所有的項目跟 |
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額度大部分都在這裡面那台灣民眾黨強力的支持應應美國高關稅我們要支持我們的這個產業所以包括在行政院提的100億的協助企業開拓多元市場我們把它提高一倍 |
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變成200億另外在支持勞工這一塊支持勞工的安定就業本來行政院編了150億我們把它大幅提高到350億還有我們支持農業金融改革跟提升產業競爭力跟協助開拓多元的市場所以行政院本來編了180億我們把它提高為300億元 |
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然後呢 在勞健保這一塊 我們有適度的一個提升我們特別增加了普發現金這個6000塊錢另外我們建議要移除的 除了一直在強調的已經撥補三次3000億的這次不要用借私還魂 放進來的台電1000億的這個撥補之外就是我剛剛一直在跟大家強調的既然在年度預算裡面 已經有在國安的這一塊 |
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那就回到年度預算來國安當然是重要的就是因為重要所以每年都在年度預算裡面去強化甚至在預算法裡面有明定你如果真的有出現緊急的狀況你都可以追加預算請大家依照預算法不要破壞財政紀律立法院是一個重視守法跟財政紀律的一個地方所以我建議大家可以採納台灣民眾黨的第四條 謝謝 |
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好 請賴委員我剛剛的兩分鐘的時間因為我們的意見我是支持行政院第九 第十的那我是不是特別請國防部博副說明一下好不好強化國防能量跟資通訊的重要性可不可以請博副說明博副部長 |
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各位委員還有各位委員先進我想國防部在這裡必須要再次強調我們這一次的特別預算我們的苦衷就是在於要快速建立我們的國防部的作業能力另外一個要快速的建立我們作業的能量大家都知道灰色地帶衝突是每天都在發生而中共從來沒有一分一秒放鬆的 |
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那我们的作业的能力,这一点反映在灰色地带冲突的时候,它的迫切性是在我们所有的每天所面临上百万次的网攻,甚至于对我们通信系统的破坏,基础能力的破坏,这个方面是非常严重的。 |
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如果我們能夠現在就編入到我們的特別預算,能夠馬上在國內採購我們所需要的裝備,那就可以馬上的增加我們的作業能力,那對我們的整體的房屋安全是有幫助的,這是第一點。第二點,能量的部分呢,我必須要強調,我們現在很多間接到地方上的全社會房屋任性, |
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諸如水資源或是油量資源或是等等的資源我們國安部的立場是要把這個能量建立好以便在這個緊急狀況的時候比如說天災風災的時候我們國安部有能力去支援地方來協助地方不管在平時發生任何的災變的時候我們有能量去處理第三個我必須要強調的這些預算因為我們變到年度預算是緩不濟急 為什麼 |
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我們如果編到正常預算來編例的話在籌貨方面我現在如果編我馬上就可以籌貨戰利可是如果現在不能編等到明年我後年才獲得那在現在急迫的情況下因為我們國防預度有限我們在作業維持費上面來講我的預度就這麼大 |
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我已經到了飽和了而且我這些預算所編列沒有在政治特別預算裡面所以這點要特別請委員來支持國安部有不得已的苦衷但是希望給我們國安部的資源在能力還有在能量上面來講給我們建立一個這樣子的人量謝謝大家謝謝現在請鄭天才委員 |
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對於第三條這個有關這個行政院版第九款跟第十款的部分因為跟前面的法律名稱還有第二條都被保留了所以這個部分應該就要保留 |
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那對於這個國民黨團版本民眾黨團版本以及很多委員的版本都有提到要補發現金那最主要就是說一個因應這個關稅的一個這個衝擊產業會受到衝擊農業會受到衝擊那一般的人民當然也會受到衝擊 |
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這是必然的一般的人民也會受到衝擊所以這個部分是也要去這個來撲發現金來解決我們這個相關的衝擊以上現在請陳廷飛委員 |
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謝謝主席其實我還是要再次強調其實台電這個部分我們的員工都很辛苦我覺得說當你要把它拿掉的時候要有充分的原因那你今天讓台電更穩定 |
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讓我們整個中小企業的用電更穩定我相信這是基本的所以在這個台灣電力公司這個部分還有我們波普的部分我覺得這是一定要而且必要的我再一次拜託我們的同仁就是說在我們條例的部分處理 |
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不要忘了最辛苦的在基層努力打拼的所有的基層人員那第二個部分是其實在特別條例我們真的很少看到說所謂的哪一個部分不能低於多少哪一個部分不能低於多少這個其實是在我們預算當中才會去審議的那我們都尊重但是我們還是要強調 |
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在整個4100億的部分是我們有裁員我們要當特別預算有特別條例有特別預算是我們要有籌措裁員知道在哪一個區塊所以我們當然尊重每一個黨團的版本可是當你提出的時候你不能偏頗到 |
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哪一个区块说我要取消那个部分来增加哪一个部分要有充分的理由否则每一个单位都是我们要去关注的在我们国土任性经济发展产业发展不论是我们的企业我们的产业农业 |
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余孽都是我們在這個關稅當中所被影響所被欺負的那這個部分我們希望都要兼顧到甚至台電的部分就是企業體一而再再而三他們一直強調希望能夠有撥補撥補之後才不會反架在他們身上我們再次提醒我們的所有的同仁們謝謝好蔡英委員發言完楊瓊英委員 |
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謝謝主席那第三條我想是這一次特別條例最重要的條文因為它涉及到這個4100億未來如何使用的部分那我覺得我還是得強調一下這個條文的本質上就是特別條例要來處理因應國際情勢所以必須要怎麼去做編列的一個大方向的一個調整所以就不會有偷渡 |
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9556.294 |
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不會有所謂的挪移這樣的一個字眼的出現那我要舉例比方說在第四條第三條的第四項第四項的部分有所謂支持安定就業那就涉及到這個對於勞保基金的一個撥補 |
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那事實上我們知道行政院已經連續6年都有撥補勞保基金109年的時候用本預算撥補了200億110年的時候本預算撥補了220億111年撥補300億112年撥補了450億113年撥補了1200億然後再加上易厚特別預算3年分別撥補 |
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各100億等於撥補了300億那這個114年也有撥補1200億所以總撥補的金額是3870億是這6年撥補的金額那我們這次在處理特別預算我們依然是要對勞工支持所以我們一樣是有編列要撥補100億那所以這個既然在本預算有處理這一次的特別預算一樣予以處理 |
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我們對勞工支持那這個不會有說這個是挪用不會有說這個是偷渡預算沒有這樣的狀況同理來說我們現在因應我們整體的國土安全那我們覺得海巡的他的夜間的一個偵測的功能要強化國防部應該要更完備的偵測的能力 |
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那當然在特別預算予以編列所以不會有今天的審議不守法或者是我們有偷渡預算或者是我們去偷偷的挪用本預算到特別預算都沒有這種的總控大家都是很持平的在討論到底4100億要做怎樣的分配好現在請楊澄英委員 |
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謝謝主席 針對這個我想有兩個 |
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两个议题跟相关单位来讨论第一个就是我们台电博普1000亿的事情因为我们从每一次在经济委员会或者是在总咨询的时候都一直请教政府假设我在博普1000亿能不能不涨价但是我们都得不到政府给我们的一个承诺因为之前呢 |
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我們已經有撥補了3000億撥補了3000億但是又漲了民眾大概40%你有很多也就是物價指數的提升等等等等但是我們要求的是說台電的財務黑洞要怎麼處理台電的員工是非常非常的辛苦這也是我每一次在委員會或者是在總諮詢我都一直在強調 |
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但是當人民的錢要出去的時候我們希望看到的是政府的承諾到底這一千億不補了之後還會不會漲價是一年不漲兩年不漲或者是怎麼樣但是從頭到尾我們得不到政府給我們的一個答案跟方向這是第一點那我非常的希望也就是說我一直從頭到尾我就說台電非常非常的重要 |
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那台積這麼重要我們應該要將他的財務管理他的機制要怎麼去調整還有你的來源你的能源政策要怎麼樣去調整應該要給國人一個非常清楚的一個方向才不會波普再漲價漲價再波普讓人民不知所措這個是我覺得政府應該要給人民一個答案 |
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跟一個方向那第二個呢也就是發現性的議題因為我們在年初的時候大家在討論民調也顯示出來民眾確實是需要的民調的民意也認為是支持的像在美國在新加坡因為新加坡他們 |
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也因為這樣子人民在物價指數以及這個調升的時候尤其國際情勢讓人民認為這是有必要的及時雨而且可以刺激整個內需的一個經濟讓人民喘一口氣那我們不知道政府目前的立場到底是怎麼樣所以我特別要提出也就是在民意所希望的也希望能夠得到民眾這個政府的一個 |
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明確的方向 這個才是我們編列推算最重要的一個精神跟最後的一個目標 謝謝好 現在請邱毅宇委員 |
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謝謝主席我是不是能夠請教一下主席長因為我剛剛翻遍了我們行政院的提案就這個第三條的部分包括台灣民眾黨他有很清楚條列他的預算匡列哪一個項目他要多少錢哪個項目要多少錢我能不能請教一下主席長就是就我們現有的規劃行政院的規劃我們的這個特別條例裡頭主要匡列的預算內容 |
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跟金額可不可以简要说明好先等耐斯堡跟邱志伟委员说完以后请主席长回复耐斯堡委员 |
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謝謝這個我也是再講一遍我覺得今天為什麼提這個特別條例主要還是因應這個川普的這個對等關稅到現在為止其實看起來我們並沒有最後的Final而且川普總統變來變去這個變成一個社會全世界一個很大的變數所以我們覺得說在現在4100億裡面 |
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這個居然只有變931才因應這個對等關稅啊實在是太少了 |
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我們覺得可以多編一點啦這個狂人那為什麼這個樣子呢因為這跑出來兩個東西啊一個台電的1000億一個是韌信有關於韌信國防這一部分國防要加2.3%我們都支持啊我們都支持但是不應該放在這裡啦不應該來搶這一塊特別預算的品啦這一塊就是給經濟 |
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因應對等關稅底下的不要來搶這塊餅要那就提就是按照年度預算或者是你再提一個特別預算我們都支持你們不提我們都可以提所以簡單來講我們希望這個特別預算現在行政院送出來的是兩大塊一大塊就是因應這個要對等關稅的一塊這一塊我們就減少可以增加 |
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可以增加另外一塊韌性部分包括海巡的國防的這個是另外一塊完全是不同的東西啊你要硬要扯在一起當然勉強可以扯在一起但實在是差很多啦差很多所以我說如果您不提我們提都可以有提一個加強社會經濟韌性的特別條例 |
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我們再提一個這樣的特別條例裡面來講不只一千五百億加一千億兩千五百億我們可以甚至再增加五百億都可以就看需要在哪裡這是第一點我想補充的第二點我想補充的台電我們已經講夠多次了剛才姚委員講的我都非常同意你只要他還是要漲價他也不承諾不漲價 |
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這樣你等於是放人家破呀這個撥補一千億也是人民的納稅錢然後你要漲價又直接從人民的身上又給他拿錢啊你說八大工商都希望說不要漲價八大工商都希望你用核電啊你為什麼不用你叫你愛聽愛的來講 |
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對不對這個東西啊社會各界的聲音我們都要聽但是大家要想今天很清楚的核電一度一塊一你不用你要去用五塊錢六塊錢的再生能源的那部分而且現在已經變成百分之九十幾 |
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變成我們的店又髒又貴啊這個東西真的禍害全民的健康啦這大家真的為了台灣老百姓的健康著想要好好去思考這個台電 |
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來講人緣結構如果沒有改變應不用核電的話它就繼續虧下去就一直流行下去啊就當年都要補乾脆你補多一點的如果要就補多一點的啊問題是我們希望它不要漲價這提個這兩個一直換啊選一個啊也都沒有做到我們不得怎麼支持了所以整個來講任性的這一部分 |
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我們希望另外提一個特別條例或者匯到年度預算這個你們不提我們來提都可以那這個簡單來說的話就是台電的一千億加上任性的原來編的一千五百這個剛好可以補發現金現在物價漲這麼兇給老百姓一點點的補貼啦不然來加電費也好嘛我的發言完畢 謝謝講得非常好現在請邱志偉委員 |
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謝謝主席因為我中感冒所以才來這邊發言怕影響到雖然我不會咆哮但是難免發言會怕會影響其他同仁所以我在這邊發言等一下大家不要跟過來這個第三條跟主席確認一下這個今天會合法的合法 |
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那我的發言是合法的你要宣示一下會議詢問合法了你是在委員會的發言在合法基礎下我發出一個很優質的發言來第三條啊第三條行政院提案跟國民黨提案基本上有幾個的差異第一個就普發陷阱第二個就所謂 |
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強化國主防衛能量跟資通作業環境這幾個重要的差異我在第一次發言的時候就提到 |
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這個因為川普關稅所引起的經濟不穩定經濟不穩定會影響到社會不穩定社會穩定與否當然很重要當然也牽涉到國家安全國家安全它的定義是很廣義的不是只有國防而已國家安全包括我們內部的穩定包括經濟穩定就業安全也包括國土防衛的基本能力的提升所以我剛才一直強調美國的這個 |
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這個國土部啊國土部是主要處理內部事務要增他主要的這個工作之一要增強內部的因應能量因應能量我可以說明這就是我可以理解這就是韌性嘛因應的能量越強你就有更好的能力去處理任何的危機跟挑戰 |
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所以這個一點都沒有任何違和現在發現有限制那我再簡短了再25秒所以我的問題想請教主席長 |
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你說這個我看到國民黨版本發放現金一萬塊會強化民眾消費韌性擴大內需在一個經濟不穩定的時刻民眾消費習慣他會越積極呢還是會比較保守 |
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以我個人的 我經濟不穩定的狀況下我當然是錢先存起來啊 以備不值是虛啊它會造成對消費的抑制效果 顛倒把錢又存起來我不知道這個觀點 我不是經濟學家我針對這個疑問 國民黨提的版本說一萬塊可以強化民眾的消費韌性 擴大內需 |
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我想我這點是充分我是非常質疑會不會有這種效果我還想請這個請這個主計長來做一個綜合性的說明好 謝謝好 現在請李彥秀委員你在下面就好了 |
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谢谢大家我有提在第三条我希望提一个附带建议附带意见就是我们现在全民健保的基金我们现在全民健保基金其实面临很多财务上的压力为了减轻人民的负担还有包括稳定我们现在民生物价促进产业的升级包括我们现在我们大家都知道我们的医事环境其实面临了很多的挑战包括要想办法留住医事人员还有包括在这一次关税的议题之后 |
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美国药价的调涨面对于现在国际间的药价其实都有很大的挑战那为了我们未来药品采购的稳定而且我们接下来面临超高龄社会化之后我们的高龄化的社会我们要在照护体系要照顾得更完整也因此我的附带意见提出来未来行政部门在本条例的第五条编列各 |
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特別預算的時候對於健保基金的預算數不得低於各期預算總數的12%這是我的附帶決議的意見對於健保的穩定性我特別提出來特別預算不得低於各期預算總數的12% |
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像今年我们的这个健保的拨补才200多亿其实200多亿大家都知道不足对于现在我们面临的把国人的健康照顾的更完整我觉得恐怕包括留住医事人员恐怕有更多的挑战所以我才提出来附带意见不得低于各期预算总注的12%这个附带决议希望有机会获得大家的支持以上谢谢好谢谢那杨委员需要补充一句 |
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非常感謝主席 我再補充因為我們這個川普事件開始關稅問題我也謝謝政府在第一時間4月初的時候大家都紛紛到各個產業去聆聽意見那所以從4月4號宣布到4月10號行政院也邀請縣市首長 |
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来讨论那四月中旬因为在我台中呢我们的手工具机工具机机械类配零组件等等都放手那总统也来部长你也来我们也一直召开跟产业来对谈 |
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但是在4月21號公告的時候我們一直講在經濟委員會我也跟部長討論過我說如果只有880億絕對是不夠的我們依照他目前所說的關稅那個880億根本達不到他的積分值期所以我們非常的希望支持一定要增加 |
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但是呢到最後我們增加的是多少是我們看到的這個預算是值4100億裡頭針對我們產業界是880億加50億等於是930億所以我強烈要求這個930億對於我們整個尤其我們中小企業以及產業界它絕對是不夠的所以我認為在我們這一次的特別預算裡頭 |
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第一個我們的目的就是因為川普這個關稅議題導致全球化貿易戰起來的時候我方要怎麼樣去應對這個是最重要的精神第二個人民的生活非常的重要所以至於這兩點我也希望聽到政府能夠怎麼樣再去調整對我們產業界所需要的經費來協助以上建言好 謝謝現在請主計長回覆 |
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是首先我要說明一個就是說依照財政紀律法第7條的規定就是說如果立法機關制定法律或修正法律法規等不得增加固定經費額度或比率的一個限制所以如果我們在這裡有明定經費的一個編列的下限或者有相關固定的比率 |
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這個整個是不利政府整體資源的運用和效率那也跟財政紀律法會有相違背這是第一點那第二個就是所謂發放現金的時機為什麼現在是覺得不是適當的時機因為當初我們EHO特別預算發放現金的時候那主要是因為受到俄烏戰爭相關的一個那個美中戰爭的一個競爭的一個影響所以我們相關的餐飲 |
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呃旅宿和零售都受到大重大的打擊所以這個部分呢我們必須要來刺激他的一個那個呃一個營業齁那我們目前呢國內市場的內需是非常的穩定非常的穩定尤其那個 |
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內需市場也是非常的活動活絡所以114年1月和113年全年度的一個批發零售和參與全年度的營業額他都創新高所以以現在來講你不需要再去刺激內需市場的效益你刺激的結果可能會不如預期那所以這個部分這兩個就是說因為兩個是背景不同所以我們這個部分我們就是說沒有說支持說要發放現金 |
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那至於剛剛談到的就是所謂這個本條例的內容主要的內容第一個就是行政院版的就是4100億那支持產業安定就業930那裡面有提供企業金融支持250然後提升產業競爭力250那協助企業開拓多元市場100那支持勞工安定就業是150 |
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強化企業金融支持提升產業競爭力是180那另外照顧民生的部分是1670億那裡面強化高度等教育人才培育是200億依住台灣電力股份有限公司1000億那依住全民健康保險是200億那依住勞保是100億那加強照顧弱勢族群提供關懷協助是170億等那加強化國土安全韌性 |
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是1500億以上好謝謝那因為第三條我們所有委員以及各黨團的版本還有跟行政院版本都還有1億那我們是不是就給予保留好不好好那就保留那我第四條再講沒關係我第四條再講 |
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好現在繼續第四條請張祺凱委員剛剛主席講到那個普發現金這個這個事情我要提醒以前民進黨主政的時候蘇貞昌也發過普發現金那剛剛主席剛剛提了幾個原因你是反對的不過如果就目前的通膨的這個狀況還有這是 |
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美國這個高關稅的這個壓力之下這也是為什麼我剛剛一直在強調說要注重財政紀律的這個條文一開始講的是因應國際情勢因國際情勢一開始提的就是高關稅這個衝擊嘛那是因為這個因素所以更需要這時候來普發現金啊它有關聯性嘛 |
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那為什麼會一直主張說國土安全任性這一塊這1500億它是破壞財政紀律的它在年度預算裡面有嘛你應該回去啊剛管秉林管主委講的也印證了嘛你二月份的時候高關稅這個衝擊端美出現的時候你就提到說你應該去爭取這筆預算啊所以它跟這次的這個特別條例本來就應該是偷鍋的嘛所以才會出現所謂的大偷渡大灌水啊 |
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所以我做個簡單的一個結論第一個第一個我們強烈支持普發現金那事實上也是因為這次川普高關稅的衝擊所以請大家支持這個普發現金而且他因為就是因為有這樣的關聯所以他適合列到這次的4100億的條例裡面來那也是因為這樣子我們發現 |
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國土安全的這一塊他應該是在年度預算裡面去的我也提醒大家看一個條文立法院問政看條文預算法第83條明定了有關特別條例編列的第一項是國家緊急設備跟戰爭第二個是經濟有重大的這個變故第三個是重大的災變例如說地震天災這個 |
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第四是不定期一年的重大的這個國政請問這一次的國土安全任性不就是因為在年度裡面不是在特別預算嗎所以我剛才一直在講就這次裡面如果就要符合預算法要維護我們的財政紀律 |
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請我們不是不支持這個國家安全請國家安全就是因為他很重要所以回到國家的這個年度預算裡面去好好去去編列甚至我剛剛都提過了你如果認為真的你的錢是不夠的就像管主委剛剛講的嘛你二月份就提出來就提追加預算嘛那沒有的話來得及就到明年去嘛謝謝現在請邱議員委員 |
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謝謝主席我不曉得為什麼張綺凱委員一直跳針然後一直無限輪迴現在我們講到第5條那你又要再講回來第4條我們現在講第4條你要再講回來前面預算的部分就民眾黨提的第4條的部分尊重我的發言 |
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你刚讲的东西如果原来的年度预算都有的话那请教一下我们原来的年度预算也有提供企业金融支持所以这条也不应该编提升产业竞争力原来的年度预算也有所以这条也不应该编协助企业多元化拓展市场这个原来的年度计划也有强化农业金融支持原来的年度计划也有所以也不应该编 |
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健保的挹注原來的年度計畫也有啊也不應該編啊加強照顧弱勢族群原來的年度計畫也有啊也不應該編啊如果依照您的邏輯的話那其實你的提案所有的錢都不應該變除了普發現金這一條以外那你要一直無限輪迴在這裡轉圈圈我也沒辦法因為你的邏輯就是思考就是這麼樣的 |
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令人無法溝通所以國家安全因應關稅議題因應國際局勢所以他才會有特別條例嘛 |
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那您剛剛講的這些東西其實在原來的年度預算都有的話那其實年度這個特別條例也可以不用提就是因應特別的局勢所以才會有特別條例的產生因應特別的局勢因應國家的安全防衛上面所以才會有把國土安全要把它納進去這個講了一個早上了你還在這裡無限輪迴好 |
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我簡單補充一下啦邱炎邱偉沒有跟上進度是吧剛管碧玲管主委已經講了他在二月份的時候就是高關稅衝擊這你說的國際新情勢之前他就提出要求要爭取這筆預算了 |
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而且在年度預算本來就有 那預算法裡面就是你可以提追加預算嘛 或者回到年度預算嘛這個才是今天的重點 第二個為什麼講普發現金跟這個條文裡面要列在裡面就是因為有國際的新的情勢啊 剛剛講的啊就高關稅這個衝擊以後還有整個通膨嚴重 所以必須給人民一個普發現金啊你當然有前面那個前提 包括勞健保 這些都受到影響才需要去強化嘛 |
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有一個前提是國際的新情勢那剛剛管治委員講的就是說他這個跟新情勢是沒有關係的那沒有關係到底是要移出去啊我們是支持國安的這個預算的管治委提的我們也支持啊那請用追加預算或推到年度預算好 蔡議員藍白在講普發現金的時候是川普關稅也還沒有開始啊那如果這樣的話也不是你們說的新情勢啊 |
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就這麼簡單啦所以不要去把行政院的版本然後認為說我們現在應該有哪些地方來強化然後用特別預算來支撐這一些不管是社會韌性、國土安全不要用莫名其妙的邏輯然後說行政院是錯誤的然後我們在這裡是做不合法的討論好 謝謝 |
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反正大家都有意见所以我们第四条是不是保留好不好现在开始进行第五条第五条邱志伟讲 |
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大部分的這個特別條例裡面所編列的相關的科目跟預算使用用途大部分的年度預算幾乎也有相關的科目啦它為什麼特別特別的意義是什麼大家花點時間不用花點時間兩秒鐘想一想特別是有必要性極度的必要性跟極度的急迫性 |
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這不容易做啊 不行不容易做就糟了所以今天必要性 我想這些所留下幾項的預算便利科目 我想都沒有問題國土安提的韌性包括海巡署這個不僅有必要性 而且有急迫性啦可以利用年度預算跟其他的五省啊哇不知道當時 欸 搞不好這個 |
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在國會優優被你們剪裂或者是凍結 對不對所以這種情況之下大家要有共識這是急迫性的慷慨這是救命之意要克服 要面對經濟動盪經濟不穩定所產生的國家任性國家穩定 社會安全 民生 就業等等 |
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這一都是急迫性 跟人民生活息息相關你沒有用這條錢 你沒有經費過哇 你就沒辦法去因應 內心沒辦法提升我們相關的這個因應作為跟防禦能力跟調整能力就會弱化所以大家緊記著一個觀念就好這觀念不是什麼大道理 急迫性跟重要性 |
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所以不是說在二月份發生之後發生之前預算怎麼樣這個每天的時事都在變動每天的時事都在很多的變化我們作為一個國會議員要了解重要性跟急迫性時間到 我知道 |
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好現在請徐玉珍委員謝謝主席我想剛管主委提出的有關海巡的相關費用是在2月就提出來那其實如果真正有急迫性跟重要性的話為什麼行政院到現在都還不當一回事在處理這樣的事情而且我們可以知道就是說有關的海巡的相關的費用其實除了就是說我們在委員會裡面 |
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可以追加預算我們也不止一次的提過那到目前為止並沒有提出來所以我想這個部分其實跟這一次我們針對關稅戰的部分應該是可以分開來處理國土安全任性非常重要因為非常重要所以我覺得要另外來處理而不是把它併在一起做這樣的一個處理謝謝 |
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好那現在大家都已經討論完畢那也有不同的意見那我們是不是就保留好那第五條保留那第六條有沒有委員要發言 |
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楊瓊瑜委員我還是要很細心的去討論因為我一直得不到行政部門的答案也就是我們編列特別預算的時候我們這個特別預算之所以會編會成案主要的目的是因為我再次重複也就因為川普的這個貿易戰 |
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所以因此我要再一次的強調 我們整個中部地區 傳統產業 中小企業我們的工廠 尤其機械列別 全部都在我們的中部地區所以我們現在看到的行政院版只有編列880億我們吶喊之後才再加50億 等於是只有930億 |
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那我高度的質疑 930億根本沒有辦法協助我們的這個產業怎麼樣去度過這個難關所以我仍舊要希望能夠聽到行政部門 我也拜託行政部門針對我們的產業界度過難關的經費要怎麼樣調升我們全力的支持 請一定務必要做到 以上好 邱志偉委員 |
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現在是進行第六項討論第六條加上第七條、第八條不管是各種版本大概就是到六、七、八、九第六條以後大概是比較屬於技術性、程序性的條文的設計既然前面一到五條 |
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針對這本條例最重要的內涵它的預算編列的科目都已經保留我覺得後續6到9這些程序性技術性的條文更不可能達成共識你前面主要的預算科目都沒有辦法達成共識要保留的話我建議是不是就6到9也一併都保留 |
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沒有啦我不是我建議啊不是啊 兩位我是建議啦我是建議啊說6到9 固然重要但是前面1到5還沒有達成共識 已經保留那6到9 我覺得也不可能有討論出什麼具體的結果所以我覺得好啦 你討論啦 我聽你說好啦 我覺得這個 |
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我會建議說技術性的調穩大家再看看 |
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還有沒有其他委員發言那我們第六條既然大家都有不同的版本那也沒有辦法達成共識我們是不是就保留好那現在進行第七條第七條請問有沒有委員要發表沒有就那個民眾 |
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好那第七條因為各黨團的版本以及各委員的版本都有差異那現在我們是不是也把它保留好那現在進行民眾黨的第六條那因為本條只有民眾黨提案那我們是不是也給予保留好那現在進行第八條 |
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那第八條各位委員跟各黨團的版本與行政院的版本都有差異我們是不是給予保留好那現在進行第九條那因為行政院跟各委員還有各黨團的版本都有差異那我們是不是保留所有版本好 |
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現在由委員提出附帶決議請一併宣讀委員鄭天才等所提附帶決議針對因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性特別條例草案應對美國之關稅變革可能對我國經濟社會各層面之衝擊 |
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用於照顧民生有健保200億老保100億協助弱勢120億共420億建議為因應當前國家處境及全球貿易環境並兼顧台美關稅美國川普總統拋出MFN要價等議題健保基金所獲得的 |
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拨补预算中优先用于增进我国药品供应韧性一促进国内药品制造能力提升药品原物料自主比例二加强国内必需药品的投入资源及储备能力三强化国内药品研发与制制并应制定每年预算至少10亿元 |
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用於鼓勵此目標發展是積極爭取全球研發新藥同步在台實施臨床試驗鼓勵CDMO原開發廠新藥生產增進全球研發新藥對台灣民眾的可敬信 |
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委員李燕秀等所提附帶決議本次修法為舒緩全民健康保險基金財務壓力減輕人民負擔穩定民生物價與國家經濟促進產業升級轉型而課與行政部門編列預算挹注健保基金故未以健保基金驅動永續與韌性支照護網路行政部門應與本條例第五條編列各期 |
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特別預算時 預註健保基金之預算數不得低於各期預算總數之12%宣讀完畢請問同仁附帶決議第一案通過有無意見沒有意見那我們就通過現在進行第二案 |
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第二案大家對於附帶決議第二案通過有無異議好那我們保留第二案保留是不是好那我們就保留附帶決議全部保留啦因為你剛剛本文全部保留啦保留啦好那就是兩案都保留 |
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好 附帶決議兩案我們現在保留請問各位同仁上次會議議事錄有無錯誤沒有錯誤那我們議事錄確定 |
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請宣讀協商結論 |
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好那現在本日所列的因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性特別條例審查完據拟據審查報告提報院會討論請問需不需交由黨團協商 |
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好那就交黨團協商院會討論時有本席說明審查過通過的條次條文引述條文部分文字及相關法制用語授權主席及議事人員整理本日議程處理完畢謝謝大家散會 |