| IVOD_ID |
166907 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166907 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-36,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-07T11:24:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-07T11:34:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8a4de0f3676b468f743b614e12992bec91c86f75780029905aa3b5816bd951ef1cf611dc18aaa0c55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:24:36 - 11:34:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、併案審查行政院函請審議「衛生福利部組織法第二條、第五條及第八條條文修正草案」案等10案。
二、併案審查行政院函請審議「衛生福利部兒少及家庭支持署組織法草案」案等7案。
三、併案審查行政院函請審議「衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署組織法草案」案等6案。
四、併案審查行政院函請審議「衛生福利部中央健康保險署組織法第二條條文修正草案」案等5案。
五、併案審查行政院函請審議「國家醫療科技評估中心設置條例草案」案等4案。
六、併案審查行政院函請審議「國家中醫研究院設置條例草案」案等10案。
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我們有請最專業的蘇清泉委員來做詢答謝謝我也是入屆的,我算兩個的我們這裡有兩個、兩個、一個坐在這一排的都對國家社會有貢獻的來,請好,謝謝主席我們不愧是我們屏東離港出生的正好孩子我們兩個,今天你們兩個還拚還拚保定,拜託來,有請石副長 |
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師傅你好我們台積電派去亞利桑那裡的工程師現在非正式統計已經派清潔的去這清潔的可以從頭到尾去聽說現在懷孕到要生孩子就要三百的他派一個清通的 清理的作用 |
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所以我的結論是,我們台灣的年輕人不是不會生不是沒能力生,是不敢生所以我們剛才講了很多,講了幾次像莊烈雄做律師有幾個人,所以會死的我會死的,我沒有生,不是說我不會生我從沒變成生的,所以人工生殖法現在正在發生 |
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來 我要報告的就是說他為什麼在美國他會加薪 他加要用就是他安心 這個是最重要他社會福利支撐過 網子過硬 美國人 |
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小孩去 太太去留學生留學生去只要一懷孕那他們會通報那他們的社會處只要接到這個已經懷孕的第一件事就是給你列案第二件事就是先來就來先來 |
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讓你喝到臉紅也倒喝 都喝不完喝到臉 隔壁也要掛在旁邊掛在旁邊倒喝是這樣 先來如果不出群聚讓你喝剩的這樣那顧什麼 顧那個孩子那個孩子 留學生也不是美國籍留學生簽證而已因為這些小孩子是整個國家整個世界的未來 |
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所以你如果有這種支撐你就會高升啊你台灣的時候要走不管國民黨接著好了 民進黨接著好了就越升越少 現在少了最少的名字剛才柔子講的第一名是渡兵省最少的名字出生率 出生率最少這個是我們要深思的啦所以你說十萬塊 中央補助十萬塊如果我看要不夠 |
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我們管路要再補十萬所以我化工二十萬就是這樣來的每個月給六千塊補給小孩子小孩子營養 午餐 免錢這都蓋起碼的了啦 不定另外一個檔案我們的飛機掉下去大家都很不敢的那一個飛管開了一個飛管都開了幾億人生肯定那是什麼 |
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我看不下去就是不管是國民黨執政我去屏東P3C緩前期P3C緩前期在屏東成軍我有去參加那時候馬英九執政那個P3C緩前期你知不知道 |
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40年這樣 40年的飛機引擎換換的 裡面的設施換換的就夠了啦 一隻機能賣我們50個代表我們買了12架那我要講的就是說我們希望我們的飛行員都能開新的飛機 好的飛機而不是用F-16AB那種舊飛機然後upgrade mid-life upgrade |
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玩玩的也很久以前了他的肌身跟毛皮都沒有換所以我們同歸好意上同歸意上我們是要希望美國把我們高興的給我們用心的回去這樣對不對不然我講的是題外話啦但是我是希望大家都把機器快點找到雖然是很 |
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很危急喔好那今天你的組織變革這個組織要增加大家問很多了我就問兩件第一個就是你的國家科技中心另外一個是國家中醫研究院那我請問你喔這個科技研究評估中心那是要幹什麼 |
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跟委員說明 現在健保要給付因為越來越多這種高貴的藥新藥發展的越來越快但是價格都不便宜但是資源有限所以現在要納入健保之前都按照我們健保法42條的規定會進行醫療科技評估來評估它的這個成本效益的問題財務的影響還有它可能產生的效益跟社會 |
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社會經濟的關聯性等等所以這個是醫療科技評估我們現在都是委託一個財團法人在做我們希望未來這個量越來越大專業的人才的需求也越來越多所以把它成立成一個行政法人來協助做健保給付的時候的前端的這個評估 |
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所以主要是要核心藥 核癌藥那原來那個藥品查驗基金會藥品查驗登記中心他是負責藥品取證你要上市之前的許可前端的作業 |
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所以兩個不疊床才有不 現在是要把它分開讓它兩邊分開不要合成所以新的藥的引進跟新藥的查核會速度會加快對然後要得到預期的效果你不要越拖越久越拖越久是因為沒錢所以才一直拖 |
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我們現在有的需求如果符合我們的unmade medical need就是醫療上有缺口的藥我們現在新藥有平行審查一方面在送查驗登記取證的過程就可以來跟健保申請納入給付這樣就縮短了 |
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所以不管是要健保要給予的或者是要智慧的這要這個中心都要先做就對了那健保現在戶北企業也要在這個中心來審是不是 |
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他是做這個要不要納入健保幾戶建議的審查啦要不要納入健保的總額還有癌症新藥基金來支持好 遺棄呢 遺棄沒有啦 |
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新藥 新科技 新儀器 新的耗材新的 我們現在有一些是智慧衣材有AI功能的那些那也是新的東西 那也要評估因為有人在施語說你這個你這個疊床架 你這個 |
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是在安置你的閒置人力 雇佣沒有吧 沒有這個事情沒有 這是要讓他要羅織更多的專業人才那不是一般的公務員能做的這些要專業的人力的培育那第二個國家中醫研究院這個他又要做什麼 |
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現在我們有一個是國家中醫藥研究所專門在做研究提供一些檢驗方法或者是新藥的研發但是因為受限於公務機關的用人 |
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這很多也是委員會最清楚 很多人才不是用公務系統的禁用所以讓他成為一個國家中醫研究所 讓他的人才的羅織可以更廣 有彈性同時讓他去發展從臨床前的研究到臨床的研究 |
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所以这些研究的科技人才不是用公务人员的资格来聘用所以也不受公务人员的管制所以用人科研活泼他的待遇科研很高那这样会不会打击公务人员的士气 |
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他的取材來源不一樣啊比如說有些他是需要博士後研究的人他是要有中醫的背景那個要跟產業競爭啊要跟外面的用人要去競爭啊所以他的薪資需要比較彈性不是跟一般的公務員的那個薪給制度相同所以這個是我比較擔心的 |
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就是說看起來很好 但是下去 碰下去 弄下去會不會讓公務員產生不平衡這個是你要注意的地方 要小心的地方做的事情不一樣 做的事情不一樣因為研發出來會繼轉 然後會變成產業化所以它那個對整個台灣的中醫藥的發展會很有貢獻 |
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我看這個世界十大藥廠他們的研發啦一百個研發能夠成功差不多十件然後能夠上市差不多兩件所以研發會成功不成功那是未定之數啦你如果說是要做原始的研發其實是要做的 |
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那是不一樣的我們會給你支持啦但是你這個後面衍生出來的問題你要小心啦好 我們會這個都要兼顧啦都會兼顧好 謝謝 |