| IVOD_ID |
166915 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166915 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-07T11:55:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-07T12:06:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8a4de0f3676b468fab2f033c8bed7fba5d44f5a94e3adf35a2318d3e8cde50e9720e17fc406f2b395ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:55:02 - 12:06:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請金融監督管理委員會主任委員彭金隆、財政部部長莊翠雲、國家發展委員會副主任委員就「如何引導國內資金擴大參與公共建設及策略性產業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我請國發會高副主委請高副主委高副主委是這 |
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將近兩年來我在不管是財政諮詢總諮詢一再的提醒我們國內我們民間資金最大宗就是受險業他可運用資金35兆那麼裡面有7成25兆 |
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被他們拿到海外去購買國外的債券基金等等這兩大風險一個戰爭一個匯率現在都碰到了那麼我們政府在賴總統的財師之下也有交代左院長政府院長他們都有積極處理所以 |
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我覺得這個部分人家金管會跟財政部都處理得很積極我簡單跟你講說金管會的處理立刻放寬保險業資金投入公共建設的規定把這個比例由10%提高到15% |
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那財政部因為有很多受險業者也來反應說有啊他們願意回來他們願意回來只是對公共建設的案件定義這個是不是能擴大他們也講了我立刻跟莊部長要求莊部長他也成立了專案辦公室會整全國的促參案件那麼每個月在一個平台網路去公告而且還主動 |
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告知受險公會跟各家受險公司主動跟他們接洽遇到什麼困難可以找財政部警管會幫助他們都做得很積極只有啊這個我們國發會我一次不懂 |
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國發會你們在去年就講了 你們去年就講了 說目前你們掌握的受險業有興趣在公共建設 你說我包括離岸風電 再生水廠 海水淡化廠 地下水 下水道等等等等 您認了一大堆 你說第一波就有這麼多 |
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第一波就有這麼多這還是你講的然後去前年前年你講的前年的11月你們針對這個造園投資專案造園投資專案這個也是國發會提的造園投資專案這個發想 |
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設計這些都很好但是推動有很大的問題啊你到前年11月你就說已經受理兩件保險業者來申請那我就問啊我就問我們國發會說那是哪兩件啊 |
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結果你們答覆我說一件事某一個私募基金就倉儲物流中心提出申請第二個你說某個建設公司就觀光養殖產業比方說漁業附加價值作業設施等等你說這個已經受理這兩件結果這兩件 |
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那個副主委這兩件通通跟壽險業無關耶這兩件主導者的一個是虱目基金一個是那個建設公司他們兩家是不是另外會再去找壽險公司幫忙引進壽險回流的資金這不曉得 |
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而且這兩屆加起來也不過兩百億也不過兩百億所以我結論我是要告訴你是說你們國發會 |
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畫大餅很會啦做大餅一點都不會那個委員請你給我一點時間說明我們國發會在兆元投資方案裡面的角色第一個這個案件的確是我們國發會提出來的 |
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那最重要的我們有三個策略主軸第一個是促參的這個案這個部分事實上他的主管機關是財政部所以包括促參障礙辦公室還有促參的創新機制跟促參的提高的用意我知道你念的那個部隊 |
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都是我們那時候規劃基礎來的你們要上拜訓台又在那邊誇誇而談我是告訴你是說那你左邊推給財政部右邊推給金融會那你今天來幹什麼我們國發會是一個策略規劃的單位 |
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如果涉及到 特定個案單位 至少你不要說謊啊我問你 我問你 受險業資金申請那你為什麼要欺騙立法院 欺騙立法委員我跟委員報告 你剛剛講的那個叫做基礎建設那個只是我們引導基礎建設不是國家建設嗎 是 |
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可是之前它不是在受險業可以投資的範疇所以我們那時候就隨同的金管會修管理辦法把它納入到受險業可以投資的範疇所以您說的那兩岸是屬於基礎建設的範疇不是屬於公共建設的範疇那基礎建設是我們重新 |
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你認為說基礎建設那個不在國家建設的範圍就對不是不是你說那個不在產業升級條例沒有包括在內原來受險資金是不可以投資基礎建設所謂的基礎建設跟公共建設的不一樣就是說公共建設它他們都有所謂的公共建設的性質可是它不是否你扯這個齁我只能告訴你說四個字 |
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這早在財政部裡面這個早就已經修改好了啦如果 你告訴我說你的講法就是說國發會只負責畫餅不負責做餅你這樣給我答覆我們國發會負責規劃 |
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所以沒有你下去規劃推動財政部他們就不知道該怎麼做就對了 |
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所以你今天是上級指導單位所以國發會今天主委不用來就派你一個副主委來應付就對了因為我們是依照委員會的指派我們是副主委出席沒有指派我們主委出席你回去把這些法規什麼時候人家財政部金管會已經怎麼樣通例 |
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我們可以跟委員詳細的說明他們也很積極的跟這些受險公司都已經鼓勵他們回來有具體的計畫給他們受險業資金35兆裡面有7成25兆 |
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已經在海外曝險了我們一定要趕快讓他們回來回來就好來增加我們公共建設的資金來壯大我們國家好啦 謝謝委員我們會跟委員詳細說明那不要說謊喔不要又扯一些不會不會 我們覺得經得起考驗你那兩個案子就是說謊啊沒有說謊因為他以前是不准投資的 |
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我現在請問你 那兩個案子是不是受險資金不是嘛 你明知道嘛他 我跟你說我們對 我們會允許就是受險業可以投資這些可是他是一個PC跟VE也是屬於受險業可以投資跟PE VC的他們投資的標的那兩個不是就對你在給我們的回答裡面你正式就打了這兩份 |
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對我而言不是被你說成是那就是兩個字我們會再跟委員解釋請問請問你記得啦你就只會畫大餅啦那個時間暫停我請那個莊部長我們請莊部長 |
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先前我們這個也講了大概一年促參的案件爭議頻傳那麼這些紛爭的解決我覺得因為如果我們沒有一個快速的處置方式的話這個訴訟程序曠日廢時而且耗費大量的行政成本這個影響整個促參法公益最大化 |
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的這個目的所以當時我就要求我要求就是說是不是我們在促參案件裡面加入強制仲裁這個條款那時候你有答覆我你說法務部說不行說這個可能違憲結果我也真的就排隊就去問了法務部 |
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法務部答覆說沒有啦他不是這個意思因為我跟法務部講啊我說如果出參法加入這個是違憲的話那我們現在公共工程我們政府發包的公共工程都有強制仲裁的條例耶那難道說所有公共工程都是違憲嗎所以我今天就是要正式告訴你說如果這個樣子法務部都同意了 |
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同意以后 我有问过我们财政部财政部还是跟我说 我说法务部说同意 他没有说违宪你们财政部给我的答复竟然是说好 那你们研议所以我今天我要问你你们研议的结果怎么样当法务部都同意都放行了那你认为这应该怎么办 |
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謝謝委員這個關注所以法務部在12月17號去年12月17號函附給我們了他就告訴我們說如果促參經過審酌公益性跟必要性的話那事實上可以審慎的納入強制仲裁所以對於這個部分我們會根據這樣的一個情況我們會把它研議然後會跟委員做報告我們的研議情況會跟委員做報告 |
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因為畜産這些案件太可怕你知道嗎一年等於增加了18件128億元的損失就是說這些拖延的那觀光休憩設施最重要那個部分高達將近500億464億元是在觀光休憩設施而那些延至目前有的一拖拖十幾年那會影響我們國內以及我們對外招募國際觀光客 |
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生意快速解決可以公共服務不中斷我想這是最主要的目的既然兩邊不和了那我們就快速解決強制重產好不好好 謝謝王委員 |