| IVOD_ID |
166902 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166902 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-07T11:08:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-07T11:20:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8a4de0f3676b468fd150aa650761df3b5d44f5a94e3adf355aa3b5816bd951ef19161ef466b908c65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:08:05 - 11:20:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請金融監督管理委員會主任委員彭金隆、財政部部長莊翠雲、國家發展委員會副主任委員就「如何引導國內資金擴大參與公共建設及策略性產業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席 各位出列習慣人員大家早安主席可否請讓股市上兩萬點接著也上三萬點的彭金榮 彭主委還有陳正波莊部長還有國發國發會會 高副主委好 那請彭主委 莊部長還有高副主委好 委員好那個 |
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洪主委你好台灣就有兩隻龍一個是楊青龍一個是彭青龍雙龍飛舞股市上萬點看到兩萬點現在已經到了三萬點主委這個三萬點到底站得住站不站不住 |
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我想我也很清楚金管會不會對未來的股市做這樣的預測當然我們還是一樣就是我們的資本市場遲早都要反映我們的基本面那你看一下今年的經濟成長率你對台灣未來經濟的發展有沒有信心其實我一直對台灣經濟發展很有信心但是充滿了挑戰跟我們非常困難的問題要解決 |
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所以你看現在的台股已經破三萬點了這個是常態還是偶發性的出現 |
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這個既然是創新高那當然就是現在看到的狀態我們資本市場永遠無法做一個所謂的你能夠做一個準確的預期它本質上就是反映所有全球包括國內所有資訊的總和那這個部分我們對未來這只能戒慎恐懼我們要做好所有因應的措施我們看到現在整個大盤大概是80%集中在半導體以及AI的周邊 |
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政府也在這個裡面國發基金也推出了AI的十大建設那不是代表政府全面在做多AI相關周邊以及半導體嗎我想我也非常清楚像這個因為台灣不能夠 |
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獨外於全球整個的趨勢跟影響剛才講這個東西是全球在主要經濟體大概都一樣面臨到這樣一個趨勢的選擇跟市場上的判斷所以主委你還是看好AI囉我剛才講說我個人來看的話因為我不是這個專業那專業是誰這個AI的專業很多啦但至少多數國發會不會 |
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國家發展委員會這個算是專業啦我請一下高副主委那你們在整個未來的發展我看到你們持續還是重壓半導體以及AI周邊的相關公司啊這是世界的一個趨勢潮流嗎 |
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我跟委員報告AI絕對是各個國家國力競爭的要素之一很重要我們AI新十大建設裡面其實我們除了要確保台灣的核心的AI的競爭的技術面以外其實很重要一個是創新運用這一塊所以我們創新運用這一塊其實我們是希望透過創新運用帶動百工百業的 |
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產業轉型跟升級尤其是傳產跟中小企業所以並不是獨厚所有的AI或者是半導體產業這個有沒有包括算力中心 |
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我想算力中心是AI的基礎建設是每個國家一定就是說算力會變成每個國家的一個基礎的建設部長妳也不要怕因為台灣就是重壓半導體所以現在台灣的人均GDP已經超越南韓了大概明年也要超越今年 |
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馬上要超越日本其實應該是原因沒有其他這個就是一個時代的潮流跟未來的一個趨勢我覺得與其說我們重壓還不如說我們在AI的創新運用的這個國際的競賽的賽道上我們站到一個很關鍵性不可或缺的地位 |
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你不要怕啦 你就是支持他就對因為 娟生晃 黃仁勛也是來自台灣阿台灣幫助台灣人 這有什麼害怕的對的事情就堅持那既然往這個方向發展請問今年的經濟成長率大概你們預估是多少 |
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今年根據主計數預估大概是3.5次那ADB有到4%左右那這個成績其實還蠻不錯因為去年我們是7.37去年年初的時候就是換到前年年底左右你們預估只有3點多而已結果去年出來的成績是7.35 |
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那個報告委員你的數據有點低估另外再請教一下國發基金裡面現在有沒有持股台積電當然有比率多少6點多6點多對6%多6點那就是有36兆多囉是不是按照他市值來算的話3兆多啦3、4兆的股票的市值啦對那面對現在的情況 |
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375.561 |
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那你们会不会卖因为股价已经很高了会不会卖股票我们最近我们很多年都没有出脱台积电的股票很多年是因为那时候五百块开始起涨你那时候当然不会卖因为那个投信工会理事长张喜从五百块一直喊喊到一千多块还在喊就证明他是对的所以你们当初我一直逼迫你们就说你们到底要不要卖 |
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376.321 |
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402.834 |
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還好你們那時候聽了本席的建議一張都沒賣現在本席還是繼續要請問你因為台積電之於台灣未來經濟的發展還是相當的重要所以你們手上台積電的股票會不會賣我們國發基金持股不以獲利為目的所以會不會賣所以我們會秉持我們覺得我們需不需要持有這個台灣的策略性產業的思考的範疇來決定我們 |
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405.376 |
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431.318 |
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我們會不會有相關的事故的行為需不需要繼續掌控這樣的一個核心的價值跟技術那個委員你覺得呢很需要啊對很需要所以你就不會賣就對了我剛才說過我剛才我們的處理的原則是小心啊不要台積電最後淪落變成是美國的附庸因為持股最多還是外資啊是不是這樣 |
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433.19 |
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444.738 |
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目前是 可是他不是單一的大概都是Pension Fund那些等等的他不是 如果是單一投資人的話我想國發基金還是最大的因為我們有這樣的基礎我最要恭喜的就是財政部莊部長每天笑嘻嘻今天都開心部長 你知道現在日均量大概 |
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459.42 |
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478.189 |
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已經破紀錄一天成交八千億我們在場的證券交易所林董事長等一下一起上來一下你也是福星福將上去我看你也都是運籌帷幄笑裡談兵隨便都是破紀錄來 部長 |
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480.58 |
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500.309 |
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如果每天日均量都是八千億那請問你們八千億你們一天大概政府的證交稅抽了多少錢可能要算一下來旁邊算一下三分之三嘛八千億嘛三八二四二十幾億吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
503.108 |
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530.336 |
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還有當沖降稅我的當沖降稅減半現在當沖的部分大概市場裡面佔了百分之多少的比例上次我們算到40%那你扣掉你就政府只要這個股市一開張你就輕輕鬆鬆落袋21是吧那預估今年的增交稅大概會預算會有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
531.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
540.323 |
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你说1145年还是11今年是115年因为去年已经过了而且去年我们全部的税收又超增 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
542.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
567.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
14年的目前來說我們要等到12月整個結算以後才知道那目前來說到11月底為止因為只有達成預算數的94.6%那我們會等到12月底可是12月表現也不錯啊12月底當然是證交稅那部長你看面對現在證交稅這個今年度你大概變多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
568.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
589.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
什麼 對不起政交稅 今年的預算因為還沒有經過大院的審議沒有 你現在送來的資料是要多少我們的預算案數的政交稅是2501億你又低估了如果以日均量8000億來算的話那你一年的預估是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
590.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
617.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我們基本上我們會用整年的一個平均數來計算這個證交稅那當然我們在編的時候事實上是在今年譬如說14年再編15年的時候大概在四五月就開始做籌編事實上很難去預估說15年整體的證交稅日均量的平均量是會是多少那大概都好了我們把這個市場把餅做大我們也歡迎很多海外的資金可以進來投資那 |
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619.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
623.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
最後再問一個問題普發現金現在進度怎麼樣全部都領到了嗎普發現金目前已經領取的人數超過2170萬人了大概是92.22%的人都已經領取了面對這次的普發現金整個作業流程部長您滿不滿意 |
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643.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
672.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
普發現金因為我們採取多元的管道方式目前來說都算順暢其實這一次普發現金的民調大家普遍都是按讚這個對財政部是一種嘉獎跟激勵謝謝委員我們也希望說今年如果稅收超增的話有這樣的一個經驗立刻再補辦一次再來辦一次普發現金也許不到一萬六千塊也可以部長你說好不好 |
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673.781 |
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684.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
委員今年的整個稅收跟預算數之間的差距我們會等到12月底的數字出來以後大概會有一個明確的一個數字好 謝謝因為證交所董事長來講幾句話好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
688.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
709.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
股市三萬點台灣經濟有亮點那請問一下林董事長你對現在整個台灣的這個股市這樣會不會過熱或者這只是新年的第一個起步而已因為馬年又到了啊馬年到萬馬奔騰有沒有信心這主要我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
717.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
740.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
這個上市公司的基本面都非常好啦所以我們基本上我們還是還蠻審慎熱觀的現在已經有32個千斤股啦這個正不正常啊這個都是市場的機制的反應這個我想這個跟全世界的脈動我想台灣證券交易所現在跟全世界脈動真的都非常的緊密相關 |
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741.557 |
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748.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
好 謝謝繼續努力啦好 謝謝我看你是福星福將兩萬 三萬點一直破謝謝有沒有機會到四萬點好 謝謝盧委員 |