| IVOD_ID |
166914 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166914 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-07T11:50:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-07T12:00:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8a4de0f3676b468f79b33ebfc106b84501bb1e1b9e929a61a2318d3e8cde50e92cdafff4c0ecf7955ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳沛憶 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:50:11 - 12:00:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：審查
一、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二、委員陳雪生等20人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員陳雪生等20人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十八條條文修正草案」案。
四、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第七條及第八條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員翁曉玲等17人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第五條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。
七、委員許宇甄等18人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。
八、委員萬美玲等16人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。
九、委員黃建賓等16人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。
十、委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員高金素梅等17人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員郭昱晴等18人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例部分條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案」案。
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謝謝 我請教育部張料萬監次長好 請次長吳衛仁好 |
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市長好我想全國的教師都非常的關心我們教師的權益那不只是教師這也是家長跟學生所關心的因為教師的權益有得到保障也就是我們的教學品質有得到保障這也是為什麼過去從2016年到現在十年之間軍公教的薪資調整我們一共調了四次 |
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在小英前總統任內調了3次去年賴清德總統也調漲了3%這10年來我們加總是增加了14% |
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那過去2008年到2016年之間只增加過一次但是我認為這個還不夠未來我們也應該要隨著我們的物價調整社會的狀況持續的來給我們軍公教的薪資來調升那除了薪資以外其實在教學的現場教師有很沉重的負擔所以說有教師逃亡這樣子的一個問題都存在 |
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所以我們在 上一次我在院會總諮詢的時候也當場來跟院長情誼 也跟院長討論說我們針對我們基層教師在終點費 在導師費 在行政佳績上面希望要給他們提升所以我們教育部這一次做的調整提升也就是針對終點費導師費 行政 |
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都來有所調升但是有收到很多教學現場的回饋也是今天要跟你們討論的第一個就是終點費我們的幼兒園的教保員 |
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也非常的辛苦所以之前也有跟你們建議說導師費除了教師要來提升我們教保員導師費也要來增加這個我們什麼時候可以來實施上路啊對 剛才其實那個委員也有問我們會在這個月前開始盤點整個修要點完之後一樣追溯到這個去年的9月1號你們這個教保導師加給跟教保費的要點上次修113年嘛所以我們現在會再修訂對不對 |
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所以我们预计教保员的导师费提升1000要点修完马上就要来上路这个请你们要尽快谢谢委员关心我们然后呢再来就是我们的这个行政 |
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獎金 你們是用行政獎金 但當時我跟院長拜託的是行政加級所以我想要請教為什麼我們要另外去設一個行政獎金這樣的制度然後又設置了一個50班以上我跟50班以下你加的錢還不同 1000 1500校長 2000這個為什麼要設這個門檻 |
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跟委員報告其實我們這個要幫行政人員加急來解決行政大逃亡這樣子的一個現象其實從大概好幾年前就開始兩三年前大概兩年前我知道說其實教育部就一直在跟行政院方面沒錯因為市長您過去也是民意代表你也很常在校園裡面走動你非常了解教學現場我們現在全國50班以上的學校有幾層 |
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453校這佔了幾成大約一成多一成多代表你全國有幾乎九成的學校它是50班以下的對 50班以下我們也是有加級就是說其實我們剛剛委員其實問到一個很重要的我們一直比較沒有辦法突破的就是說 |
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其實行政院這邊站在整體國家整體性的考慮他會覺得行政家級可能不是只有學校裡面有教育現場需要這個可能有很多其他的單位他們也會是不是也可以比照你教育部如果這樣可以的話學校可以的話我的單位也很忙這個 |
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依據我對於教學現場僅限的了解我認為50班以上跟50班以下的教師他的行政工作其實都是沉重的我們既然要給教師行政我們認為教師應該專職嘛既然要有行政工作我們要給他們加級的話 |
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我覺得喔 不要去設這個KPI我還要看你工作表現教學表現的品質是我們最重視的所以我們不希望行政在造成他們教學的負擔嘛這個我希望你們可以持續去跟持續去跟基層討論持續去跟基層討論好不好因為你設了50班的門檻50班以下 全國九成的學校都50班以下請持續跟基層討論再來還有一點 因為我們這次有回溯 |
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這都是美意嘛因為我們希望既然要增加前面的也要把它加進去但是呢基層也反映也擔心啊會不會有增加很多行政的工作來我請教未來這個地方政府要交什麼資料給你們教育部可以拿到這個回溯的補助其實我們撥款重減要交什麼資料嗎重減嘛對不對重減然後讓地方那地方政府要學校交什麼資料給他們你們知道嗎 |
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不知道 所以這個不只是尊重 拜託教育部要去跟地方政府也要求地方政府對學校的心思關於回溯這一點的行政也是從寬從簡只要是合法的 可以認定的 從寬從遠來認定這拜託你們要去跟地方政府做後續的關心 |
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那這個關於偏鄉教師有一個事情要跟市長討論因為去年的時候有開過公聘會那我看到有學者給我們建議就是說其實很多學術界都希望對我們的偏鄉教育來做研究也是希望來幫忙我們教育部找出問題解決問題但是發現到我們對於偏鄉的這個資料第一個 |
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資料庫不夠公開很多資訊找不到然後第二個沒有系統性的例如說我們對偏鄉的這個調查其實資料很多但是分散的我們偏鄉條例第19條就有明定這個這是你們的法定業務應該要來編列預算辦理調查研究作為政策調整的參考我請教一下我們現在對於偏鄉的教師的這個流動啊這個數字我們是多久做一次 |
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我們每年都有 其實教育部的統計所以剛才我提到一個數據就是我們的流動率我們每年都在調查每一年來做調查我們才知道說我們偏鄉條例上路之後我們挹注資源增加援額然後鼓勵地方政府聘正式援額現在一連串的措施下來了這些資料在哪裡可以看得到我們可以有沒有公開我們沒有 |
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這個學者的反應是沒有公開那連做研究的學者教育專家都找不到了何況是大眾所以呢 給你們一個具體的建議就是關於偏鄉這個教育的研究第一個要穩定然後你要持續性的做 |
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然後要公開我們現在也是支援持續性的投入這個很重要所以我們也看到那個流動率持續性的在下降對然後呢在這個當中我們也看到了就是因為看你們的數字嘛我們在2017年的時候修偏鄉條例的時候當時有一個重點設計了偏鄉專聘教師結果專聘教師的數字現在是多少 |
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零 零人嘛 這是你們統計的數字因為當年在修的時候我也是委員對沒錯 那麼過去這個專聘教師要由誰來招募是由地方政府還是學校 主要是由地方政府來招聘嘛來從我們訂定條 我們修了這條之後地方政府招聘了幾次大概有用了大概這麼多年來大概只用這個用了12個人 |
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只招聘了12次只有新北跟嘉義有招聘過而且招聘之後報到的人數更是個位數其實後來後來其實他們都比較傾向用正式的缺正式缺還是比較有誘因 |
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但是我們當時這個制度的設計也是希望在偏鄉地區的代理教師一個吸引他們第二個是給他們更好的環境所以我要講的就是說從你們在對統計的數字其實是可以給我們的政策的改進改善做很大的參考的所以第一個希望我們對偏鄉教育的這些調查 |
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這個要確實然後資料公開第二個我們針對這個制度要依據你們調查的結果甚至學術界他們如果有調查的成果我們可以拿來做參考持續的去改進像這個偏鄉的專聘教師我想 |
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這個0人那市長應該是不滿意啦要怎麼樣來改進呢改進就變正式的現在正式的區比較多那是一個方式但是偏鄉專聘教師這個制度如果要繼續存在的話一定要改善嘛不可能連年都是0人嘛這個要請你們持續的有些制度上可能也與時俱進比如說他可能在現在的用這個方法的比較少 |
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那我們可以再精進再想如果有需要的話我們會再去改善他的那個誘因讓他能夠進來制度裡面變成解決問題的方法所以要精進嘛好 謝謝次長 謝謝主席好 謝謝吳佩奕委員 |