| IVOD_ID |
166891 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166891 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-36,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-07T10:43:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-07T10:54:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8a4de0f3676b468fcd9472e30d860cb991c86f75780029903ec197a1c72cb6c4f8515a4deb48f6755ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
翁曉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:43:48 - 10:54:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、併案審查行政院函請審議「衛生福利部組織法第二條、第五條及第八條條文修正草案」案等10案。
二、併案審查行政院函請審議「衛生福利部兒少及家庭支持署組織法草案」案等7案。
三、併案審查行政院函請審議「衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署組織法草案」案等6案。
四、併案審查行政院函請審議「衛生福利部中央健康保險署組織法第二條條文修正草案」案等5案。
五、併案審查行政院函請審議「國家醫療科技評估中心設置條例草案」案等4案。
六、併案審查行政院函請審議「國家中醫研究院設置條例草案」案等10案。
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有請石部長還有張秋元副人事長副人事長請 |
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好 謝謝部長跟副人事長那麼今天因為主要是涉及到就是衛福部要多成立兩個三級機關一個兒少署還有一個長照社會署那麼在這邊的話本席想請教因為依照人事總署的報告有說現在三級機關的這個局跟署在總數不變的情況之下然後可以進行做調整是不是請教張副 |
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人事長意思是這樣嗎好謝謝委員的詢問那現在三級機關這個屬局的總數是71個那現在是這個滿的狀態那為不這次調整是在他原來的配置底下去做一個 |
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所以好 那請教那個部長所以你們現在是在你們既有的三級機關裡面有五個署一個局所以你們是在這五個署一個局裡面然後再去增加兩個署還是說你們是把社會家庭署看起來是要把它拆解成為多兩個一個署變成兩個署 |
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跟委員說明我們在本來我們的組織配置裡面是五署一局但是那個局是還沒有設立那個是預留的就是國民年金局那我們現在把這個局就不再設立了我們設立這個兒少級家庭支持署 |
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那另外我们现有的这个社会及家庭署我们把这个里面的一些业务移到了这个儿少然后再把一些长照的业务移入所以变成长照及社会发展署 |
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是 謝謝部長的解釋所以你的本心了解就是你們還是在系有的三級機關就是六個的總數底下然後去做組織的一些調整但是國民年金局你們不打算成立嗎為什麼不成立目前的國民年金的業務的話就會在這個社會及家庭署裡面這個長照及這個長照及社會發展署裡頭 |
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但是這應該是兩個不同型態的業務吧我們目前的國民年金有一個監理會我們現在是有一個國民年金監理會做監理的業務那另外國民年金的這個法制的部分是在社會級就是社保司社會保險司裡頭 |
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那社會保險司的業務裡面呢把有關於這個健保的法規的部分呢移回到這個健保署然後國民年金的法規的部分移到因為今天聽您這樣講我會重新再回去看當時為什麼在衛福部組織法裡面要設立國民年金局的主要的立法理由是什麼 |
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那么难道就是因为要多成立一个长照署所以就把国民年金局给删掉那么这个业务的整并有没有道理那么我这个本席还会再多进行研究但是呢就除了就是你们讲的这个要多成立两个署之外还有在这次的报告里面以及今天要审的法案本来要审的法案就是有涉及到就既有限卫福部底下一些组织要转型成为行政法人 |
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對但你要轉型成行政法人這裡面就是有沒有一些有這個組織有疊床架屋的問題譬如說前面的委員有提到叫你要新成立國家醫療評估中心那事實上國家醫療評估中心可能跟既有的本就是我們現在 |
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這個政府部門裡面有一些單位是很類似的譬如說有這個財團法人生物技術開發中心或是工研院他也有做一些醫療照顧或是新藥等等這些研究所以有沒有必要再去成立一個國家醫療評估中心在難道沒有跌床駕屋的問題嗎 |
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跟委員說明 目前在健保要考慮要不要納入給付之前都要先經過醫療科技就是HTA醫療科技的評估那目前都是委託財團法人來某一個財團法人就是我們現在是CDE醫藥品查驗中心這個財團法人來做那都等於是委託的性質那未來呢希望他有獨立性 |
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所以就剛剛有幾位委員也提到那麼以其他的國家這個是獨立性的了解了 謝謝部長因為我想就是說有沒有成立的必要這個部分的話當然就是可能衛福部有衛福部的看法但是本席更在意的是說你不管說今天要成立一個新的國家醫療評估中心或者是未來這個中醫研究所要改轉型成為國家中醫研究院那到底需要多少的公務預算來支持這些行政法人 |
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你要拼多少的预算跟委员报告就是说这两个行政他们可以做到自给自足吗这个一方面他当然也会有一些这个比如说在做医药科技评估的时候的预算那么还是会有政府的支持因为这个是健保要纳入是但是基本上不要多增加政府的预算就本席的看法就是说是你要转型成为多成立这些行政法人 |
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我也沒有太大的意見但重點是說會不會增加政府的預算支出我們現在很多的預算都要希望能夠用在刀口上不要再多增加政府的預算支出所以這個部分的話可能要請就是部長您在這裡再提供給我更仔細的一個 |
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報告就是如果依照你們現在的評估要成立這兩個中心那麼實際上要多少錢的預算來支應以及這兩個行政法人成立之後未來他們怎麼樣從哪個地方可以獲得充裕的財源來自給自足那這部分的話請部長可能 |
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兩個禮拜之內給我一份報告對於這個財務的規劃接下來我還有一個問題我也想請教部長因為剛剛其實大家也都談到高雄新衛之郎那本席其實在這裡比較關心的就是說對於他的這個主管就是上級主管新衛中心的主任 |
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還有高雄市的衛生局局長那麼以及這個督導他的妻子因為他是任職在社會局加防中心他還利用職權洩密然後查詢偵辦進度等等對於這三個人你們目前有沒有知道就是你們有沒有給他們有些懲處的機制你們有給他懲處的處分嗎這個全縣都是在地方政府 |
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全縣的部分在地方證據我們的了解呢這個殖密在8月的時候已經由這個地方政府已經把它解聘了已經停聘撤職那對於新聞中心的主任呢他的上級的主管 |
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您說 行為中心的主任啊對 我們被懲處在他們的內部上是他們內部要去做的檢討就全責的部分只是檢討而已嗎行為中心的主任還有高雄市衛生局局長衛生局局長是不是衛福部你們是他的主管機關上級機關 |
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他是這個政務官是在地方政府的權責好那所以呢對於衛生局局長行為中心主任以及在他在這個這個督導他的妻子因為他在加防中心相關目前的有沒有予以懲處的 |
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的一些作為我也希望衛福部這邊也可以給我一份資料了解知道說他們的情況是怎麼樣最後還有一題就是因為我們馬上年關將近就進入到農曆的春節那在去年的時候我們看到春節的急診室 |
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非常的庸塞病床不足那麼請問部長這邊有沒有針對馬上二月就要來臨的這個春節對於目前急診室的處理的問題還有病床數的部分衛福部有沒有新的計畫 |
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有 我们已经召开了好几次的会议那也拟定了很多的措施是那包含在这个春节的加开诊的这个鼓励还有在这个你们预计增加多少的病床数预计增加 |
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多少病床数增加应该是这样过去在年节期间医院会缩床因为这个医护人员也要休息然后有些病人也比较不会就是属于常规性的没有急迫性的大概也会选择不要到医院所以过去在年节期间大概医院的床数都是会下降的那我们目前在做的调查就是第一个开诊的调查 |
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9天的長假當中哪幾天哪些醫院診所會開診第二個床數會開多少所以這個我們目前已經都在進行調查簡單來說你們現在開診數跟病床數會不會比去年增加 |
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會 會會增加多少 多少的比例呢最後的數字還沒有出來不過什麼時候會出來什麼時候會告訴我們民眾因為每年的農曆春節正好都會遇到天氣寒冷 寒流難免生病的人數也會增加但是你剛剛說又顧及到醫護人員他們也需要放假休假但是我們還是希望在合理的範圍裡面要提高開診的診所以及病床數 |
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我們會調控啦那當然第一個比較好的這個現象是說我們的流感在去年每年的過年期間都是高峰但是今年因為我們的施打率不錯所以目前的流感還在低峰所以往後預估的話應該今年的過年期間流感的病人不會像往年那麼多這是一個比較好的預估啦 |
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只是你們預估但是有時候可能會改不上變化我這邊還是希望部長能夠盡速你們大概什麼時候什麼時候會公布你們會增加病床數我們在月底之前就會通通月底之前好 那本席期待希望你們能夠如期做到好 謝謝謝謝我也關心 |